(Discussion) What do PPDers think of people who choose ex-gay and anti-fap therapies?

says_harsh_things · 2017-04-11T19:54:34+00:00

This gay conversion and anti-masturbation stuff sounds like its outside of 3 standard deviations of normal behavior. I dont think its indicative of any group of people as a whole, liberl, conservative, rp, bp, or otherwise.

That said, i think rp in general (at least my interpretation of it) is pretty sex positive.

The split occurs when women are sex positive and still dont choose certain members of trp. When those particular members realize the sex positive ship is sailing without them, they suddenly try to force a sex-negative, monogamy oriented 'women need to controlled in a relationship' world view.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-04-11T19:48:11+00:00

why would we care as long as no one's making us do anything?

2017-04-11T20:44:08+00:00

What do RP and BP members think of people who choose to control their sexuality with psychiatric techniques?

It's called "the closet", and if you stay in it (through choice or societal pressure) it can break your mind and drive you to suicide.

I pity them. It's a shit way to live.

buartha · 2017-04-11T21:41:46+00:00

People who choose ex-gay therapies in the sense of actively trying to become straight are likely to fail and I feel bad for them and whatever poor saps end up marrying them. It's irresponsible to treat it like other forms of therapy because not only does it largely not work, it ends up actively harming a not insignificant number of the participants.

Those who want to be celibate are another matter. While I think it's rarely the right choice if you live in a culture where you're not going to be prosecuted for your activities, I do think you can live a decent enough life without sex and relationships if you keep yourself busy with other activities (and you're likely not going to make anyone miserable but yourself even if you fail at that, unlike those who drag straight wives/ husbands into their charade.)

Still though, acting like it's a free choice that should automatically be 'respected' ignores the culture surrounding the people that make those decisions, and takes the emphasis off making life better for these people without them having to change themselves. I'd imagine your views on this matter are influenced by your stated sex positive perspective though, much as my disdain for it is coloured by my dislike of that particular 'choosy choosy choice' bullshit.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-04-11T20:19:37+00:00

As far as the latter part of your question, it's self control. You don't need medication to stop masturbating or having sex with people. You make a conscious decision to do so and you can refrain from it if you want to.

Tyler_Gatsby · 2017-04-11T20:38:47+00:00

Gay therapy is BS- you're born gay, straight, or bi. There is no rewiring.

midnightvulpine · 2017-04-12T00:38:06+00:00

Ex-gay tends to be demonized because of how it's done. It's about fear/disgust of the self and seems more about forcing down what is as a means to gain acceptance. I've yet to hear of ex-gay therapy that is what I consider healthy. To me, it's the same as saying the choice to join a cult should be respected, though I'm not directly linking ex-gay therapy to cults themselves. Though ex-gay tends to be exclusively a religious thing. I don't think I've seen any atheism based therapies.

No fap, in my opinion, is a bit like a placebo. I doubt the act of not masturbating has measurable therapeutic effects. But if someone wants to go that route, that's up to them. As long as they're healthy.

I hate cheaters as a general rule. So anyone who has that as a problem should definitely see about getting that dealt with. Period.

FatTaker · 2017-04-12T10:21:27+00:00

How libertarian of you to accept even the bad personal choices.

The gay-conversion therapy sounds unscientific, so I'd rather people didn't do it. Like Princeso Bubblegum said, it's probably a decision informed by outside influence, meaning it was made for other people, not purely for the benefit of the chooser (unless they live in a homophobic country. But I think a survival course for gays in homophobic countries would be a better choice.) But as long as human society has been around, we had to deal with outside influences and either go along to survive, do what we want in secret, or resist openly and even be willing to fight. There is no society 100% free of social influence, so we always had to do what we can with what we have. What we do with what we have is still our own choice, and I agree that it should be given some respect.

My conclusion is that this therapy is inherently sex-negative, and that culture that promotes it is sex-negative, but it's individuality-positive to accept people's choices to have it (which, IMO, is a part of sex-positivity, if you care about freedom of choice at all).

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-04-11T20:01:44+00:00

I am against harmful pseudo-science, which this is.

How the hell is this even a fucking question? I'd sooner burn these fucking institutions down then support them.

OurThrownAwayDreams · 2017-04-11T23:18:49+00:00

Masturbation is probably the most relaxing thing I can do with myself. It doesn't harm other people and it hasn't harmed me.

What other people do in private is none of your god damn business.

purpleppp · 2017-04-12T01:04:52+00:00

Ex-gay therapy has been shown to be ineffective and potentially harmful. For that reason, I'd support a ban on offering it as a medical treatment. I oppose bans on private practitioners, because such bans would infringe on freedom of speech/religion. Consenting adults should be able to engage in ex-gay therapy at their own risk.

No-fap seems like a fringe thing on reddit. Some people swear it works. I don't see it as a big movement at the moment.

breakfasttopiates · 2017-04-12T02:00:25+00:00

I think its mostly good from what I've seen. I've heard ex-gay confessions and the people genuinely seem happier. A lot of them do sports camps with other men and the Church groups know they sometimes slip up and slip eachother a D or two but you don't get expelled or anything.

Anyway thing about it is that a lot of ex-gay find it nice because they get to build true relationships with other men that are very emotionally satisfying. The gay culture that the left promotes is highly toxic and overly sexual imo.

wub1234 · 2017-04-11T19:52:52+00:00

What do RP and BP members think of people who choose to control their sexuality with psychiatric techniques?

I suppose they are free to do so, but it is utterly stupid. Homosexuality is natural. No-one chooses to be attracted to their own gender, so it is not something of which you can be 'cured'. Possibly you can be taught to repress it some extent, but why you would want to repress who you are and pretend to be something you're not, I have no idea.

In terms of why you'd want to stop masturbating, this is even more ridiculous. Masturbation is just as good as sex, sometimes better! Certainly it requires less effort. While I am willing to make an effort if I get to ejaculate at the end of it, I would not want to live in a world without wanking!

Without religion, none of this bollocks would exist.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-04-11T19:57:33+00:00

Most of the objections I've seen to gay conversion therapy were about parents forcing their kids to do it. I guess if an adult does it of their own volition I don't have an objection to that, although I question the efficacy of these therapies.

As for therapy to stop masturbating/cheating, to me that doesn't sound too different from therapy for any other addiction. Don't know why anyone would have a problem with that (again, as long as the patient is attending of their own free will.) Although if they want to stop masturbating completely (rather than just curb chronic/compulsive masturbation) that doesn't sound very healthy to me.

sunkindonut149 · 2017-04-11T20:00:29+00:00

I think it is harmful and comes from an inherently sex-negative place. I think it'll just lead to more self-hatred. So I don't think it's good at all. In the end, an adult can decide for him- or herself to attend gay conversion therapy. Not anything anyone can do about it. But I don't think we should give out medication just because people want to stop masturbating. Medication should only be prescribed by a legit doctor and for a clear health reason. Religiously inspired sexual repression ain't that.

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2017-04-12T13:53:47+00:00

I think gay conversion therapy is largely about religious guilt and conformity and it doesn't work. It seems like the sort of thing other people force you to do rather than something somebody actually wants to do.

IIHotelYorba · 2017-04-12T16:43:24+00:00

Nofap is actually pretty effective and a good willpower/prefrontal cortex building exercise.

TBH gay conversion sounds ineffective but how much can we fault gay people who want to be straight, when we are supposed to be so accepting of men who want to be women? At least modern gay conversion doesn't sterilize you and give you cancer AFAIK.

2017-04-12T17:08:47+00:00

It reminds me of when homer made that makeup gun. And marge was like women dont like getting shot in the face or something.

Hes like women will like what i tell them to like lol. Anyway, thats the marxist perspective on their victim groups. Blacks, gays, who ever else

trpobserver · 2017-04-12T21:19:41+00:00

The gay therapy shit is really upsetting to me. Why cant people just be happily attracted to each other and be left alone.

Title	(Discussion) What do PPDers think of people who choose ex-gay and anti-fap therapies?
Author	sunkindonut149
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Comments	106
Date	April 11, 2017 7:31 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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