Is beating women always "loss of frame" ?

drok007 · 2015-07-07T22:49:10+00:00

BPers would have a lot more ammunition to try and get the sub shut down if they advertised it.

pakleader · 2015-07-07T22:57:26+00:00

First of all, I think the main point of that post was to say that "Hitting women is NOT Red Pill", period. TRP to its credit has never condoned domestic violence.

The loss of frame point was just to demonstrate how completely incompatible beating women was to a core TRP philosophy. Frame isn't about "discipline" or "teaching women a lesson". It's about maintaining a certain attitude or persona - and that persona does not include violence.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-07-07T23:52:38+00:00

Don't get me started, this is the subject I got banned from trp irc over

Aerobus · 2015-07-08T03:40:12+00:00

How is it "loss of frame" if it's a calculated act meant to get some specific results ?

If you hold frame properly and are alpha, you shouldn't need to resort to beating women. If a woman annoys you that much, you just ignore her and call up another plate. There are many, simpler, more efficient things you can do than beat a woman.

I personally don't understand why TRPillers don't allow posts like these

Domestic abuse is illegal. Anything illegal cannot be endorsed by the moderation team.

that said that TRPillers should "keep their morals to themselves" and "not judge other users".

Because we don't want people lecturing others on what they think is moral. People's moral compasses differ, especially on TRP in which some users are heavy into dark triad and admit they have psychopathic tendencies. My moral compass, for example, is very different than an average person's moral compass. I think it is perfectly moral to manipulate and gaslight a woman. This makes people shocked.

mustang_mike · 2015-07-08T01:27:58+00:00

Jimmy Carr talking about the subject. I think this should be the official RP stance on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXom0OP3Rwk#t=33

cherryblue12 · 2015-07-07T23:02:58+00:00

I feel like if TRPers existed 100 years ago, they would advocate beating their wives. It's the ultimate dread game.

donit · 2015-07-08T00:22:46+00:00

Another excellent question- You should be an attorney.

TRP is a gender realization attraction strategy. The techniques are for building respect and attraction in relationships.

Violence, cursing or raising your voice only happens when you lose control of the situation. Since it indicates a loss of self control and a loss of frame, it is a losing indicator. A complete failure of being redpill.

Violence in a relationship is like robbing a liquor store because you lost your job. It's committing a felony because you couldn't handle your day-to-day issues.

Or the bluepill favorite: It's like beating a child because you're too stupid to know how to lead the frame with them.

So, the only use it would have in discussion would be a lesson of what not to do, and as an indicator of how to tell that your strategy and behavior have failed to live up to TRP standards.

Divorce, violence, anger, and loss of attraction are the four levels of failure in a relationship. So, advocating any of them would be counter-productive since they are the four types of situations TRP is trying to pull you out of.

So violence is basically the reverse of TRP as it is one of the pitfalls TRP is designed to save you from, the mods see no reason to risk allowing it to become misconstrued and taken out of context by people who might confuse it with the patriarchal mindframes of TRP or the mislabeled/misunderstood "dread" sexual market value-building game. (Nobody's ever advocated repeatedly threatening to leave in order to instill fear-game, or pushing them to tears-game so dread is the wrong word.)

despisedlove2 · 2015-07-08T03:30:24+00:00

Beating anyone is assault before it is anything else.

[deleted] · 2015-07-08T03:31:18+00:00

no. sometimes it's exercise.

wombatinaburrow · 2015-07-08T05:27:37+00:00

Women are the oldest teenagers. Spare the rod and spoil the child?

lbspredh · 2015-07-08T07:02:07+00:00

Problem with that theory is that the real world evidence pretty much proves that beating as a method of teaching and correction just doesn't work, the only time it would make sense is if the calculated act was to hurt your wife for sadistic reasons and that's precisely why it's a loss of frame or whatever

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2015-07-08T14:16:55+00:00

Besides the normal reasons any other sub wouldn't allow threads about beating women, TRP doesn't allow conversations about beating women because beating women isn't an effective sexual strategy.

The most effective way to teach someone a lesson, including instilling discipline, is to give out or withdraw rewards. In terms of romance and flirting, this means affection and attention.

The only time I can see violence as a useful training tool would be to train people like soldiers, police, and martial artists how to deal with that kind of stress/threat.

thereddespair · 2015-07-08T15:06:57+00:00

to beat a woman out of anger yes, not just for the sake of loss of frame but sheer loss of self control.

however, to defend yourself or another human being, i truly believe physical force against women by a man is warranted. if a woman punches you in the face, yes i believe it is justifiable for you to punch this woman in the face as well.

SlippyToadsWildRide · 2015-07-08T20:28:32+00:00

they're proudly against moralization

Maybe I haven't read enough RP material, but I don't believe this to be true. Everybody (aside from sociopaths) has morals.

What RP says is that sexual strategy is amoral. Meaning that as humans, we can't help who we're attracted to, even if the reasons for it may not consciously make sense.

I don't think TRP advocates being a person without morals, it advocates recognizing that men and women are attracted to certain things, despite their upbringing, morals, etc. and to take advantage of that to become an attractive man.

To answer your question though, yes beating a woman is always a loss of frame. It shows your failure to maintain composure and control yourself. Unless you beat her at Mariokart or something.

17b29a · 2015-07-07T22:46:55+00:00

no, theyre just pussies

prodigy2throw · 2015-07-07T23:22:21+00:00

I just created this thread to understand why beating women is "loss of frame" and why they don't allow these comments if they're proudly against moralization

This is probably hard for TBP to understand, but guys on TRP don't beat women to discipline them.

max_peenor · 2015-07-07T23:50:17+00:00

If she comes at me with a running chainsaw, we might have an issue.

Title	Is beating women always "loss of frame" ?
Author	HappilySingleWoman
Upvotes	1
Comments	196
Date	July 7, 2015 10:40 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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