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"I date men for the free dinners, and I don't feel bad about it"

hyorilee

November 26, 2013
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Title "I date men for the free dinners, and I don't feel bad about it"
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hyorilee

Upvotes 96
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Date November 26, 2013 2:16 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
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Comments

[–][deleted] 124 points125 points126 points 12 years ago (58 children) | Copy Link

As always, I must advice men to NOT GET ANGRY.

If you could get free dinners from bitches(and you can!) and give nothing back, you would. I know because we do it ALL THE TIME.

Ever fuck a girl and never call her again--or only call when you wanna fuck again? Of course you have. You used her for what you wanted and gave nothing back.

[–]feely341 points42 points43 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

A year or two ago reading something like this would have made me upset.

Now that I'm aware it's just female nature and what they do, I think nothing of it. Kinda like when my cat eats too much and pukes all over the floor, that's just what he does.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

yuuuuup.

hear that? that's the sound of feminists not understanding what an analogy is and thinking you're comparing women to cats in order to minimize you.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This isn't true atall. One time, I met one girl, who didn't just go out for dinner with me for a free meal.

Ergo, my experience of one nice woman is universal to all women, ergo, women aren't like this.

[–]Mooshaq 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why you're being downvoted. I thought this was a pretty funny and different way to sarcastically say NAWALT.

[–]Heuristics 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not all cats are like that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

have you ever said something about women around a woman and had one say

"not true. I DONT DO THAT"

i forgot, you are the only girl on earth who matters. female solipsism, the gift that keeps on givin.

[–]DavidTIntellectual 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Apparently we also think women are literally plates and hamsters, too! We're also basing a lifestyle theory around a 1999 movie!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait, you're telling me "spinning plates" was just a figure of speech?! I became a carnival side show act for nothing...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

reducto ad absurdum.

it's always easier to try and shame/embarrass a great man than understand him

[–]WasteAmez0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Quoting latin doens't make you a great man, I hope you know that.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pmsl. Well said though.

[–]mrpoopistan 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, unless you're unfuckably hideous, it's possible as a guy to hook a chick up as a sugar mama. Odds are you'll be the one violating the two-point rule, but if you're just looking as a matter of "hey, free lunch" it's not that hard to do.

Trailer parks are full of layabout guys mooching off of chicks in exchange for the occasional "hey babe".

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

my father did it for 20 years. anything is possible if you believe your own bullshit.

[–]thesprunk15 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. There's a part of me that gets angry over this, but at the same time, I kind of respect it. Blue pillers are going to see a visceral, hard to swallow honesty here that affirms our TRP view of the world, and it comes from the other side of the fence. I'm a bit saddened by many of the kind of "men" she'll be "courting", and that's really what triggers the anger in me. I don't necessarily agree with her world view, and certainly don't purport that it is morally sound, but that's all forgiven - even understandable - because it's the blue pill mentallity that is prevelant among men that is enabling this practice in the first place. And its that pussy whipped, white knight, blue pill bullshit that angers me. I'm not going to defend this woman, but I can't really attack her either. She gets it (mostly), and at least in the context of this post, is straight forward about it.

But the fact that us TRP'ers are in the minority gives us a substantial advantage over not just men, but everyone. Enjoy it. Exploit it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly.

the only people who get mad at the nature of women are the blue pillers who don't know what it is or how to deal with it.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Ever fuck a girl and never call her again--or only call when you wanna fuck again? Of course you have. You used her for what you wanted and gave nothing back.

You don't understand that's something you and the girl BOTH wanted though. The sex? You BOTH wanted it. The "dating men for free dinners" doesn't work nearly the same way.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Of course it does!

She fucks you because she wanted your attention and resources.

He gave her resources and attention because he wanted to fuck.

That bitch just won the fight.

[–]autoNFA 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Girls definitely enjoy just sex, though.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

if women were meant to enjoy sex the way men do then ask yourself why the clitoris is on the outside.

it is in women's nature is to gain enjoyment from pleasing, in all areas not just the bedroom. ask a woman what she's thinking during a blowjob and it's "i wonder if he's enjoying this". it's why they love when we moan or tell them they're doing a good job.

it is in women's nature to love the man who can dominate her. what's more dominating then getting fucked? you're literally entering her body and ravaging her most prized possession. why do you think so many women have rape fantasies?

so yes, women enjoy sex, but not the way we do.

[–]autoNFA 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The clitoris is on the outside because it's a developmental homologue for the penis.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

point still stands.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wonder many people here at trp share this opinion

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i hope all of them

[–]AWiseBro 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course it does!

No, it doesn't. In one scenario a person is footing the bill for someone who has no intention to return the favor. In the other scenario both people get to fuck.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You make the mistake so many other men do and think sex is the same for women as it is men.

Sex for us is as natural as breathing; for women it has a purpose.

[–]No_DOX_for_you 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't angry till I read this

"And as my gender condemns me to a lifetime of making less than the men I will date, and being only further punished if I ever decide to settle down with one of them, it makes the most ethical sense for me to use them as a conduit to this way of life."

I thought the entire article was very refreshing and forthcoming. But that line right there, is some A grade hamstering. Apathy and lack of ambition, not her 'gender' are the only things that kept her from a high paying job.

[–]RedPillScare 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

95% correct is still a A. If grading on a bell curve, she got an A+.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

typical feminism spiel.

that's level 1 stuff and easily handled.

[–]SoDark 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

As always, I must advice men to NOT GET ANGRY.

This is the right advice, but I'd take it one step further. Don't just "not get angry", accept — no, better yet — embrace the fact that this is the way it is.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with how this woman chooses to conduct herself. If this is in line with her reproductive life plan (that is, she truly intends to enjoy the SMV she has now and isn't concerned about The Wall because she has no plan of settling down with a long-term partner), then she's absolutely doing it right.

It's absurd to think that she never beds her dates. She may make it exceedingly difficult to do so, but that's just because she's running her game to the best of her ability. As a sexual human being, she most certainly would choose to take someone home now and then, just as men, the gatekeepers of commitment, may choose here and there in his life to form a bond for some length of time with someone he dates. Just as she is guarded with that which she controls — sex — so should men be guarded with that which they control — commitment. That's how the balance works, and that's what this sub is for — to develop a deeper understanding of that dynamic.

The only thing she could have done better is to sign her name to the article, so we could applaud her for having the integrity to be honest and forthcoming about herself — something we respect in others and should expect from ourselves.

Avoiding anger is the start. Developing understanding and acceptance for both men's and women's perspective on heterosexual dynamics can help this sub shake its bad reputation.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Let me be perfectly clear: There are injustices in the world to get angry about.

Be angry that the world lied to you about how it really works, setting you back for lord knows how long.

But once you accept the world for what it is, there's really nothing left to get upset about. You can handle disrespect without being angry. Anger erases logic and leaves you thinking with nothing but emotions which is not a state you want to be in.

Ever see some guy calmly knock another guy out? Shit is TERRIFYING. 99% of fights are two guys getting amped up and emotional and shit. Watching some calm, cool dude just put a guy to sleep is some life altering shit.

[–]SoDark 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Be angry that the world lied to you about how it really works, setting you back for lord knows how long. But once you accept the world for what it is, there's really nothing left to get upset about.

Amen.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's absurd to think that she never beds her dates.

Not to toot my own horn, but I've gotten text messages from girls while they were on a date to arrange to come over afterwards for sex. I once had a girl get ready for a date while at my house, having just finished fucking me. I took a picture (which I realize proves nothing, but it's like a trophy to me or something) to remind me how the world works.

I'd be willing to bet that the woman in this article doesn't have sex with any of these guys she dates. The traditional dinner date is part of courtship. It doesn't build attraction.

The guy (or guys) she has sex with are guys who picked her up and fucked her that night. Their game was tight, and she was actually attracted to them. The guys she goes on dates with are there not because she's attracted to them, but because they offered to buy dinner. Why would she have sex with them?

[–]SoDark -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because the word "never" is very, very exclusive.

In my past I've been the guy that takes a woman out who wants nothing from me other than a nice dinner and a few hours of company. And it would happen, albeit rarely in those days, that I would end up in bed with her anyway. More than one woman has told me "I can't believe I slept with you; the guys I date and the guys I sleep with are never the same guys."

I also have female friends who have a similar policy and every now and then they "break protocol" when they feel like it. Yeah, it's going against their girl game, but who runs textbook-perfect game every time?

So, if she adheres to never, she is more disciplined than most women I have known about maintaining that separation.

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I just think the idea of a hot chick not having a go-to dick is a myth. Every single girl that I know as a friend well enough for her to talk openly with me tells me she has a boy toy stashed somewhere.

That, combined with the fact that a dinner date is boring and doesn't build attraction, and the fact that letting a girl take advantage of you turns her off, makes me think it's really rare that she sleeps with any of these guys.

[–]SoDark 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, but "rare" =/= "never".

[–]Theophagist 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The only thing that angers me is that while we get shamed for such behavior, she'll get a chorus of "you go girl!"

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

and?

shame only works if you feel ashamed. wanna know why shame works on women? because their greatest fear is being exiled from the pack, to not belong. it is a fate worse than death because it means no attention and no resources. men? we cherish our time alone. we do not fear ostracism.

shame only works if bitches follow through and stop fucking you. i always tell women: if they REALLY, REALLY wanna change the world, then start fucking nice guys.

until then, their shame has no power.

[–]Theophagist 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This isn't about shame. It's about a double standard which, like all double standards, I feel obligated to challenge.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Double Standards exist and exist for a reason. Bitching about them is for feminists.

[–]Theophagist 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not even in the same conversation, first you're talking about shame then you're talking about double standards existing for "a reason". Let's get you up to speed. Someone said "don't get mad at women for being this way" and I said "I'm not, I just don't like that it's accepted behavior." And that's the conversation you completely missed the point of and hijacked.

Bitching about them is for feminists.

Please give me a list of things I'm allowed to talk about on your subreddit.

[–]ChisaiKyoku 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then she has a bunch of asshole friends.

[–]InternetFree 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Except when I have sex with a woman I go out of my way to also sexually please her while treating someone for a dinner is entirely one-sided.

The way you phrase it makes it seem like somehow women are a victim of men's sexual activities.

I never use someone in such a way. I'm rather brutally honest about the things I do. Nobody should have sex with me and regret it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My dude, you PLEASED her when you talked her into fucking you. She was wet and pleased with just the force of your personality.

If you think it's your job to also make her get off you're wrong. It's her job to satisfy you. You already did your job by getting her there.

[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ever fuck a girl and never call her again--or only call when you wanna fuck again? Of course you have. You used her for what you wanted and gave nothing back.

women enjoy sex, that's a fair trade

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like I've had to respond to this response 100 times.

YOU ENJOY ATTENTION AND TIME JUST NOT AS MUCH AS WOMEN

THEY ENJOY SEX JUST NOT AS MUCH AS US

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I hear what you're saying here, but it is fully ok to get mad.

  1. This girl knows that on some level, she is playing men. Society (consisting mostly of women and alpha males) has made it so that men are expected to pay for women on a date, be it a dinner, a movie, an ice cream or a coffee. She is taking advantage of that fact and gloating about it. She is rationalizing the short con by saying that she is owed something because of past oppression, which is basically feminism in a nutshell.

  2. She doubtless leads betas on to get them to pay for her meal. Anyone think she's fully honest with the men? FUCK NO. She is a master at the art of dissimulation and telling men what they want to hear, and fuck plausible deniability - remember that women have the prerogative to change their minds and if a man wants to hold her to her end of the bargain, well... there was no bargain. Society made it so.

  3. Try the following thought experiment - a woman says/implies to a man she'll sleep with him if he buys her dinner. He buys her dinner, and she says she doesn't want to sleep with him anymore. Will anyone force her to sleep with him?

Now take the same woman and have her be out on a date. Her date tells her to pay half and she says she doesn't have any money. Will the restaurant make her pay for her meal or will you have to cover the shortfall? What's more likely?

Society is set up in such a way to enable this con. When we fail to judge and react, we give bitches like this more carte blance to act how they please.

Girls of character don't do this stuff because they realize that they are basically one step above a whore at that point. Just like not every girl wants to be a stripper, not every girl wants to be a drinks slut.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If you think society consists of mostly alpha males you're headed way far in the wrong direction.

I'm gonna be blunt: you seem like a guy new to all this and still not entirely sure of what we do here or what we're about. We're not angry at women's natures, we're teaching men how to control and lead them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's one thing to not be mad at women's natures, it's another to not be mad when they flout society's written and unwritten rules for their own selfish benefit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

but i do it all the time...we do it every single day...

There's this growing trend among TRP where we get mad at women for besting men. Don't be mad at them, pat yourself on the back for no longer being that guy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When men flout society's rules, they're castigated. When women do it, they're encouraged or at least not punished. The last thing we need to be doing is to make excuses for women's behavior, the rest of society's doing a fine job of that.

I don't think it's a growing trend among TRP, it is basically how a functional society works - we punish the fraudster instead of laughing at the granny who signed over her savings to the smooth-talker.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who gives a shit? Do you want a medal or ribbon for being a man? The world has always and will always challenge great men. This is simply the great shit test of our times.

Who gives a shit if she flaunts it? It's actually beneficially for you for her to be upfront about it that way you don't make a mistake and date her.

[–]Manuel_S 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys go on about female nature, ethics and so on. WTF people.

We're here to learn/improve redpill for our own ends. In many cases, it is to fuck them and control them. "Girl wants a LTR? Next!" is not so rare here. I'm not apologizing for that attitude.

That one wants to do her own version of fuck'em and dump'em. All the more power to her, and I wish her success. She's taken her own redpill, and she's using it for her own purposes.

Besides, what those guys want is to take her for a ride down her pants. She wins it out of their wallet. Maybe a few will learn something.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously this.

If you had the option of either A) Paying for your life or B)Just asking some guy to do it for you and then HE DOES

Which would you chose?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yuuuuuuup.

[–]I_put_mukmuk_on_face -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Way to rise above it. This comment made my day and deserves more recognition than a single upvote can provide. Well said /u/TheeRyanGrey.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey Guys, I just want to tell you about the Red Pill Charity im a part of. As we all know girls go on OK Cupid in order to get their egos fluffed. That is why I started the OK Cupid Self Esteem Reapportionment committee. The purpose of this organization is to talk shit to women on OK Cupid for the lulz. It got me laid a couple of times for some reason.

[–]CouldntFindGudName4 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It got me laid couple of.times for some reason.

Teach me your ways. For teh lulz ofcoz.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

article I wrote on the subject: TheRedPill/comments/1qg2q3/honest_redpill_assesment_of_ok_cupid/

[–]steadymotion 39 points40 points41 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

If I was a woman, I'd do the same thing.

[–]rule_of_law 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

yea... until you start to turn about 28 or so. The problem is that you're used to going to 5 star New York dinners and getting fucked by the 1 in 30 guys who meet your standards of attraction. One thing is for certain, that lifestyle will end one day. You know what comes after that? About another 30 years minimum of hard as work at your career, single, childless, and alone. This isn't the end of the world for men; they've been told since birth that they were going to man up and work for a very long time. Women have a way out of that through marriage, and without a doubt, some will be left out, and a shit load more will FEEL left out.

[–]EarnestMalware 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, she implies not yet being 30. She seems to let on that she knows that this lifestyle has an expiration date.

[–]rule_of_law 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea... It is good that she is aware of that. Still, I wonder if she is still underestimating the severity of the transition to a different lifestyle. It's analogous to saying that your cocaine habit will have to be kicked at some point.... you could say it's not to that extent, and I would agree, but if we were to boil this down, she's getting sex with anyone she wants, and a life of luxury financed by others. Going from that to one man, who doesn't take her out that frequently, could easily be a bitter transition.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i think we all know that age quickly diminishes their looks. this is around the age when they start freaking out. i've met many in this age bracket, its sad. they realize that the club is not for them because its been taken over by hotter, younger girls, with nicer bodies, and the balls to show it off. i feel like there's more girls that are married than dating, and more singles than dating as well.

[–]steadymotion 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but I'd also do my best to land a beta provider.

I'd just adapt my strategy to whatever worked at the time. If this strategy stopped working, I'd have to come up with a new one.

[–]rule_of_law 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

fair enough. As long as the women who chose the this woman's strategy in their younger years understand that they will have to adapt to the world rather than have everyone else accommodate them.

[–]steadymotion 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If having everyone else accommodate me worked as a strategy, I would employ it remorselessly. It's their fault for being dumb.

[–]rule_of_law 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, but every member of the redpill and many others will refuse to accommodate them...

[–]XCowboyLowkesx 22 points23 points24 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"I filter my matches on OKCupid by income (and then by height, of course). If he makes under a certain amount, or doesn’t list it at all, I won’t even see his profile, and that’s probably for the best"

 In society, it is A-OK for a women to do this. Even suggested and encouraged. But if a man wants to filter out results based on size and weight, PIG. 

Remember that article where women's hamsters went postal when it was revealed that OK Cupid could let you actually do that? So many laughs were shared that day here

That article seems even more ridiculous now that I read this. I don't go on OK Cupid, but Jesus Christ, women can filter men based on income? Why don't you put a status filter in there for them while your at it. It amazes me how women feel entitled and justified when searching for men, but the moment men can filter their fat ass out, they turn into Gogeta and launch a spirit bomb proclaiming that we're misogynist pigs that 'can't handle a real women.'

And if this article stands to prove anything, it's that we were always 100% correct.

[–]yself 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys need a filter on whether the women will pay their own way. Then, we can simply ignore all the gold-diggers that waste our time playing games like we're still living in the 50's.

[–]DavidTIntellectual 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Does OKCupid even have a filter for "weight"? If not then that tells you all you need to know...

[–]ButterMyBiscuit 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Filter by body type.

[–]Exactly_what_I_think 34 points35 points36 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I treat all women as if they are the author of this article.

[–]Inexplicably_Hostile 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exacty, like it or not, human beings are competitive by nature. We each have our own goals and recognizing that other people for the most part behave selfishly is an important part of getting the most out of those around you.

[–]PrisonerOfLife 24 points25 points26 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As usual, Alpha > Omega > Beta

Omega doesn't get laid, but doesn't have to pay for shit either. Beta pays but doesn't get laid.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Despite being alphabetically out of order, I agree.

[–]likechoklit4choklit 28 points29 points30 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

How does this woman not conform to everything TRP wants? She isn't so feministy. She judges men by the values that evolutionary psychology say leads to success (wealth, height) and she fucks some of those guys, just not most of them. 80/20 perhaps....She obviously has beliefs about what a strong high quality man is for her and she sounds like she is a clear thinker.

I, personally, think she's scum, but not because she accepts free fancy dinners. This woman has a belief about entitlement that rankles me to the core. She's hoping for a "Oh your a slim chick, well then, I guess you deserve to be on the arm of a successful rich man."

A lot of the examples of shitty women I see on TRP are sweet college girls who don't know shit and cant navigate the new world that has been thrust upon us, while re-runs of the world-that-was still try to train us. They are no different than college aged meatheads or hipsters, just girly versions of them. The woman in the article deserves way more derision than those youthful girls who are running on some autopilot of unexamined existence. She has examined shit, and has decided that obviously she deserves the best.

[–]BayerischeMotoren 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's made a rational choice. She wants to be wined and dined at the finest restaurants and there are plenty of chumps who are more than happy to oblige. This is just the way the game is played these days.

I'll bet that a lot of us simply want to sample the finest pussy available and we're willing to use whatever tools we have at our disposal towards that end. I'm more than happy to pump and dump these broads just as they'll shamelessly have fun on my dime.

Of course, I'm not stupid enough to pay for these extravagant first dates. I take into account opportunity costs; the money I'd spend satisfying this girl's expensive tastes could be better spent on scoring multiple lays from equally attractive women.

Whereas this girl uses the lure of her body to open up chumps' wallets, we can dangle our success in her face to open up those legs.

[–]rule_of_law 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of guys in this part of New York will benefit from being seen out and about with a hot chick, regardless of getting laid. Maybe some of these guys have ulterior motives. Actually, it would be my goal to pretend as if she were just an escort to make me look like some sort of Don Juan. This would make her vie for my attention.

[–]no_game_player 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I, personally, think she's scum, but not because she accepts free fancy dinners. This woman has a belief about entitlement that rankles me to the core. She's hoping for a "Oh your a slim chick, well then, I guess you deserve to be on the arm of a successful rich man."

Well I think you captured a big part of your question without realizing it.

Generally speaking, TRP is more descriptive than prescriptive. Without reading the article, this woman conforms to the expected behavior predicted here. That doesn't necessarily mean it is a particularly desirable or attractive trait to most of the men here...

Edit:

She has examined shit, and has decided that obviously she deserves the best.

Like for me, that's a valuable trait. But that part is just personal preference. It has nothing to do with TRP or not.

But, say, from a game theory perspective, I'd say one of my fundamental assumptions is that people want the "best" (as they see it) for themselves.

[–]EarnestMalware 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She has examined shit, and has decided that obviously she deserves the best.

Part of what's at play here is the economic adage: "Anything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." She knows she is worth Michelin star dinners because she has been valued at Michelin star dinner worthy by x number of chumps.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What happens when she takes out a RP man and he wants to split the bill?

[–]Exactly_what_I_think 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Erin Wotherspoon Serial Dating For Free Restaurant Meals

More of her blog entries describe pretending to be Jewish to land a date on J Date (a Jewish dating site) and a time someone asked her to split the bill. After spending her own money, Wotherspoon even added she would probably stick to dating guys who are "fresh off the boat and literally have no friend based established in the country yet."


This is why the first date is coffee or drinks. You get there first and have drink in hand.

Don't ever feel bad for ditching some helpless priceless because she forgot her purse. Even if she dines and dashes trying to stick you with the bill refuse to pay for her.

[–]yself 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I simply let her know before the date that I don't pay for her way. For online dating, I put it in my profile, and while arranging for the date, I ask if she read that part. It saves me from wasting my energy on wild goose chases. I know at the front end of the date that she's there without ulterior motives, because she's paying her own way.

[–]Exactly_what_I_think 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To each his own.

Personally I just minimize my possible wasted effort by only going some place I will enjoy with or w/o her. And never on a first date.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

"I Date Men For The Free Dinners, And I Don’t Feel Bad About It"
Your ego is through the roof though.

"but you’d be surprised at how many men prefer the look of a smaller, natural, shapely breast."
Yeah, females pretty much invented that stereotype.

"What do I date them for? As the title suggests, it’s often dinner."
Please, please keep making articles. Youre arming me with kicking toys to use against other fascists.

"There is a life that I want to be a part of, and not because of who frequents it, but because of the visceral pleasure it provides."
You cant be without ripping some guy off. This pleases me greatly. Youll never have your dream.

"My job is good, but not good enough to provide this for myself. I enjoy what I do, and I’m good at it, but in my lifetime I doubt I’ll ever go much over 150k a year."
Poor princess.

"With my own money, I can have my apartment and my personal luxuries."
See, this is the thing. You could afford all this shit if you didnt somehow manage to not have money left over from your 'personal luxuries'.

"And as my gender condemns me to a lifetime of making less than the men I will date,"
Wrong. Get better at your job and youll get better promotions. Whats the matter, isnt it in your stupid magazines? Its all meant to be delivered on a platter? Id be happy with 50k a year, but i dont have a cunt. (Yes, 50. As opposed to your mere measly 150)

Yeah, im done reading this. This is blather.

[–]no_game_player 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Id be happy with 50k a year, but i dont have a cunt.

Not to go too far afield...okay, yes, on a complete tangent from the article: If you've got the mindset for programming[/other IT & such] and the willingness to put up with office environments, 50k+ is "easy" with a 40 in a cube.

The tricky part is living a life getting the 50+ but I think that's doable (I hope so for my future...).

Alternately, another math + cube but actuary is buckets of money. Biggest downside people mention is sheer boredom.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My only problem is getting someone to accept my resumes without a long list of past work experiences.

Incidentally kids, if you go and get any kind of degrees or certificates, get a fucking part time job while youre at it or something.

As for the living a life on it part, im getting by on less as it is. I just dont like whining about it.

I was just being reactive to her complaining about 'only' making 150+ a year.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm getting a certificate, and currently have a part time job. Winning? well, we'll see, I have an interview in my field a week from today... Personally, I'd LOVE a low paying job in my field if it meant i had a studio apartment and could afford not living with my parents. Step: 1: don't live with your parents... If I could live alone regardless of my job title i think i could actually play the "game." I feel like i can't even play when I'm living with my parents...

...drunk ramblings after a MNF WIN

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hope it works out for ya!

[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My only problem is getting someone to accept my resumes without a long list of past work experiences.

As a programmer? Github is your resume. A little work experience is still necessary just to get you past HR, but once your name is in the hands of a geek, they're going to google you. Have examples of your work on github for them to find.

Good luck!

[–]no_game_player 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotcha. Agreed.

[–]through_a_ways 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

"but you’d be surprised at how many men prefer the look of a smaller, natural, shapely breast." Yeah, females pretty much invented that stereotype.

I like small (B cup) breasts and big bottoms, not sure how common this preference is.

"With my own money, I can have my apartment and my personal luxuries." See, this is the thing. You could afford all this shit if you didnt somehow manage to not have money left over from >your 'personal luxuries'.

My guess is that she lives in some Manhattan apartment that costs her 90k a year for rent, lol. So it's probably more like her apartment is a personal luxury.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Small breasts are easier to yank.

Thats... an interesting apartment.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

See, I think this only makes sense. The girl knows what she wants, and knows how to apply a strategy in real life to get what she wants. And she's honest about it. She understands that the way things are can be frustrating at times, but we can't just wish it better, we have to adapt.

I respect this, though obviously it's a bit frustrating for me. I wish people could see stuff like this whenever they criticize TRP.

Also, who the fuck wants dinner that badly? I'd rather not put in the effort.

[–]ProductivityMonster 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not about the dinner to her. Despite what she says about wanting to afford luxury herself, she still gets pleasure primarily from having others pay for her. I bet you even if she were rich as hell she'd still be out trying to prey on unsuspecting betas.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I can definitely see it. I dunno if I'd call it preying though, just leading on. Men do the equivalent sometimes when we have sex with girls and we know they want more.

[–]imhighnotdumb -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd call it preying. Knew a girl who was filthy rich (daddy owns a shoe company in Italy) yet she was doing the whole Sugar Daddy thing and it was definitely preying. Oh the poor sods... At the same time, I got her to pay for my drinks and food when we were out and fucked her like a filthy slut. Too bad it didn't last (I didn't know about TRP at the time and lost my frame).

[–]pounds_not_dollars 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I date women for sex... and I don't feel bad about it.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, the men let themselves get used. Am I supposed to be feel sorry for them?

[–]fruitofmyloom 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And as my gender condemns me to a lifetime of making less than the men I will date, and being only further punished if I ever decide to settle down with one of them, it makes the most ethical sense for me to use them as a conduit to this way of life.
...
Eventually, I will settle down, I’m sure of it.

[–]MahlerNinth 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't really get upset reading this. Once in my bp days, I might have felt bad, but the sort of guys who will take such women out to Michelin starred places and insist on picking up the tab just because they imagine it adds an extra 0.05% to their chance of screwing her ultimately deserve what they get for such pathetic behavior.

And this is another reason I'm glad for TRP. I'm sure the rest of reddit will never get tired of telling us this is a place for misogynistic assholes who live in their mother's basements and have small dicks, but before I found this place a while ago, I was one of the saps behaving like the idiots she's making fun of here.

[–]PlusGoody 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are there really guys who would take a woman to a Michelin-starred restaurant without some very serious evidence of reciprocal interest? I've never heard of this and I've known some extremely blah dudes with extremely high ambitions in women who would totally do this if it were a thing to be done.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, at least she's honest about her motivations, which is more than can be said for the vast majority of them.

[–]benczi 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women, who actually look good, they look good by choice, and work and sweat. They understand that we as men will look at their bodies and judge them. (If she can't take care of her own body, how will she take care of mine?) I have seen dating sites, don't use them really since they are not mainstream where I live, but let me make one point perfectly clear, this girl is right, the first thing we as men look at are the pictures. If the girl in the picture isn't attractive, why even bother reading about her personality? The filters are there to make our browsing easier. Nothing more, nothing less. She has already decided the kind of man she wants to meet. Any real man should also have a clear picture of the kind of girl he wants to meet.

This girl gets it. She gets how things are working today. She gets that she has an opportunity that most other girls just don't even see, or refuse to acknowledge, or just aren't qualified for it. Why would anyone be angry at her for using her resources to the maximum of her abilities?

[–]mydarkmeatrises 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't worry, she'll age and the pool of men she doesn't "feel bad" for using will dwindle.

[–]Makes_U_Mad 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But what will she do when she hits the wall? I doubt very seriously that she will be able to find a 6'+ $100k+ beta. Might be interesting to see how the hamstering starts.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is going to be a vicious Wile E Coyote coming for this brazen little player.

Before she knows it she's going to turn into this.

Anyone remember Lady Miss Kier from Dee-Lite? Everyone's favorite club kid from the 90s. She's fifty now, fat and alone. Back in the day she was super hot and the seas parted for her when she shook her ass, but now she's a cartoon character trying to get attention at gay pride parades.

Shit happens you know? This woman is too busy patting herself on the back about the lifestyle she's conning out of her male suitors, but the problem is she's going to blink, turn 40 and nobody is going to give her shit.

[–]cossackman 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with her plan is that most guys on online dating websites are usually unemployed or low income - someone who is hypothetically making a lot of money is persumably a hard worker who doesn't have time to waste on online dating websites.

ONline dating websites do take a lot of them. I used to screw around with them but realized it took 5 minutes to read a profile, another 5 minutes to send a message and it ends up being time wasted if you never hear back.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I use the bathroom on crazy bitches and disappear leaving them with the check, and mate.... my hand

[–]ajswdf 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let's be honest, most guys would do the same exact thing if given the opportunity. I've told my female friends before that they should take full advantage of their looks. If people will buy you free shit, let them.

My girlfriend's kind of like this too. In our relationship we split stuff 50/50, but her plan is to marry a rich guy when she's 28. I asked her if she would cheat on her beta husband for somebody she found actually attractive and she said "No, why would I want to risk my money?"

EDIT: Is there an example of a beta husband staying with his wife despite her cheating on him? I'm sure there's plenty of examples out there. I'm not sure why, but I feel like helping my girlfriend get as much out of her future ex-husband as possible.

[–]ProductivityMonster 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

what a ruthless bitch...the main reason she wants to marry is for money. Good luck with that one.

[–]ajswdf 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If a guy is willing to buy her stuff, why not take it?

[–]tomganks 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If your first instinct when reading this was to feel pity for these betas for being such chumps instead of resenting this woman for getting free dinners, you've swallowed the pill.

[–]mydarkmeatrises 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, when a man decides that he wants to use you for sex, then you shouldn't "feel bad about it".

[–]through_a_ways 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

social value

The author and one of the comments are confusing "social value" for "sexual value".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any of her dates could insist that the check be split. They pay for the possibility of more than dinner. It just so happens that the deck is loaded against them without their knowledge.

Ever buy an album that was crap except for one song, or pay someone to do a job that did shoddy work? Same thing. Caveat emptor applies to the dating world no less than the marketplace for goods and services.

Plenty of times I've had a check split on a date when the girl seemed cordial but not terribly into me. Usually I'll offer to get drinks at the next place in case I was misapprehending her interest level.

If you don't want to get taken for free dinners, don't pay for her dinner. It's just that simple. Sometimes a guy can't get a clear read as to whether she's interested in a sexual connection with him. If he still wants to roll the dice by paying for dinner to see if her gratefulness is going to include sex, he should go right ahead and roll the dice. Don't whine if you don't get what you hoped for. That's just how dating works. Don't like it? Don't date.

[–]JohnPeel 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Caveat emptor - buyer beware.

[–]mybudwin 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I respect the honesty and think she would make a good friend/wingwoman. She knows her shit stinks and isn't afraid to smell it; the dark triad in female form. A pat on the back goes to the alpha that attempts to tame that.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Easy fix: Don't pay for women.

It's your fault if you get used by women, because you allow it to happen. They're only preying on the weak.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

tl;dr: "I like beta bucks"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The part that really made me angry was how she blamed men for the fact that she's not rich.

[–]BoyMeetsHarem 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm torn between pitying the poor saps she's taking advantage of and wishing her to get rectal cancer.

But the second thing is really just my baggage and I expect it to go away in the next year with some consistent reflection over how things really are.

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