the myth of the slutty virgin

LUClEN · 2015-05-11T02:58:26+00:00

The guys I've known in my personal life who are most successful with women could not care less about a woman's sexual past for the most part, unless she had a reputation that preceded her.

I think a lot of that concern comes from male insecurity.

cherryblue12 · 2015-05-10T23:17:11+00:00

We don't actually think women like that exist.

sumant28 · 2015-05-10T23:21:54+00:00

For your first question I don't really see how sluttiness or lack thereof have much to do with sexual fulfilment with a virgin. Most sexual relationships tend to start off with vanilla sex and then the guy through assertive suggestiveness can make a girl submit to all his other kinks. I don't agree with what I think you're implying which is that a woman who doesn't have any or a lot of sex will not be sexually adventurous.

Secondly it's not like TRP is about denying women what they want. Independent of TRP I know of many attractive women who of their own volition have zero or few sexual partners despite having peers with sexual experience. A woman's value up to a certain point has her sexual market value increase the longer she stays a virgin which a lot of women intuitively understand. She's basically stating that even though sex is enjoyable for her none of the guys she knows is good enough which is the epitome of market power.

TRP wants high value women for LTRs. It's only natural they therefore prefer virgins or women with less sexual experience.

dejour · 2015-05-11T04:31:38+00:00

I'm pretty sure most RP guys are quite happy with a woman who has had 3-5 partners. The ideal might be a virgin, but you can be very happy with someone that isn't ideal in every respect. 3-5 partners for someone aged 25 means that she has some restraint.

You might fantasize about winning a $10 million lottery.
But you would still be ecstatic about winning $200,000 in a lottery. It would be unusual to say, "I wanted $10 million. If it's not $10 million I'm not interested."

[deleted] · 2015-05-11T06:38:12+00:00

From what I can tell, every TRP man's fantasy is to find a woman who is a virgin, but also loves sex, has a high sex drive and is up for pretty much everything.

And most of womanąs fantasies are to find a man who owns the world but would give it all away just for her.

throwinout · 2015-05-10T23:28:10+00:00

how likely do you actually think it is that you're going to find a "slutty" virgin

Depends on the region. Very unlikely in Western societies.

do you think it's unfair that you are demanding a girl deny herself something she wants, while at the same time demanding that she be ok with the fact that you didn't deny yourself

I don't demand it. I don't see TRP as prescriptive, or at least I don't think it should be. What I will say is that is the ideal, try to get as close to the ideal as possible. It may never happen. But I wouldn't demand that, if finding someone like that is something I think is worth striving for.

cxj · 2015-05-11T01:09:55+00:00

first, how likely do you actually think it is that you're going to find a "slutty" virgin

Unbelievably unlikely. I live in CA and think its more likely I'll be struck by lightening. However, there are virgins and other low p count girls who are down for almost anything once they do settle down into an LTR.

do you think it's unfair that you are demanding a girl deny herself something she wants, while at the same time demanding that she be ok with the fact that you didn't deny yourself?

IF she really wants to be slutty (read: have a high partner count), there is absolutely nothing stopping her from doing this. If she just wants wild sex acts inside an LTR, then she's not losing anything from me having done them before. If she wants a guy with a low p count/virgin, she can have that, too. A young attractive virgin girl has a colossal SMV, and can pretty much get whatever she wants if she goes about it correctly. So its not so much an issue of "fairness" as "does she have what I want, and do I have what she wnats?" TRP/seduction is all about repeatedly running the odds until those two align. This likely will not happen, but I guess its worth a shot if that's what you really want.

HeelsDownEyesUp · 2015-05-11T04:38:39+00:00

Welp, I must be an outlier then. Due to religious beliefs and how I attach to people.

However, I would only marry someone with similar religious beliefs and is also a virgin or has a very low partner count.

I'd go further to say that no woman really wants a top 1% man either. A true alpha is a guy with a trophy wife and a side hoe/concubine. Both sexes have to compromise somewhat to have a pleasant, working marriage.

cherryblue12 · 2015-05-10T22:38:59+00:00

Most TRPer want to teach a virgin how to please them. I'm sure they will not be expecting an amazing performance right off the bat.

Spoooooooooooooky · 2015-05-10T22:28:13+00:00

the random button brought me here (I don't know anything about /r/TheBluePill and /r/TheRedPill )

Isn't the whole sex-loving virgin thing about the idea that people are grossed out by thinking someone else has been there before them? but still think someone who knows what he/she is doing is more fun in bed?

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swishman · 2015-05-11T06:45:25+00:00

thats why you go for teenagers

exit_sandman · 2015-05-11T07:56:22+00:00

do you think it's unfair that you are demanding a girl deny herself something she wants, while at the same time demanding that she be ok with the fact that you didn't deny yourself?

Don't let me get started about lopsided expectations men and women have towards each other.

Glenbert · 2015-05-12T10:17:08+00:00

From what I can tell, every TRP man's fantasy is to find a woman who is a virgin, but also loves sex, has a high sex drive and is up for pretty much everything.

I think if you dug deeper, you'd realize that these were younger guys who were seriously looking for this. And it makes sense at 18.

When it makes less sense is when she's in her late 20s or early 30s. If she spent all that time not fucking, anyone, there's something going on there, biologically.

28 year old virgin? No thanks. And if that makes me blue pill, whatever.

cherryblue12 · 2015-05-10T23:12:38+00:00

From what I can tell, every TRP man's fantasy is to find a woman who is a virgin, but also loves sex, has a high sex drive and is up for pretty much everything.

Well you are wrong. Women love to say this probably because they don't like it that men want virgins.

We don't expect virgins to be cock-starved porn stars their first go

RedoranBoneMould · 2015-05-11T05:31:36+00:00

It seems contradictory because most of the people you see on the red pill aren't actually looking for long term relationships-- they know that the "sluts" are better at sex, which is why most are obsessed with spinning plates. They aren't looking for the mythical slutty virgin, because they hate modern marriage and don't care to find that partner. It's too easy to bounce from slut to slut.

However, the ones who are looking forward to an LTR are in fact looking for someone who is a virgin, or has very low partner count, because they cite studies about how women with more partners have less happy marriages, feel they can always find another man, etc.

As someone who plans to get married in the next two years, I'm very happy that my girlfriend is a virgin and that I'm that we are the only people that will experience each other sexually. It lets one become more comfortable in the relationship and leaves no opportunity of lingering memories or jealousy.

I know that my future wife and I will not have porn-star sex on our wedding night, and things won't be perfect right away. And being a virgin doesn't necessarily mean you'll have a low sex-drive with your future spouse.

Edit: Ignore my inane rambling above, short answers below

1) Not very likely, but I was lucky to find my girlfriend, we're both relatively young, and our religious beliefs have kept us from indulging in sex ourselves or with others.

2) Girls seem more willing to forgive it, so it works for some guys. I don't think it's "fair," though, and I have denied myself in respect to my future spouse and God . I'm probably a minority on red pill though as that's directly related to my religion.

TheGreasyPole · 2015-05-11T07:59:12+00:00

I'm not personally a big believer in "wifing a virgin".

I say you want a "low partner count, gained exclusively in LTRs" over a virgin. I'd be looking for a gal who has picked up a few skills, whilst still not being a slut.

A RP poster said once "ah, but why would you want another man to train her in those skills. If you get a virgin... You get to train her right the first time".

It was very hard to argue against that !

Anyway. If prefer at least some prior evidence of a sexual nature, expressed in way that shows her as a good LTR prospect.

You don't want to buy a car and discover the engine is massively underpowered for the tasks you had lined up.

London-Bananas · 2015-05-11T10:07:50+00:00

There's a difference between loving sex and having sex with a lot of different people. A woman who has sex a thousand times with one man is valuable, and a woman who has sex one time with a thousand men has no value.

Also I believe it's a majority that actually focuses on virgins. In fact number isn't even that important, but girls who have nothing to offer besides sex tend to have high partner counts.

kick6 · 2015-05-11T18:03:24+00:00

Most women who love sex have had a partner or two.

Based on what? are you suggesting that women don't have agency, and are incapable of controlling their urges to realize a long-term strategy?

And most virgins probably aren't going to be ready for porn-star-quality antics for a couple of years at least.

Based on what? Are you suggesting that a woman invested in pleasing herself and her partner is incapable of learning a new task in, say, the time span of a semester of school (in which we expect both men AND women to learn 3-4 new tasks simultaneously)?

Danieltck · 2015-05-13T09:53:09+00:00

Majority of TRP is stupid.

[deleted] · 2015-05-14T18:37:14+00:00

Every woman is capable of becoming a slut. Its just that she will only be that slut for the right man. Sexually repressed women are fantastic sluts for the right guy.

I'm reminded of Chris Rock's act: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIv4phFcAAs

SirNemesis · 2015-05-11T06:45:45+00:00

18 year old chicks ftw.

Nitzi · 2015-05-11T00:00:15+00:00

Most women who love sex have had a partner or two. And most virgins probably aren't going to be ready for porn-star-quality antics for a couple of years at least.

Source?

Two questions for TRPers: first, how likely do you actually think it is that you're going to find a "slutty" virgin

No idea, but I am very lucky, so maybe 50%, and my GF is exactly that.

do you think it's unfair that you are demanding a girl deny herself something she wants, while at the same time demanding that she be ok with the fact that you didn't deny yourself?

Everything she accepts is fair.

SoldierGenerale · 2015-05-11T01:17:30+00:00

Found one.

18 year old Catholic virgin from a small town in eastern-europe.

Fucked her and she was a natural pornstar. One of the most ridiculous things ever.

She didn't have a personality though so it didn't work out.

wazzup987 · 2015-05-10T22:27:32+00:00

The common RP myth is that all women enjoy kinky , D/S sex. I guess I'm too boring for them.

first, how likely do you actually think it is that you're going to find a sex-loving virgin and second, do you think it's unfair that you are demanding a girl deny herself something she wants, while at the same time demanding that she be ok with the fact that you didn't deny yourself?

I don't really get your post. Virgin women can learn to love and enjoy sex just like everybody else.

Title	the myth of the slutty virgin
Author	cherryblue12
Upvotes	10
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Date	May 10, 2015 10:21 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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