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Woman who has lived as a man for 18 months say that being a woman "is more of a privilege"

Harsh-Noise

September 18, 2013
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Title Woman who has lived as a man for 18 months say that being a woman "is more of a privilege"
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Harsh-Noise

Upvotes 482
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Date September 18, 2013 10:12 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]Harsh-Noise186 points 12 years ago [recovered] (23 children) | Copy Link

"She was surprised that many women had no interest in a soft, vulnerable man."

""My prejudice was that the ideal man is a woman in a man's body. And I learned, no, that's really not. There are a lot of women out there who really want a manly man, and they want his stoicism," she said."

Pure red pill

[–]mctoasterson 83 points84 points85 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

TL;DR - If you ignore biology and rely on a woman to categorically tell you what other women want, you're gonna have a bad time.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 48 points49 points50 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I think we have categorically given this a phrase.

"When fishing you dont ask the fish for advice you ask the fisherman"

[–]thecajunone 22 points23 points24 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And yet every top post in advice giving threads start with. "As a girl/woman...". When will the betas ever learn?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand this. Are you saying women don't want you to get (catch) a woman?

[–]CyricYourGod 29 points30 points31 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it means fish don't understand the meta of fishing (only the meta of eating which is an emotional process). Many women and many men emotionally cling to the modern Hollywood image of love and female empowerment and give advice based on those emotions because it "feels" like it should feel good. Women give advice based on the misconceptions of depictions of perfect relationships. People rarely, if ever, remember what works for them because relationships are often irrational and emotional so the truth blends quite easily with self-fabrications. I have no doubt women think they're telling the God-honest-truth when giving relationship advice.

Fishermen aren't often blindly connected to the fishing experience, they know what works and can repeat their successes. They know what the fish actually eat, not what the fish "feel like" they should be fed.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No it's basically a metaphor. The fish does not know what it wants or cant communicate what it wants. The fisherman knows what the fish wants (worm, floater, sinker, lure, etc...).

Or you could take it as a fish wont tell you what they want because they dont want to be caught. Either way it is an analogy that works. Women dont really know what they want. They say one thing and do another. Otherwise there wouldnt be a bunch of angry frustrated beta males out there with 2 or 3 divorces under their belts.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I often read complaints about mothers giving incorrect dating advice (see: this thread). If she's a mom and she's not divorced, surely she is a caught fish who can recall and explain what attracted her?

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope... You are missing the point. It may be cliche but women dont know what they want. They THINK they know what they want but they dont want what they think they want.

If you ask your mother she may say like 'oh he was funny' or 'he played football' or whatever... The real reasons are probably boil down to the following

  • Looks - Muscles get women (most guys you see getting the babes arent ugly unless...)
  • Provider - Provides protection and material resources (If he's rich as fuck women will place less emphasis on looks)
  • Confidence - Because alpha men have tons of it. (If you have confidence more emphasis is put on this than the first two unless you are super rich like pulling a 7 figure salary or something)

[–]3trplurker 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude I just reread chapter 7 and woah, that entire chapter is full of RP knowledge. I firmly believe the male perspective of RP being forced upon her by experience is what shattered her sanity. Just imagine an ultra feminist having a male persona who felt the misandry and pains that the ultra feminist herself helped create. The only way for her to be sane was to completely discard the male psyche she had created and solidly reconstitute her solipsism.

[–]VaginalAssaultRifles 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Notice that no feminist has ever had the courage tried to reproduce her results.

[–]cagethepepper47 points 12 years ago [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Yet the media and people (mothers, mostly) communicate that women want a gentle man.

This is any proof if any. I wonder what these women would say if the roles were reversed. As the author says, the power is completely on the women's side on the pickup side of things.

[–]FortunateBum 32 points33 points34 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only way to get through life, I've found, is to completely disregard the literal meaning of anything that comes out of a woman's mouth.

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[–]Vanity_Shmamity -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk... I have just as much success with women being the cocky arrogant asshole as I do playing the stoic benevolent mystery man. Only, the cocky arrogant braggart is who I really am lol.

[–]iphone_-1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

too bad

[–]Vanity_Shmamity 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh... You can change to be who everyone wants you to be. Or you can capitalize on what makes you, you.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The women who want me sure as hell dont want a gentle fucking.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm starting to notice the same.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Last night's romp was anything but gentle. I've had a self imposed dry spell for almost two months, because I just didnt care. She wanted it rough and really got off on being controlled.

It took me a while to realize why some came back for more and others didnt, and the ones that didnt were the ones I treated like a self powered fleshlight, a warm place to jack off. They like being used, told what to do, treated like a slut (even if they have only been with you) and ridden like a carnival ride.

When I didnt give a damn about them, I would just fuck them the way I wanted to, not how I thought they wanted it. Hate fuck a bitch and she is putty in your hand.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hate fuck a bitch and she is putty in your hand

Words to pass down the generations

[–]Vanity_Shmamity 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women want gentle men, so they can trample all over them. That's all there is to it. Then, one day, they're in their 30's and realize they want a real man. Only the real men don't fuck around with middle aged hags who wised up too late.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo!

[–]orographic 72 points73 points74 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

There was an srs thread about this once and they seriously said she didn't come to the "correct conclusions"

[–]3trplurker 58 points59 points60 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Feminism in general rejects her now. Talk to a feminist and they'll rationalize away everything Norah wrote about. The ultimate shit test "patriarchy hurts men too".

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The collective hamster spinning that day could have powered the city of New York, I bet.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How can a system created to benefit Men in every way , by motherfucking Men, hurt its own creator, MEN.

[–]moxlas 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like the Matrix, where man-made object made the man into an object. The machines which were created for the benefit of the humankind, became the ones benefiting from it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some men she met found it frustrating to have to be the provider and always man up.

[–]Jovianmoons 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The saddest thing is that its really humans at their worst that ruins it for everyone. Men and women are alike only in the worst ways: A corrupt love of power over others.

[–]3trplurker 227 points228 points229 points 12 years ago* (40 children) | Copy Link

Haha I actually own this book. This women is an extreme liberal feminist who decided to write a book on "being a man". The experience was so shocking and her cogitative dissonance so strong that it (quite literally) drove her insane. Her hamster spun so fast that the wheel actually broke. Not making this up, Norah Vincent committed herself to a psychiatric institute after her "male" experience.

Reading the book you can see her horrible prejudice and bigotry and over the course of the book (she wrote it as a diary originally) you can see it melt away and he mind start to unravel. So much of her previous self identity was locked on her wrong feminist notions that once reality set in her mind couldn't take it. Her fake male persona "Ned" started to actually have negative emotions towards female rejection (the dating chapter was funny as hell) and couldn't get anyone to go out on a date. He had to resort to internet dating and long poetic emails and his result was dates only with post-wall self-centered women. He was forced to witness women's shallowness and solipsism firsthand and it shocked him out of his blue pill ways. Visiting male support groups and hearing us talk about our fears of divorce rape, losing our children and constantly being told to "man up".

She was so close to understanding but ultimately her hamster wouldn't let her, instead she concluded "patriarchy hurts men too" rather then accept men and women are fundamentally different.

This is the book that made me start researching PUA / Game that ultimately lead me to TRP.

-=Edit=- Spelling / ect..

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter 60 points61 points62 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I have been aware of this book for years, but I had no idea she was committed to a loony bin afterwards lol...

>Result: Reality differs from feminist expectations >Fatal Error: Hamster broken! >Initiating Hamster repair system: Psychiatric ward >Reindoctrination completed 

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I've often considered the possibility that psychiatry and clinical/counseling psychology, given that they reflect society's prejudices rather than steering them with science, are nothing but the practice of "hamster repair".

[–]JohnPeel 39 points40 points41 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Psychiatry for women = ego repair

Psychiatry for men = enforcing personal responsibility

This is essentially what psychiatrists are taught.

[–]Vanity_Shmamity 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit. I went to couples counseling once (about 5 yrs ago). And that is literally the most simplified yet 100% correct description of the way she handled both of us.

Me being me, I had good fun with her regardless.

[–]Endorsed ContributorTDCRedPill 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They can steer with science, but where else are they going to steer them towards if facing reality led them to psychiatry and depression in the first place?

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By "them", I mean society's prejudices, not individual people.

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[–]FRSTKZ -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When I would find posts in different subs about OP being depressed I would tell them to get psychological help. Now that I'm RP I hesitate to tell people to go get their minds broken. I no longer give advice that involves therapists.

[–]harbo 23 points24 points25 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

connotative dissonance

ITYM "cognitive dissonance"

[–]3trplurker 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fixed it thanks. Spellchecker, you fail me yet again.

[–]pcadrian24 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

Norah Vincent committed herself to a psychiatric institute after her "male" experience

Yes, I heard about that too. I've been considering getting that book. Do you think it's worth it?

[–]3trplurker 42 points43 points44 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Definitely worth it. It's proof positive of women's solipsism and how feminists are completely wrong about men and male privileged. Any feminist anywhere that pulls "but but PENIS!" can be stopped dead with what's in that book. One of their own super radical feminist lesbians (dyke actually) goes insane from her experiences as a man. Ned was 100% accepted into male social groups as a man, a queer man, but still a man.

[–]kratol2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

So is it a good idea to give this book to women in general? Girls your dating too?

[–]3trplurker 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, most women are not ultra liberal feminists and their hamsters won't be nearly as strong as this women's. Just reading through it would shift their world view due to sheer amount of emotion the author communicates with. She didn't just dress up as a male or act as a male she created an entirely new persona and assumed it completely, after awhile it became who she was. Mentally she started assuming male qualities and male perspective but without being equipped biologically to deal with that.

A somewhat normal women reading it would conclude that men have our own set of issues we deal with, we just don't talk about them. It'll make them think twice about pulling out the victim card.

[–]Clauderoughly -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Just reading through it would shift their world view due to sheer amount of emotion the author communicates with.

No, it won't.

They are feminists, they'll just hamster it away like everything else that conflicts with their world view

Feminists are mentally ill.

[–]3trplurker 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

See this is the problem here, you didn't actually read what I wrote and instead responded to a facsimile of what I wrote.

Yes, most women are not ultra liberal feminists and their hamsters won't be nearly as strong as this women's.

The very first sentence articulates that the target audience is not feminists but instead ordinary women.

[–]Ykvar -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I must say your username is misleading, you are no longer a lurker my dear sir.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude she went crazy while writing it, worth it on that alone.

[–]Modredpillschool 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it's one of the books I read on my path to the red pill.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

patriarchy hurts men too

The thing men made to keep women down also hurts the men! Makes perfect sense.

[–]Ididerus 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is some truth to that statement, "patriarchy" being representative of the "establishment" as we know it. Many men have been and continue to suffer under its effects. Resources are unevenly distributed and the lower orders of society live a much bleaker existence because of it being so.

The feminists would have you believe that with the end of male domination of power, a new egalitarian enlightenment shall touch humankind and no one would want for anything, greed would end, flowers will bloom year-round and we will dare wear naught but togas. Harp music will fill the air, fragrant wine shall flow from the ground, packs of cigarettes will cost twenty-five cents again. You get the idea.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Many men have been and continue to suffer under its effects.

Then it shouldn't be the "patriarchy"

Then men not part of the patriarchy club shouldn't be the target of feminists, but they all are.

But then again, the patriarchy isn't even real.

[–]Apemazzle 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

from wiki:

Patriarchy (rule by fathers) is a social system in which the male is the primary authority figure central to social organization and the central roles of political leadership, moral authority, and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. The female equivalent is matriarchy.

Patriarchy is not "The thing men made to keep women down", it's just the name for a societal structure where men have all the power.

edit: Some dumbass feminists may refer to patriarchy as "the thing men made to keep women down", but that's not what patriarchy actually is

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

edit: Some dumbass feminists may refer to patriarchy as "the thing men made to keep women down", but that's not what patriarchy actually is

I'm aware, I'm just using it under the dumbass feminist context.

[–]Apemazzle 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah fair 'nuff.

[–]Hormander 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The hamster is always stronger at the end.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No the hamster dont get any stronger... They just build a stronger wheel for it.

[–]duckbillphil 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The books:

Self-Made Man: One Woman's Year Disguised as a Man

Voluntary Madness: Lost and Found in the Mental Healthcare System

[–]Apemazzle 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

she concluded "patriarchy hurts men too" rather then accept men and women are fundamentally different.

Quote from the article, : "I found out that gender lives in your brain and is something much more than costume. And I really learned that the hard way"

It sounds like she did realise that, man.

[–]3trplurker 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When you read the actual book you can see her do some serious hamstering at the end. It's pretty clear she wrote the final parts of chapter 7 and the whole of chapter 8 after she'd been "fixed" cause before that you can see she's confused and has a serious personal conflict raging in her.

She actually goes on to state that gender is more more serious then race, ethnicity or group membership and is most likely rooted deep within the brain quite possibly with biochemistry. But then she immediately returns to the feminist party line that "gender roles" were evil and oppressive and that they hurt men just as much as women.

Essentially she admits that gender is a central part of our identity and can't be changed while ignoring the fact that certain roles evolved out of each genders specialization vs them just being part of some evil "system". So her solution was to completely absolve everyone of gender roles so that no male would feel ashamed to express their emotions and basically behave like women.

The key part she missed was that sex is one of the highest needs of a male and that we are biologically programmed to put great effort into seeking it out. Access to pussy is a central part of a man's self identity and it's the women who control that access. Thus "gender roles" are actually enforced by the female part of the species via their control over sex.

[–]Apemazzle 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She actually goes on to state that gender is more more serious then race, ethnicity or group membership and is most likely rooted deep within the brain quite possibly with biochemistry. But then she immediately returns to the feminist party line that "gender roles" were evil and oppressive and that they hurt men just as much as women.

Dude, that's not a contradiction! Gender roles do hurt men, in the ways that she described (inner turmoil from having to suppress emotions etc.) You are basically assuming that because men and women are different, gender roles (i.e. culture) are perfectly suited to those differences. Kind of a big leap, don't you think? Human culture includes loads of crazy, stupid shit that we only do because it's tradition, like fucking neck rings. Why should "gender roles" be immune to the same effects as the rest of human culture? Ffs, "gender roles" used to include things like, "women shouldn't go to university" - is that backed up by an innate gender difference, "rooted deep within the brain"? No, of course not.

The key part she missed was that sex is one of the highest needs of a male and that we are biologically programmed to put great effort into seeking it out.

What about this: "I really ran smack up against the difference between male and female sexuality. It's that female sexuality is mental. ... For a man, it's an urge... At its core, it's a bodily function. It's a necessity. It's such a powerful drive and I think because we [women] don't have testosterone in our systems, we don't understand how hard it is"

and this: "She was quickly reminded that in this arena, it's women who have the power, she said.

"In fact, we sit there and we just with one word, 'no,' will crush someone," she said. "We don't have to do the part where you cross the room and you go up to a stranger that you've never met in the middle of a room full of people and say the first words. And those first words are so hard to say without sounding like a cheeseball or sounding like a jerk.""

and this: "I like it [being a woman] more now because I think it's more of a privilege."

I'd like to see an actual example of this alleged hamstering, because from what I can see (which is just this article) most of what she says is very reasonable.

[–]3trplurker 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Read the fucking book not an article with choice quotes, cause I just finished rereading chapters 7 and 8 last night.

Throughout the entire book you can see the war in her own brain, one moment she'd mention seeing and experiencing these moments of male vulnerability and society's refusal to acknowledge male obligation, then the next she's rationalizing it away as "patriarchy hurts men too" bullshit. It becomes more and more distorted until at the very end she has a completely break and starts talking about how she wants guys to cut her with knives to alleviate all the guilt. She then slides into talking about how guys and girls experience and relate to pain differently, how males see pain as something external to be endured and as something to protect women from while females see it as internal and something that happens naturally. She starts having these fantasy's about Paul (the alpha of the men's support group) cutting her and inflicting pain on her as restitution for her deception.

Her mind cracked because you can't hold two opposing idea's to be true simultaneously. Her feminist foundation held that her experiences as a man could not exist yet her experiences as a man held that they did exist and that her feminist prejudices, that her entire female identity was based on, were wrong. Ned could no longer accept the existence of Norah and Norah could no longer accept the experiences of Ned. Took her several months of staying at home to dissolve Ned and reconstitute her feminist foundation.

[–]euneaux 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like if's worth reading. Anybody ever get the ebook?

[–]3trplurker 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Get the paperback. It makes for handy referencing if you ever need to see a women's hamster in effect or need real world examples of female privilege / male obligation. Also makes for an amazing conversation piece, useful as a prop during seduction and building rapport / comfort.

[–]euneaux 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

My gypsy life style means I move so much, that I decided last year to try to never buy books again. In the last three years I've moved 7 times. Last time I just left all my bookcases and thousands of dollars of books behind as well as lots of other things. I'll be moving again in the next 6 months.

So I've found new appreciation for the library. Borrowing beats buying also, because I rarely read something again. The only problem with e-books is that they are a bit harder to loan to others, but I've found out technical measures to make it possible and I don't have to worry so much about them being returned.

I usually also like to be able to borrow ebooks from the library. I just found this one at both one of the local free public libraries where I'm a member as well as at various ebook stores that sell format compatible with my devices.

[–]MegMartinson 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://1dollarscan.com/

Scan your books to .PDF cheap: at 200 pages for $1.00 (US).

Better than abandoning a large personal library

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

post-wall

What does this mean?

[–]3trplurker 23 points24 points25 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Read the sidebar on terms.

"The Wall" is what happens to a females mate selection options around as she approach's 30. A women's beauty and sexuality are what primary attract male attention, men are the initiating sex and so females compete with each other for male attention. That same beauty and sexuality will decline as she ages, at 28 she has less options then she did at 22, at 32 she'll have less then at 28 and at 45 she'll have practically no options at all. See men will give sex easily but high status males (low status males simply don't exist to women) will withhold commitment and excess amounts of time. That same 33yo who may enter into a FWB / casual relationship with the 32yo won't be proposing or otherwise spending tons of time with her, if he can do so to a 22yo instead.

So when a women is "post-wall", she's passed that 28~32 range and has become desperate and will settle on a male she deems is less valuable. Post-wall women are where beta males get divorce ass raped.

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[–]slfnflctd 33 points34 points35 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, when you think you've figured the world out and have all the answers and then find out that you were dead wrong, it tends to have a negative effect on your mind. I expect it eventually happens to everyone who attempts to value the truth more than their ego. What separates the truly wise from the rest is the determination to continue on that path even after it hurts you.

[–]3trplurker 60 points61 points62 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's more that her central ego / persona as a liberal feminist was built around a bunch of bullshit. When she "became" Ned she didn't just dress up, she literally convinced herself she was "male" and took on an entire male identity. Reading her book I see it as a form of split personality, Norah was unable to rationalize around what Ned was experiencing. Basically she had male obligation thrust upon her and everyone treated her as a male instead of giving her the typical female privilege. She could no longer mentally use the victim status to get around the things she had done and said. She went in thinking all men were these bigoted brutish pigs and saw that the true pig was herself.

Essentially she looked into the mirror and the mirror looked back.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's possible, but still only speculation.

[–]I-skid-on-your-grave -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sounds like what happens during a bad acid trip...

[–]Offensive_Brute 26 points27 points28 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

checking into a mental hospital has been a right of passage for feminists since feminism became a thing. The people who are prone to feminism are mentally unstable.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They're also prone to cats and horses.

[–]Offensive_Brute 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Cats and horses aren't bad if you live in the country. my cats are Rat/Mice control, and lots of my neighbors have horses. I've often thought of getting a goat to keep the grass low.

[–]RedPillScare 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Putting animals to work is manly! Keeping cats for company is typically not.

[–]Offensive_Brute 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

selfish bastards. maybe thats why women and weak men like them so much.Cats are alpha as fuck.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most women I have known are mentally unstable, far more than the whacked out men I have met who usually have gotten that way through trauma rather than just existing.

[–]I-skid-on-your-grave 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Slightly relevant: I talked to one of my long time friends recently and he asks me :"So what happened to that girl? The crazy one."

Me:Monica?

Him:No the other one..

Me: Stephanie?

Him: no...

Me: The other Monica?

Him: No the other one!

Me: Frida?

Him: There ya go that one!! Man you have a thing for crazy ones...

Me: <Motherfucking Epiphany Dawns On Me> I think they are just all crazy bro... Frida finally got medicated though.

[–]veggie_girl 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it."

[–]Nitzi 52 points53 points54 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

thats from 2006

she checked her privilege

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, except I do not need nor want her sympathy. Sympathy is what you give to those who are beneath you, empathy is what you have for equals or those who are above you.

[–]Offensive_Brute 65 points66 points67 points 12 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

We're not allowed, we're not comfortable...

No we dont want to express ourselves the way women express themselves. Its not that we dont feel comfortable because society doesn't allow it, its because this is not the way of men. We dont feel comfortable, because its not natural behavior. Group therapy for men should consist of some light construction followed by hunting and butchering an animal. Not sitting in a circle yakking.

[–]3trplurker 28 points29 points30 points 12 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

Well it was a MRA meeting, mostly of married men complaining about how their wives treated them. We know the truth here but those still plugged in are still trying to play by the system's rules.

Hilarious thing is, chapter 7 page 229 is when she joins the MRA and they end up doing a "male bonding" experience. They actually spend the weekend outdoors on a retreat and do exactly what you just said, using sharp tools and roasting local wildlife.

This last part is where his sanity finally shatters. The alpha male of the group is Paul and he screams "Alpha / RP" in all his actions. It's funny to read it from Norah's PoV because you can tell she's being drawn to him and is feeling that primal fear that all females get of natural alphas.

Norah: I was afraid of him. He was a powerful-looking man, probably in his late fifties. No taller then five feet nine, but heavy, with solid arms, large hands and a sizable paunch, which he wore like a sumo, as if it would be an asset in a fight, not a liability. He probably couldn't move very fast, but he looked as if he could crush you with a single blow. He had the bloated, toughened face of an Irish boxer or a corrupt old-world cop, and his whole head, woolly with russet graying hair, looked like a wad of scar tissue.

She then goes on about how he fascinates her and blah blah.

Quote from him during a lecture / speech about respecting other males ego's.

Paul: "Someone said about me recently, 'Paul thinks he's the center of the universe,' and I say if you're not the center of the universe there's something wrong. You are the center of your universe, because if you're not, who is?

Paul: "When you look another man in the eye it means one of two things. What?"

Ned: "I want to fuck you or I want to kill you"

That chapter really blew her brain open, it's where she finally had to accept that everything she thought about men was wrong. Especially about Paul whom she thought was this super misogynistic pig but turned out entirely different.

[–]Offensive_Brute 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

did you mess up the dialogue at the bottom? or is that howit goes cause its kinda confusing the way it is.

[–]3trplurker 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

That's how it goes haha. Norah basically kept a diary every day of Ned's interactions and how they made him feel. It wasn't until later that she actually penned the book while using her diary as a reference. She tried to write it in chronological order though each chapter represents a different aspect of masculinity she had to understand and absorb. That last part was her writing about a lecture that Paul gave, he basically reinforced that you, the male, should be the center of your own universe. The lecture was about respecting other men's ego's and not trying to bring each other down. Norah goes into detail throughout the book that she found it interesting that men have a certain space around them that men perceive someone entering that space as a challenge to their sovereignty over themselves. Women don't have that sense of ownership of immediate space.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Women don't have that sense of ownership of immediate space.

Perhaps that is due to never having to defend it growing up.

[–]3trplurker 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

no its biological. we see the exact same behavior in animals, especially primates. walk into a male gorilla's personal space and see how that works out for you. how you dominate your personal space is an indicator of high status.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So that is why people move out of my way when I walk through a store, its an instinct. All this time I thought it was the black T shirt, scruffy beard, and the blank thousand yard stare.

Makes sense, and would explain why we end up defending our space as kids.

[–]I-skid-on-your-grave 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I swear I've done this experimentally. To be honest, yeah I tend/used to be the one that moves away from people Im about to collide with until one day I told myself "Okay I-skid-on-your-grave, you are the one that owns this situation, walk and feel like you are superior to anyone you are about to walk against with and see what happens."

Shit was scary, even a group of 4 males I walk right passed moved out of my way, definetly eye opener.

[–]3trplurker 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You give off a hundred non-verbal clues to your mental state when you walk around, those clues are picked up subconsciously by others as either "don't fuck with this guy" or "this guy's a pussy" (well there are more but ppl get the gist). Women are far more capable of detecting, analyzing and interpreting these non-verbal clues then men are, it's one of the strengths of their gender. A man who owns and defends his space is a man who will own and defend her, trigger mate selection and pussy wetness. A man who doesn't own and defend his space will be bleeding into a shark infested pool.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Precisely. I figured that out a while ago when someone on a PTSD forum said people just move out of their way. Im not very tall, but I am thick, not morbidly obese, and I walk with the "baddest mother fucker in the valley" attitude, and big guys move out of my way long before I am going to run into them. Its not something I do to get off on it, when you have PTSD and have seen/survived/endured shit, you just are that way. Its just my natural way of being, always alert, always ready, and observing everything around me. Im a really easy going guy, not looking for trouble, but my persona and body language tend to keep trouble away... except for drunk college kids. Those idiots seem to think its fun to poke the bear to impress their friends. I tend to avoid those places, it helps keep my legal costs down.

[–]bobskizzle 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the reason why women's suffrage put a giant bear in the corner of liberal progressivism - they simply don't understand libertarianism because they don't own the space they're in.

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think we go camping once a year?

Find a spot, build your home, catch something, kill it, eat it, drink around a fire, sleep, go home in a state of zen relaxation.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some of us just skip the going camping part and live in the woods all the time.

[–]veggie_girl 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

My dad hated camping but went fishing almost every weekend. Quite often with his male colleagues and friends. Now he's retired to the coast and goes out on his boat to fish nearly every day.

When I asked him why he does it so often he said: "just feels right."

[–]gwarsh41 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Best "group therapy" for me is video games with friends. Just friends, no wives, or random dudes who want to make smart ass remarks. No worrying about what you say either.

[–]Offensive_Brute 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats cool too, but you should try some of the out doors stuff. Doing the things your ancestors did is hella cathartic. Once you get used to it, it becomes so... spiritual almost. You feel like "YES I am finally doing what I'm supposed to be doing."

[–]blackd0ts 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What about drinks and poker?

[–]Offensive_Brute 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its a nice way to kick back and relax, but theres a certain satisfaction in doing the things men have evolved to do.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

cigars are nice too

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously she is misogynist and part of the patriarchy. /s

[–]johnetec 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Norah Vincent on The Colbert Report

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/50036/january-25-2006/norah-vincent

[–]DrPoontang 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Seemed like she was still full of feminist prejudice and misunderstanding, rattling off sexist stereotypes left and right. Funnily, Colbert tells her to come back and explain what it's like to be a woman, but she probably doesn't really know what that is like either being a feminist lesbian, she's pretty far from mainstream womanhood as well.

[–]3trplurker 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that was after she had her wheel repaired and was back to being a full blown feminist. At the end of the book can see it happening, she took a few months to completely discard her male persona and in doing so all the emotions and rage it had assumed were discarded also. The capacity of the female brain to deny reality is astonishing.

[–]veggie_girl 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Few women think and feel outside of the moment. If it isn't happening right now it isn't relevant, or so says the feminist brain.

[–]DrPoontang 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's sadly true. It seems to at least partially explain why heterosexual women would en-mass, follow a sexual ideology crafted to a large extent by lesbians. It's even more strange considering most women don't particularly even like being around lesbians, and very few have or cultivate friendships with lesbians.

I've got nothing against lesbians, but obviously, what heterosexuals want and what homosexuals want are usually at odds with each other. He line about the ideal man being a woman in a man's body just reeks of lesbian desire being projected onto heterosexual women. It's so self centered and narrow minded, it's shocking really, yet mainstream culture has adopted it whole and unquestioningly.

[–]veggie_girl 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I think its a psychological instinct we adapted to deal with men dying in wars and raids throughout most of our early human history.

Also I think a lot of women who identify as lesbian are actually bisexual. They just won't ever admit it, because "patriarchy." Women with egos are the worst creatures. They'll stick to claiming they have no interest in men when the complete opposite is true.

[–]dasbush 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's too bad that Colbert has to keep it funny because he interrupted her whenever she was about to get to something interesting.

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[–]euneaux 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

New here. What's GW?

[–]sandgoose 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

/r/gonewild its a sub for women with self esteem issues to post their tits. Comments are always creepy, but the women want the attention so they respond.

[–]euneaux 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Just had a look.

What the devil is that?

Depressing for all those attention whores to show how dire the narcissism epidemic is.

All those poor. poor girls suffering the male gaze... Do feminists ever get frustrated with that kind of dumb tramps who make them look like fools, when the feminists say things like, "We're dressing like this for our own pleasure, not yours!"

Do all you young people <35 years get the sense that the culture is coarsening or degenerating.

I'm obviously not in the target audience because subconsciously I've already judged her a promiscuous barren slut if she's willing to share herself like that to a few million dirty strangers.

Different strokes for different folks.

I'm going Amish I think.

[–]JohnPeel 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Free tits, yo.

[–]jquest23 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Degenerating.. source: I'm 35

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Stop watching porn. Just trust me on this.

Its nothing but taunting. Stop letting it affect you. Stop showing meat to the tiger just to snatch it away. Its not good for you.

If you put half the energy you put into porn into going to the closest public place and talking to women, you'll get laid twice a week for the rest of your life.

[–]goatfishsandwich14 points 12 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but having to deal with a woman every time you feel horny can get pretty annoying. It's more realistic just to have a quick wank and get rid of the urge. What are you gonna do, call her up every time you have a boner? Getting laid every time you feel horny is unrealistic. Sometimes it's just better to jack off.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nothing wrong with cleaning out the pipes, just don't use porn.

You'll thank yourself later.

[–]goatfishsandwich3 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Why? You're forced to use your imagination, and that usually makes it take longer.

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[–]goatfishsandwich1 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh. Glad I don't have that problem

[–]gprime312 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not yet...

that usually makes it take longer.

Exactly his point. If you get used to 3-pump busts, it'll follow you when you're actually with a woman.

[–]OGCook 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

/r/nofap

[–]Harsh-Noise8 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Stop porn. It fucks you up.

Invest 50% of the time and 25% of energy of trying finding good porn online to talking to women and you will have pussy every nights.

[–]Doomsday_ 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Either you have incredibly high standards on what constitutes "good porn," or you're doing it wrong.

[–]Olipyr 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're reading the comments, you're doing it wrong.

[–]kwizzle 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She was so close to understanding but ultimately her hamster wouldn't let her, instead she concluded "patriarchy hurts men too" rather then accept men and women are fundamentally different.

Can't blame her for making progress at least.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This will never hit mainstream though because the media needs to keep up the bluepill deceit to the masses.

[–]SwordfshII 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm fancy that. Somebody should post this to SRS

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cant we're all banned from SRS.

[–]Disillusi0n 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be removed within a few minutes of posting. Besides, it's old and they've probably read and hamster'd it to death by now.

[–]lIllIllIes 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She continued her emotional descent, and a week later, checked in to a hospital with severe depression. Identity, she concluded, was not something to play around with.

Yes, yes... It's because you are acting that you checked yourself into the psych ward. I mean, we all know how common psychosis is for professional actors. It's certainly not your reality being ripped apart at the seams, and cognitive dissonance leading you into a path of confusion and chaos.

[–]RobBobGlove 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oo

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fascinating article, thanks for the share.

[–]VoyPerdiendo1 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this a repost?

[–]Dr_DJ_Jr -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Video from the 20/20 episode.

Part 1 Part 2 Part 3

[–]J2501 -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This totally confirms the conclusions drawn by my newest blog:

http://jtourdet.wordpress.com/2013/09/12/sugar-spice-and-everything-nice-the-rise-of-female-privilege-in-western-society/

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