Women of PPD: Why should men not hate women?

lorispoison · 2015-05-12T22:59:11+00:00

You shouldn't hate women because it's stupid, shortsighted, and only really hurts yourself.

You have met hundreds of creative, intelligent, caring, dynamic, funny, thought-provoking women in your life. Think of your mother, aunts, sisters, and grandmothers. Think of the teachers you've had in your life. Think of your doctors and nurses. Think of the service people you've met. Think of your neighbors, friends, and classmates. Think back on your life and truly tell me that none of the female people you've met have been worthwhile human beings.

Remove the suffocating layer of bitterness from your life and regard those women who lie outside the 10% you'd like to fuck. Think past the interactions you've had with women romantically. I promise they are there.

You are ignoring the very real, and incredibly numerous contributions women have made to society. You are choosing to ignore that people have value at an individual level. You are reducing half the world's human beings to a single twisted stereotype. You are doing what bigots do when they paint black people with the broad brush of urban crime ("But look at the stats!! They are more violent").

You very well may have had several bad experiences with women. Most people experience that in love. Most people don't then spew insane hate speech about their preferred gender on the internet.

If I entertain the idea that what trp says about women is true I must entirely discount all instances of women being selfless, acting as leaders, and engaging in intelligent discussion that I have witnessed on a personal level and on a larger scale.

Why shouldn't you hate women? ...Why the fuck should you?

GridReXX · 2015-05-12T01:44:51+00:00

Should I hate men because they commit more crimes and make the world generally unsafe?

You're asking us to tell you why you shouldn't hate women.

You are free to harbor resentment against any person who you feel has slighted you.

I can give you a host of reasons why you shouldn't hate me.

I prefer to judge people on a more personal level.

why_do_anything · 2015-05-12T02:14:17+00:00

Your qn is weird.

I wouldn't flat out call them 'misogynistic' groups. Some men are hateful towards women, some aren't. Same problem w Islam, some are terrorists some aren't. Calling it a religion of peace or violence is both unhelpful and only serve to derail any meaningful conversation.

See now, RPers have to 'defend' that claim instead of answering the essence of your questions.

Cos it's tiring to be negative all the time? Srsly

Argh I'll skip to the next qn

After realising what they been told for so long was wrong or inaccurate, no doubt they feel angry. The qn is what they do afterwards. Initially hypergamy was a concept in social sci, but after prolonged usage (by RPer) the meaning became diluted. I don't find the terms used insulting but funny lol

I think the existence of TRP is a sign many men already feel this way about women or the SMP and simply can't talk about this stuff in their daily lives for obvious reasons.

Exactly. So true for former. For latter, relevant pragmatic advice (in the form a framework) is hard to come by irl. Men don't know and women's advice doesn't really apply. Perhaps because of the gender differences.

rulenumber303 · 2015-05-12T06:11:56+00:00

1.Fewer women want a family for a variety of reasons (contraceptive advances, better workplace access, hard financial times, easy access to casual sex, better retirement options) for women that don't want a family often guys are more trouble than they are worth, this leads to men being less in demand. Those women that do want a family tend to want other things too and be not so urgent about it most of the time. Guys aren't particularly good at not being in demand, they were evolved to live in circumstances where male mortality rates were high and surviving men were in demand. They hate it. Add in the effects of porn on top of that, the unrealistic expectations it fosters, and then there's trouble.

2.It rarely works out well when you blame someone else in any major way for your own neediness.

3.They want you to dump or annoy your girlfriend enough that she dumps you. Then maybe they can fuck her. I mean duh isn't this obvious?

4.Its not like your shit don't stink too, TRP massively overstates the case for most of the concepts they put forward, and once again, blaming someone else for your neediness is usually a bad path to turn down.

5.We don't need to fix it, we just need to survive it a few generations. Angry whiner incels don't tend to leave many offspring.

Vornnash · 2015-05-12T10:02:31+00:00

Hate is corrosive, it will eat away at you, and you won't be happy.

Problematiqu · 2015-05-12T14:29:27+00:00

Because it offers an easily digestible cure-all with steps included. Like a fad diet. For lonely men.
In general? They shouldn't feel obligated past the base-line respect one individual gives to another, regardless of gender. On an individual basis? I suppose it would depend on whether the person is deserving of respect in general. Why should I respect men in general? It's an odd question. As far as the anger at the SMP, I get the frustration, I guess. Women have it too when they see much hotter women getting what they deem the most attractive guys. Everyone's along for the SMP irritation ride.
I don't think they are aiming to turn men against women. I think they are aiming to gain control over women. Because that is probably an area of their lives in which they have little control over. Of course a strategy offering total control will appeal to those feeling completely out of control.
Because as TRP constantly chirp on here about women not being the only ones to behave in this way, but being the only ones they are speaking of for their own personal strategies, then there would be no more reason to hate women for those that behave in negative ways than to hate men for those that behave in negative ways. They've admitted to these issues being gender neutral, but can occur in dating another person. So why hate an entire gender for issues that may occur with either gender in the dating world? Because it feels good? Alright, go with that then.
I wouldn't. I really do think most people grow out of this nonsense. If it graduates to criminal behavior, then they'll be landed in jail and that solves the problem in and of itself. If they don't grow out of it, then they essentially remove themselves from the SMP by being undesirable. Hatred for a gender is a pretty big thing, it will leak out around the edges and be seen. If they manage to lock down a women who is okay with that, that is a shame but it's their personal decisions. People enter into and leave abusive relationships every day. Not much you can do about it except make help and information more available to those that might be suffering.

yasee · 2015-05-12T15:08:39+00:00

I could probably do a decent job of convincing individual RPers why they shouldn't hate me personally. But on a more general level, the answer to your title question is just "because your perception of women is inaccurate"...and that's a totally different debate than the one you want to have here, I think. It's the same answer I'd give to someone who hates, say, black people.

I realize it isn't a very productive one :/

[deleted] · 2015-05-12T19:24:15+00:00

Why do you feel these misogynist groups have boomed recently? (When I first found TRP, they only had 12,000. Now over 100K)

Let's be honest here, these groups have been around for a very long time. TRPs ideas aren't very new, they are just recycled old concepts repackaged to fit a new generation. The difference is, there is more access to the internet now, so people from all over the world can get together and spout old ideas thinking they are novel.

Why should men respect women in general?

I think people confuse respect with common courtesy. You should be courteous to others, but respect is earned. I think humanity as a whole deserves no respect, but I judge who does deserve it on an individual basis. I am a misanthrope, I have no problem admitting that.

Why shouldn't men react to the state of the SMP with anger and/or misogyny?

Getting angry at things you can't change is a waste of time. The SMP is the same it's always been. It's not women's fault, it's not men's fault, it just is.

Why do you think these groups are aiming directly, or indirectly to turn men against women?

Because they are hurt. TRP is just an emotional backlash at the thought of being alone forever. How many posters also sub to places like r/depression or r/suicidewatch? How many posters admit to not having the best relationship with their mom or their family? Pitting men against women is a great band-aid strategy.

Why do you think men generally wouldn't or shouldn't react with anger or hatred towards females after realizing things about female nature?

Well, those things about "female nature" apply to "male nature" as well. Men and women aren't very different from one another. They both look for the best partner they can have, they both have selfish impulses and sometimes act on them, they both end up settling down with someone eventually, etc.

I could list all kinds of reasons as to why you shouldnt hate 50% of the population but there'd be no point. Not because there aren't reasons as to why you shouldnt hate them, but because TRPers have made up their minds. Would you tell a RadFem all the good things men have to offer? No, it's a waste of time.

If you do agree these groups promote gender hatred/gender war, how would you go about helping the situation or fixing it?

Both sides should get over themselves and understand that they are equally shitty.

I think the existence of TRP is a sign many men already feel this way about women or the SMP and simply can't talk about this stuff in their daily lives for obvious reasons.

TRP would probably be less insufferable if it wasn't so full of conspiratards.

If someone told me they hate me, I could come with with quite a few reasons why I'm not someone worthy of hatred...

Right, because you'd list individual qualities about yourself. I could do that too, but that's not going to cause TRPers to hate women less. I'd be considered an exception. You could list qualities about yourself to an ardent man hating RadFem all day long, but you're not going to change her mind.

_ArchitectofThought_ · 2015-05-12T12:12:13+00:00

I think that the hater is the one that has to justify his hate. But anyways it's stupid to hate a whole sex for things that they haven't do Do you hate the slave girls of Boko Haram? Do you hate the Argentinian mothers of May? Do you hate the women of forever alone? Do you hate all french women? Do you hate your mother? Your grandmother? You act like all the women in the world are the same and are guilty of the same perceived crimes against men.

SailorMercure · 2015-05-12T02:08:02+00:00

I am not a sociologist. How should I know? I guess these guys are angry?
Try to respect people based on their individual actions, not on their gender. There are more male cat callers than female cat callers. I don't hate all men because of that. I wait and see how they act towards me and act accordingly.
Because it's easier to hate people, and it's even easier to hate them based on characteristics they don't have control over (gender, skin color, sexual orientation, etc.).
If the behavior is truly natural, why the anger? Does the anger do anything towards changing natural female behavior? "Females are bad. Men angry." female keeps being bad anyway
Free therapy for all. The anger needs to be directed some way.

Bottom line, if you're truly convinced women are garbage, it's fine by us. You should keep on hanging out with fellow men, to keep away from us so you wouldn't be exposed to our vile behavior. I'll go reflect on how I make your guys life miserable. Maybe I'll change. Maybe we'll all change.

stiffles laughter

dragoness_leclerq · 2015-05-12T04:07:31+00:00

Why do you feel these misogynist groups have boomed recently? (When I first found TRP, they only had 12,000. Now over 100K)

People like echo chambers. How many users did TRP have in the 70s? Now you can sit behind a keyboard an anonymous username and write what ever you want.

I've been on the Internet since ~'98. Nothing is new it's just changed forms. TRP 15 years ago would have been an angry IRC channel or PHPBB forum. Reddit has become more popular, it's demographic is overwhelmingly male and young.

Why should men respect women in general?

Because they're human beings? I follow the rule of 1/3s and accept the rule of 1/3s with people I meet.

1/3 of people will like you.
1/3 of people will hate you.
1/3 of people will be indifferent.

Regardless of gender, sex, orientation, et al.

If I run into a femnazi man hater it's not because she's a woman, it's because she's in the 1/3 that I hate and will probably hate me.

Why shouldn't men react to the state of the SMP with anger and/or misogyny?

The SMP is the same that it has always been. Every single generation shows up and thinks that everything they're doing is new and novel and it has never been experienced before. Just as every generation thinks the next generation is screwing it up some how. Nothing has changed about the sexual market place in the last 1000 years.

Why do you think men generally wouldn't or shouldn't react with anger or hatred towards females after realizing things about female nature?

Because what TRP accepts as 'truth of female nature' isn't. It applies to a subset of females. Just as not all men are rapists. That 'truth of male nature' applies to a subset of males.

goatismycopilot · 2015-05-12T14:26:33+00:00

Hate is so all consuming especially if it is nurtured. So I think the man who "hates" women does damage to himself. That hatred could leak into other areas of his life impacting that. In short hatred requires an emotional investment that has no real pay off. Now if a man wants to be indifferent to women based on his opinions and experiences I see no reason to try and change his position. On a personal level I am not in this world to try plead with people to like me. I happen to be an individual woman although from my understanding TRP thinks we are all the same so being an individual with my own set of ideas/outlooks/experiences is not going to be a major convincing factor for somebody who decides to hate women. If I don't have to deal with the haters IRL then I am even less motivated to try and engage in some redemptive convincing campaign. Because that is what this question seems to be provoking, okay women it is is now up to you to make men like you.

barbadosslim · 2015-05-12T17:33:56+00:00

Why do you think men generally wouldn't or shouldn't react with anger or hatred towards females after realizing things about female nature? Ie. hypergamy, AF+BB are pretty insulting concepts regardless of whether we accept they are "natural".

That's a pretty loaded question. Assuming women are sociopaths, why shouldn't we hate them???

The OP is pretty dishonest. Intellectually bankrupt. Maybe take a class in ethics, and learn about different ideas of what is good. Then take a class in gender studies and learn about some good ideas instead of diving headfirst into a bunch of pseudoscience you found on reddit.com. If you don't have the time or money for that, get a book idk.

[deleted] · 2015-05-12T02:28:41+00:00

Haters gonna hate.

They see women walking. They hatin'.

There is no 'should'. You feel how you feel.

What's the answer? Create a men-only island. Do manly things with men, see only men and hear only men. Erect a sign that says "RED PILL ISLAND. NO WOMEN ALLOWED EVER." Live happily ever after.

_ArchitectofThought_ · 2015-05-12T07:40:44+00:00

Why do you feel these misogynist groups have boomed recently? (When I first found TRP, they only had 12,000. Now over 100K)

Because men are frustrated with women and with feminism.

Why should men respect women in general? Why shouldn't men react to the state of the SMP with anger and/or misogyny?

I think they should consider that women are individuals.

Why do you think these groups are aiming directly, or indirectly to turn men against women?

Because men are frustrated against women and groups like this divide us even more.

Why do you think men generally wouldn't or shouldn't react with anger or hatred towards females after realizing things about female nature? Ie. hypergamy, AF+BB are pretty insulting concepts regardless of whether we accept they are "natural".

Why are they insulting ? There's nothing inherently wrong with hypergamy or polygyny. We can all control instincts like that.

If you do agree these groups promote gender hatred/gender war, how would you go about helping the situation or fixing it?

I personally think modern feminism is the problem that's why I consider myself an anti-feminist and a MRM supporter.

cherryblue12 · 2015-05-12T21:12:20+00:00

Why should men not hate women?

This is a silly question. You might as well ask "why shouldn't I hate jews? or blacks? or gays? or people with prescription glasses?"

Now, if you were asking "why shouldn't I hate this particular woman who treated me like crap," that would be a different matter.

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dragoness_leclerq · 2015-05-12T02:21:09+00:00

Why do you feel these misogynist groups have boomed recently? (When I first found TRP, they only had 12,000. Now over 100K)

First of all, to call them misogynist groups is a bit stupid and misleading. A lot of men are sexually frustrated and lonely (Hell, people in general seem to feel a lot more isolated and ignored, etc, but we’re speaking specifically of men so I won’t get into that.) TRP and similar places provide men with not only an outlet but an explanation for their problems. However, in some respects they also provide men with the means/tools to solve them (self-improvement, conversation game, etc). Some men opt to take the advice offered and better themselves, meanwhile others simply choose to wallow in misogyny. So, I'd say the rise in popularity has to do with the fact that they provide an outlet in one form or another.

Why should men respect women in general? Why shouldn't men react to the state of the SMP with anger and/or misogyny?

I believe respect should be earned so I won’t say men must inherently respect women in general, but at the very least they should try not to openly disrespect them or be hateful toward an entire sex. Hate is silly and unproductive. Especially when you also wish to interact with the thing you hate.

Why do you think men generally wouldn't or shouldn't react with anger or hatred towards females after realizing things about female nature? Ie. hypergamy, AF+BB are pretty insulting concepts regardless of whether we accept they are "natural".

Because NAWALT? It’s laughably childish to “hate” a whole group because of the actions of some. Alternatively, should women “hate” men because of male nature? Should we get upset because many of them prefer younger, fit women or wish to be free to have sex with many of them, even when in a relationship?

If someone told me they hate me, I could come with quite a few reasons why I'm not someone worthy of hatred...

And those reasons would probably be considered "not very convincing or discussion-worthy" as well.

The bottom line is, you shouldn't harbor or entertain blanket hatred for anyone. It's futile and won't in any way improve your life. But, you're certainly free to do so.

whythefucksex · 2015-05-12T09:55:30+00:00

Not a woman, but you shouldn't hate because it's counter productive. If you sit at home hating on women the only one suffering is yourself. Better to ridicule them somehow, which would probably be easier if you didn't hate them.

Title	Women of PPD: Why should men not hate women?
Author	_ArchitectofThought_
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Date	May 12, 2015 1:36 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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