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Thought experiment: what if RPers used the same elusive, euphemistic language to describe what they do as women/most BPers do

sumant28

April 1, 2015

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All of these examples have extremely strong red pill narratives. They all have feminist corollaries also that are extremely common.

"Sure I had a few "casual" years where I just didn't know how to "settle down". As you mature however you realise that your priorities change and the things you used to value don't matter as much. I now have a fiance who has been with no other guys and I really like her mature attitude to sex. I don't think I have many more years where I can do the casual thing so this arrangement is perfect for this moment in my life."

"I'm not sure why there are so many women unhappy about their sexual partners not committing to exclusivity and a long term relationship. What more could they want above loving, healthy fatuous love. I think women in this arrangement are simply insecure over their inability to appreciate fatuous love."

"I don't like the huge expectation society puts on men to facilitate romantic interactions on whirlwind dates, Valentine's Day, honeymoons where men have to do something to satisfy a women's desires. I like the arrangement I have myself where I show her how valuable I am as an individual by not taking her out at all and only meeting up by having sex at my place. Using TRP I can make women realise they never wanted any of that in the first place and that means they can value me as an individual and not just as a vehicle that dances according to society's expectations.

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Title	Thought experiment: what if RPers used the same elusive, euphemistic language to describe what they do as women/most BPers do
Author	sumant28
Upvotes	13
Comments	76
Date	April 1, 2015 1:22 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/30zz1i/thought_experiment_what_if_rpers_used_the_same/
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[–]saltinadojust tylenol's fine, thanks7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]exit_sandmanstill not the MGTOW sandman FFS4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]sumant28[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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If they toned down the language no one would know the sub existed. Its as popular as it is largely because they are seen as the boogie man of reddit.

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That is actually the scary part. The essence of TRP is not too bad IMHO but I wonder how a style that is arguably hateful or at least angry towards the very same people guys are trying to fall in love with can get popular. Do really a lot of guys have more or less suppressed anger against women? I don't really understand it, I have always seen my failures as mine, so when I had dry years I hated myself, not women.

I mean, to give you a parallel, some people are anti-semites. But they are not trying to hire bright jewish lawyers at the same time, right? So it is so weird that a tone of anger towards a group of people can work together with desire for doing things together with the very same people.

Are there any parallels for this? Did any group of people ever feel this kind of love-hate or rather desires-without-respect for any other group of people?

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[–]sumant28[S] 25 points26 points27 points 11 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

I agree with a lot of this but it goes both ways. If someone chooses to ride the cock carousel and feminists try to shame a beta to "man up" and accept her promiscuity don't try to use euphemistic language to dodge what's actually going on.

What I'm rebelling against is the tendency of Bluepillers to dress up what everyone intuitively knows is a turd. Redpillers by contrast are much more open and frank about what they do which makes them better at least in this regard.

The issue is asserting that women should have less agency and "submit" to the man's will. She should be a virgin (some sort of retroactive loyalty?), she shouldn't want monogamy, she should prioritize her man's individuality over her own desires.

Don't conflate individual preferences with some sort of authoritarian imperative that everyone has to follow and that no one has any free will to override.

Just because I go to a fair looking to get a bargain doesn't mean I'm also saying that all merchants should be pushovers and sell everything they have for whatever change a person happens to carry.

[–]A_Google_UserViagra2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

I don't think preferences are above criticism, though. If I preferred to only socialize with white people, I may not hurt anyone but that preference is rooted in a prejudice which may prove problematic down the road. At the very least, it legitimizes prejudice somewhat to say "eh it's just a preference".

I forget the name of the organization, but it reminds me of a RP bedfellow which emphasizes rejecting women all together (with the exception of sex on THE MAN'S terms). A strange boycott of half the population.

And that sounds peachy. Based in hate perhapse, but at least self-contained. There is an issue with TRPers and PUAs where they go on the prowl and treat women poorly. Granted a few women might like it (RPW somehow exists), and others might miss the red flags, but the vast majority of women would rather retain their agency in an interaction with a man.

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O rly? What about employment recruiters who go around college campuses emphasising how important good social skills and a personality are while also saying top tier grades are a pre-requisite knowing full well the profile of people who fit under the first criterion are completely different to the profile of people who fit under the second criterion?

People can prefer whatever they want even if it is lofty. The same girl by definition can't have slept with 0 and 100 men at the same time but within the entirety of the female population there are some in the former group and others in the latter group. If RPers want to take from both pools and the women are consenting it's none of anyone's business to try to stop them.

For the record I'm not even with the RPers on this since I don't want to spin plates. All I want is to get married now because I'm no longer a virgin and want the stability. I can't deny however that everything said about alpha fucks beta bucks is almost exactly how I'm seeing it turn out from the people around me.

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[–]sumant28[S] 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Idk bro, I think that unemployed law student gets a sliver of that burden.

here's where I differ with most of the liberal leaning people of reddit, cream always rises to the top at least eventually. That's the joy of capitalism

but why tho

A point of departure between RPers and BPers. My physical attraction increases for a woman who chooses not to have sex so i t is in my intererest. BPers don't seem to care about the possibility of being Mr #83.

I agree? I don't care about the wellness of racists. The point is when they put preference in the ether, it's important to pair it with a criticism.

Your point is completely arbitrary and nonsensical. I demonstrated that there is no harm to your not all accurate analogy of someone always preferring whitey so no one should care about it. Do you apply this "criticism" for other kooky preferences like people who only choose marriage partners based on their star signs aligning? You can say that the belief is just stupid but beyond that why should anyone care.

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liberal leaning people of reddit

Ha I'm a leftist, thank you very much! It's too late to debate capitalism though so let's drop it.

BPers don't seem to care about the possibility of being Mr #83.

Really couldn't care less. If your partner is attractive and std free, the only deterrent I can imagine is one's own insecurity to "live up to" partners 1-82.

why should anyone care

The short and sweet is: bad ideas spread if they go unchecked. Bad ideas in the wrong hands = big yikes.

I'm now realizing how bad my analogy is. The racist I depict is passive and keeps to himself. A sexist dating is actively irritating/harming others.

Anyway, the original point wasn't about any of this. I was saying I don't respect "hey don't criticize me, it's my opinion!". "Live and let live" does not forbid dialogue.

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If your partner is attractive and std free, the only deterrent I can imagine is one's own insecurity to "live up to" partners 1-82.

It also says something about the personality of someone who is willing to sleep around so much. If you want a committed relationship you don't want to be with someone who would leave you as soon as she gets turned on by some other guy.

And in any case, if you don't understand the reasoning behind that then cool, but why do you think your preference of not caring is somehow morally superior to the preference of caring? Actually I think I know why, let's get onto that now...

A sexist dating is actively irritating/harming others.

But in this context you're just talking about someone who has preferences you disagree with. If such a person were to come to you and you didn't match those preferences you don't like they would have nothing to do with you in the first place. The people they are interested in do hold to those preferences. So who is being harmed? Do you feel harmed because if more guys bought into this you wouldn't have the same wide selection of men to date that you have now? Seems selfish to me.

This is why TRP talks about feminism being the women's sexual strategy, because it's feminists telling us men shouldn't care about any of this and deserve to be shamed if they do, but without any regards to what men actually want in the dating game. If they don't want to date sluts then find other guys who don't care, and if all the guys you do want, don't want sluts, then tough shit, maybe you shouldn't have been a slut. That's life.

[–]A_Google_UserViagra0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sleeping around =/= a propensity for infidelity.

Never said not caring is morally superior, I simply can't comprehend caring. At least not as an adult. Do RPers care about past same sex partners?

Who is being harmed? Well no one if RPers were up front about their preferences and obtained consent. Instead one finds many how-tos for 'dominating' strangers in a bar. Or how to keep a girlfriend in line. Yadda yadda. If from the start you made it clear you prefer a subservient woman or dom/sub relationship then fine. A woman can choose to be negged and manipulated and whatnot.

Feminism boils down to that, giving the woman an opportunity to choose. Not to harass preemptively in the off chance she's into it.

My feminism isn't a 'sexual strategy', it is an offshoot of my egalitarianism. It's incredibly dismissive to reduce an intellectual position to die hedonistic tactic. You don't know another person's drives and motives better than they do, that's just an inability to empathize. Oh and I'm a man if that changes the discussion.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sleeping around =/= a propensity for infidelity.

It certainly shows a lack of commitment and a probable increase in impulsivity - which, in turn, does imply a higher likelihood of infidelity - compared to someone who did not sleep around.

I apply the same standards to men and women. I as a man do not sleep around, so I expect my partner to be the same. In fact I've never had sex outside a relationship. This is not true for most red pillers obviously, but I am not a red piller. Incidentally I do also agree many red pillers are hypocritical expecting to get a woman with low partner count when they do not hold themselves to the same standard. They're still allowed to have that standard if it's what they want, and that's my main point here, but yeah it's a double standard and one I personally do not hold.

Never said not caring is morally superior, I simply can't comprehend caring. At least not as an adult.

See the way you phrase this absolutely does suggest you are claiming moral superiority. "I'm a grown up unlike these guys! /r/iamverysmart so I wouldn't even care if I married a woman who fucked over 100 guys that's how much of a grown up I am! Did I mention I'm a grown up and I'm smart?"

Do RPers care about past same sex partners?

I dunno, ask 'em. Probably yes because the things I said above are the factors that influence their concern over this and they apply regardless of the gender of the previous partners.

Who is being harmed? Well no one if RPers were up front about their preferences

So no one then, considering that when TRP talks LTRs it always suggests asking the woman about previous sexual partners (which, you know, kind of tips her off that you care about it) early on before you get too invested.

and obtained consent.

What, they gonna find out your sexual history without your consent? You worried about dating Sherlock Holmes?

Instead one finds many how-tos for 'dominating' strangers in a bar.

Here you are conflating the pickup advice and the relationship advice. I thought we were talking about previous sexual partners in a relationship? At least stay on topic.

Or how to keep a girlfriend in line.

Women discuss this type of shit about their boyfriends all the time, what's the problem?

If from the start you made it clear you prefer a subservient woman or dom/sub relationship then fine.

TRP is mostly about traditional relationships which is a different thing from BDSM. They could very well incorporate BDSM as well but again you are conflating two different concepts.

Feminism boils down to that, giving the woman an opportunity to choose.

But mocking men if they want the same?

My feminism isn't a 'sexual strategy', it is an offshoot of my egalitarianism.

The views you've put down here don't sound that egalitarian to me. You come across as more of a white knight or "nice guy", putting women on a pedestal and treating them like princesses while flogging yourself and ensuring them you're not like these other men.

You don't know another person's drives and motives better than they do, that's just an inability to empathize.

Don't think I ever claimed I did. What I said is that certain actions imply certain things to me and as a result I would avoid getting into relationships with people who carry out certain actions. We all have the right to do that.

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[–]taiboworksrational idealism > toxic egoism-2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

here's where I differ with most of the liberal leaning people of reddit, cream always rises to the top at least eventually. That's the joy of capitalism

you mean eventually like in a few generations? because that's how long it took black baseball players to be fairly represented talent wise. and it would have taken longer without the civil rights movement.

My physical attraction increases for a woman who chooses not to have sex so i t is in my intererest.

so you find a 6/10 virgin more arousing to look at than a 10/10 female that's had an unknown number of partners? how do you verify partner count?

I demonstrated that there is no harm to your not all accurate analogy of someone always preferring whitey so no one should care about it.

so there was no harm to black players not allowed to play in the major leagues?

[–]sumant28[S] 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

you mean eventually like in a few generations? because that's how long it took black baseball players to be fairly represented talent wise. and it would have taken longer without the civil rights movement.

If you really want to go down this road at least try to come up with something that's happening now or at least recently. It's just lazy reasoning on your part trying to box me into a corner by presupposing that we live in the same world now that we did before the civil rights revolution.

so you find a 6/10 virgin more arousing to look at than a 10/10 female that's had an unknown number of partners? how do you verify partner count?

You've been here long enough to know that the criteria for hook ups is different to that for LTRs for RPers. Your ignorance here is inexcusable. Realistically speaking I would marry a virgin 6.5/10 (this is my minimum level of attractiveness for marriage) over an 8/10 with ~20 hook ups at age 25.

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If you really want to go down this road at least try to come up with something that's happening now or at least recently. It's just lazy reasoning on your part trying to box me into a corner by presupposing that we live in the same world now that we did before the civil rights revolution.

ok, what year did things become fair enough for your capitalism solves everything statement to be accurate? do you acknowledge the need for the civil rights movement in speeding up changes in an unjust society?

You've been here long enough to know that the criteria for hook ups is different to that for LTRs for RPers. Your ignorance here is inexcusable. Realistically speaking I would marry a virgin 6.5/10 (this is my minimum level of attractiveness for marriage) over an 8/10 with ~20 hook ups at age 25.

but how do you verify hookup numbers, how can you ever be sure?

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ok, what year did things become fair enough for your capitalism solves everything statement to be accurate? do you acknowledge the need for the civil rights movement in speeding up changes in an unjust society?

Pinning it down to an exact year may be difficult since I think society moved gradually to the meritocratic egalitarianism I believe we live with now. It's hard because not only does society need to change but people need to grow into adults for that change to have any effect. I'd be happy with any example you come up with around the 1980's because from what I've heard the entire decade of the 70's were an adjusting period for race relations.

I'm adamant for example that the people blaming the Trayvon Martin and Ferguson shootings on the kind of racism that existed pre civil rights are off the mark.

but how do you verify hookup numbers, how can you ever be sure?

There have been threads about this. Most people aren't RP and would simply blurt it out. You can also come across as sex positive and say you actually prefer a high number and see what you get from there. Also compare with asking around with her friends.

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Men can desire and order anything they want, as can a woman. That's feminism.

No it's not. I beg you, ask feminists what they think of men desiring women who are

slim, pretty
younger than they're themselves
no promiscuous past (bonus points for virginal)
willing to have sex with him whenever he wants
housewives/not career-oriented
submissive

The reaction you'll probably get from them will be outrage and resorting to shaming through all avenues open to them (like online forums or media outlets); and they stop at that because they can't actively forbid it, though I have no doubt that quite a bunch of the weirder ones would do even that if they could. But the bottom line is: if everything went their way, men would not have these standards/preferences. That's not exactly what I'd call acceptance.

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TRP has absolutely nothing to do with forcing women into the type of relationship they discuss.

That's simply untrue if you actually visit the sub. When it's not an overt "how to make her submit" guide, it's a biotroofs about how all women want to be dominated (so consent to it is inherent/hard-wired).

But that's not my point. My point is TRP is (at best) about fetishizing traditional (oppressive) gender roles. That's why the sub is so openly misogynistic and politically conservative.

If you find a gal into the same kink/values (RPW) then okay, but the problem is when someone ISN'T into that she is at worst tricked into it (no consent) but more likely ridiculed. Cock carousal riding gerbals, betas yadda yadda, rather than someone who has a different preference.

It's also a typical right wing defense to say "I just want the choice" (see: creationism, gay marriage, abortion, etc), but it's rarely about that when you look at in-group discussions.

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Can you link me to examples of what you're actually talking about regarding TRP encouraging people to "trick" women into relationships?

Progressive gender roles don't exist, what you're referring to is a lack of gender roles. There is a lot of aggression against this on TRP and to be honest I agree that this is not warranted. People should choose whatever makes them the happiest.

However I feel the other side needs to acknowledge the same is true for traditional gender roles instead of labelling them "oppressive" and hating on men and women who choose to live by them. Most of the hate my gf has received for being submissive in our relationship has come from feminists. She does not discuss our relationship with her friends because she knows they will hate on her for her choices. And that is every bit as shitty and TRP acting hostile towards the opposite, except the shit my gf gets is a lot more of a common attitude.

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Here's a classic.

She may be trying to shift the power dynamic in her favor

she is insecure suddenly about the unique nature of your sexual relationship.

Note the lack of "just ditch her" in the comments.

I'm glad we found some common ground. It's important to remember feminism isn't one big ideology, there are several movements within it. The most recent variant, which I subscribe to, endorses personal choice. A woman can choose anything as long as it is not oppressing someone else. In other words, everyone can define their own gender how they please. More traditional views ("anti-lipstick" feminists) want to eliminate gender alltogether, but they just create a new hierarchy and suffer from issues such as transphobia and white-centrism.

I think the concern with RPW, is that they might be attracted to abusive relationships. It's similar to smokers getting harassed for smoking. Well intentioned but patronizing.

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majority of women prefer the company of strong (mentally and physically) men

People prefer healthy and intelligent people. I don't think this is gender specific.

having a low partner count shows she has standards and values her body and acknowledges that it inherently has value to men

And this isn't true in the reverse roles? Does a man having sex not value his body? I mean it's sex, not self-mutilation haha.

And "inherently"? There is no "inherent" value in anything. Many people value more experienced partners. Feels good, man.

can choose monogamy just as he can choose not to be in a monogamous relationship

I don't really understand this one. How would one not be able to choose this? You just date more or fewer people.

she should stop blaming him for every issue without looking at herself first.

Again, this isn't a gendered issue. One needs to avoid excessive blaming in a relationship. Hell, blame is a sign of having a combative dynamic which means shitty communication.

This also reads like "don't question me, I know better than you".

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People prefer healthy and intelligent people. I don't think this is gender specific.

Never said it was gender specific, I'm just focusing on the female side. It was in response to the whole "women should submit" thing. Women are predominantly submissive in bed, 1 in 3 admits to rape fantasies, romances everywhere depict traits of "alpha men" whose only weakness is the protag. Women want a stronger man, stronger men tend to lead.

this isn't true in the reverse roles?

It depends on the man. Is he very selective but still attractive? Then yes, a low count would be a plus.

There is no "inherent" value in anything.

That would be your opinion, which I disagree on.

I don't really understand this one.

It was in response to the "women shouldn't want monogamy" statement you made, implying all RPers think that way. People can choose whatever kind of lifestyle they want. You don't have to be with someone who doesn't want monogamy. You don't have to be with someone who wants monogamy. RP isn't saying "All women must participate in threesomes!"

Again, this isn't a gendered issue.

No, but that's the focus of RPW, and again, I'm focusing on the women's side. Look at yourself first, because you can't change your SO. If you are making a mountain out of a molehill then get over yourself and deal with it. If it is a real problem, go to him and talk about it, figure it out. Also, feminism sucks, stay in shape, and don't be a harpy. That's RPW.

This also reads like "don't question me, I know better than you."

You made an assumption that RP makes this-and-this assertion. I was rebutting that assumption.

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Of course rape fantasies don't mean you want to be raped. The idea behind it in my view is that the fantasizers want to be so desirable to a (high value) man that he will lose control completely and have to have her. There's outliers to that but it all comes down to being overpowered and submitting.

This preference seems rooted in insecurity.

This has been addressed so many times here I'm not even going to bother. Also, proficiency in bed has little to do with number count, male or female. It comes down more to enthusiasm and comfort level with your own body.

I can't help but ask for your reasoning.

My personal opinion on it is that all human life has intrinsic value. Women, who bear children and continue life, have additional intrinsic value. Children who have just begun their life have even more intrinsic value. Men who protect and cherish women and children should be treated damn well by the women in their life, because that is a quality to take pride in. It's a trade-off, and value can be waived or increased by actions. Again, just my opinion.

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In my experience, people buy up these kinds of comments because they don't sound offensive. I think you're responding differently because you're already aware of the normal language we use.

The issue is asserting that women should have less agency and "submit" to the man's will. She should be a virgin (some sort of retroactive loyalty?), she shouldn't want monogamy, she should prioritize her man's individuality over her own desires.

This could similarly be re-worded:

Women really look up to a man that can assertively display confidence and take care of things. A woman that chooses only one man to share her intimacy with is sharing something special. It's admirable that she would choose to make her man the most important person in her life that way. A woman who acts in a selfless manner is a truly commendable person, something any marriage-minded man would respect greatly.

People dislike TRP because of the way we say things, not the message itself.

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