I want to be a RPW but the adage that men are more logical doesn't really resonate with me. I'm interested in PPD's thoughts on the topic especially any RPW if they're here.

CFRProflcopter · 2014-11-13T02:19:19+00:00

Maybe you should give us a bit more information. Why do you want to be a RPW? What is your goal?

17b29a · 2014-11-13T02:26:15+00:00

Adopt whatever resonates with you instead, then? I'm not sure what your issue is.

MissPearl · 2014-11-13T02:58:41+00:00

Psst, they aren't.

You can get into all sorts of gender related slap fights over who can do what, but for all men often get good results on logical reasoning tests, they are also more strongly effected by impulsivity. So it all comes out in the wash.

I like men. Men are awesome. They are not however, anything other than human. You can if you wish find a man who is more "logical" by how you define it, and assuming he wants you, have fun and he'll probably enjoy the pampering.

SquidwardsEuphoria · 2014-11-13T22:54:51+00:00

This is pretty much the whole reason I'm not RPW. I wanted to find some female version of TRP that focused on self-improvement, acknowledging that men are by and large shallow and looks-oriented while giving practical, ugly-but-true tips for keeping a man and having a happy marriage. But RPW often seems to be more about atoning for the original sin of being born female, as well as actually trying to give the man the upper hand in the relationship, which isn't really my thing at all. Sure, I like to be with a confident and assertive man but if I had the lower hand in the relationship I'd be miserable because I'd constantly worry about him leaving me. It'd be nice for him but sucky for me, so why would I aspire to that?! Plus I'm pretty sure I already have the lower hand in my marriage, which is the only problem I have with our marriage. I'm also not buying the RPW assertion that women are (in so many words) inferior to men, less honorable than men, or prone to cheating any more than men are. In fact I am almost positive men cheat the same or more than women and our goal should be to prevent it. Kinda like TRP....

And while I prefer semi-traditional gender roles for myself, I don't think it's my place to push them on other people. So, no RPW for me. Still searching for this magical semi-RP forum for women.

nomdplume · 2014-11-13T16:10:30+00:00

Personally, I think that this adage only applies specifically to sexual/romantic dynamics, and even then represents a tenuous generalization.

When people are in love/lust, they DO NOT operate logically with regards to the object of their affection. They get swept up in the emotions of the moment. They make utterly illogical decisions (for example, "I know he/she is no good for me, but I just can't help myself! I want him/her soooo badly!").

This applies to both men and women, but since RP is focused on maximizing the man's role in a sexual dynamic, it's prudent to remind men that they are not dealing in the realm of logic (things that should make sense, don't) but of emotion. Given that, taking the logical approach to the dynamic will never yield the same results as taking a more emotions-based approach.

Also, women (and men, but RP isn't concerned with them) who are perfectly logical in the rest of their life will act like giggly schoolgirls when it comes to sex and love. Perhaps even moreso than men.

Being in an open relationship for many years, I saw this at play with my wife, who is, in her day-to-day existence, a woman who prizes logic and stoicism and strength in herself more than any other woman I know. But, in the heat of the moment with an object of desire, she became, yes, a weak-willed, emotional little spaghetti noodle. It was hilarious (and, sometimes, a little disconcerting - I wasn't used to having to step in and help direct her towards her goals, lol).

OfSpock · 2014-11-13T02:21:12+00:00

It's not the bible, you dont HAVE to believe that. Just understand that men on the whole perceive women on the whole as such. Also, I think they use "logical" to mean "rational" as opposed to emotional, not logical as in math or argumentation. I think most women reading trp dont understand what the AVERAGE every day hot young girl that men are trying to hook up with is like and takes TRP too personally, especially reddit girls, who seem to be at the far right tail of the bell curve more often than not.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-11-13T03:19:03+00:00

Men are to some degree encouraged to be more logical than women by society.

Society rarely discourages women being illogical.

Women and men are all humans and thus all have the capacity to be rational. Women simply aren't trained in rationality. They're never told to ignore their emotions and think; they're encouraged to throw temper tantrums until someone soothes their feels.

Not that men are necessarily trained to be rational. Rationally-tempermented, levelheaded men are rarely sex symbols. We have entire subcultures based on mostly-males with intellectual temperaments who get socially ostracised for thinking too much and not fitting in (nerd culture, essentially), and traditional masculinity is full of brutish tribalistic dumb-jock behaviour which hardly involves anything logical.

I'm neither Redpill (although I think RP is partially correct to some degree) nor a woman, but I don't think women are naturally less rational than men. They are, however, clearly less encouraged towards rationality than men (e.g. "don't sound so smart! You'll scare boys away!"). I'd chalk up the rationality gap primarily to culture, not nature.

GayLubeOil · 2014-11-13T02:48:20+00:00

Men are also stronger than women but that doesn't mean ALL men are stronger than ALL women.

SirNemesis · 2014-11-13T04:32:18+00:00

Men are in general somewhat more logical than women. That said, the women at RPW are not representative of most women, and most of them are probably significantly more logical than the average man.

fiat_lux_ · 2014-11-13T07:05:28+00:00

I don't sympathize with this desire to make oneself fit the standards of a label, especially on such a detailed level.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2014-11-13T19:04:54+00:00

It seems to me that on average, men are more concerned with logical propositions when making romantic decisions (Does she have a boyfriend? Does she want children? Is she a gold digger?), whereas women are more influenced on average by emotional concerns (Do I feel happy? Do I still feel that spark? Why do I feel sad when he is around? Why do I feel anxious about our relationship?).

That doesn't mean that this is true 100% of the time. There are certainly logical women out there, and certainly emotional men.

cxj · 2014-11-14T06:23:08+00:00

IMO this is more of a social conditioning issue. In my experience women are rational when they are forced to be by circumstances. This doesn't happen very often because girls are bombarded with so much attention in their teenage/young adult years that they never have to learn to be, so when they do its either because they were driven internally to be rational or forced to for some reason.

autowikibot · 2014-11-19T01:47:44+00:00

Men are more likely to be systemizers whereas women are more likely to be empathizers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathizing%E2%80%93systemizing_theory

That doesn't mean than any particular person is going to be one or the other based on their gender, just like men on average are taller than women but there are many, many cases of women who are taller than the average man and men who are shorter than the average woman. A generalization (assuming it is actually correct) tells you something about populations, not individuals.

namae_nanka · 2014-11-13T07:02:41+00:00

Reasoning from emotion vs. emotion from reasoning.

adrixshadow · 2014-11-13T08:55:17+00:00

With that statement you aren't very logical(rational), because it makes no sense.

No amount of RP or non-RP or whatever will make a person logical or not, you either are logical or you are not.

This is the case for men, they either are or they are not.

First inform yourself of what logic means, apply it to yourself and question how you handled a situation, event or conversation.

If you find that its logical, congratulations, if not questioning yourself will get you to be more logical.

Also no amount of believing will make you more logical, you may think you are a logical person but in reality be the farthest from it, rationalization is the opposite of logic.

_pomona_ · 2014-11-13T02:43:31+00:00

You will have to define what you think logical is and provide some examples. Personally as a man I would say it has to do with hormone levels and how they affect your decisions. Mens hormone levels affect them and cause them to want to fuck woman. In a mans mind this is logical. When a man observes a woman going crazy because of her hormones there does not appear to be a clear goal on why they are acting why they are so it appears illogical to a man. I imagine you have an opposite conclusion based on your point of view.

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