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[Mod] On the future viability of the sub...

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February 5, 2015

Just wanted to put a quick note up, since there's been a lot of rumor and talk spreading about the impending demise of TRP.

First of all, I don't think we're going anywhere any time soon. We follow Reddit rules, and even enforce some stricter rules that aren't necessary according to Reddit's base rules.

We don't brigade, we don't link, we don't doxx, and we don't harass anybody.

We don't advocate breaking the law, nor do we discuss ways to do it.

There really isn't a problem as far as I've seen. The admins have been in contact with us whenever there is a problem, and we've resolved them quickly without fuss.

But, since there is some level of panic, I will reiterate our backup plans:

  • Meet at http://puerarchy.com
  • A link to new forums will be posted there.
  • No, we will not be opening new forums until such an event occurs. We are TheRedPill subreddit, the entire point was to be a subreddit. There's no need to relocate unless this becomes a problem.
  • Archives of our greatest posts are being made and kept in case of trouble.

If anybody has programming skill and wants to help with the automated backup of threads, I would be most appreciative. We've had limited success up until now.

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Title [Mod] On the future viability of the sub...
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 304
Comments 69
Date 05 February 2015 04:38 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/28809
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2uvv54/mod_on_the_future_viability_of_the_sub/
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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan94 points95 points  (11 children) | Copy

The hypothetical demise of the sub would lead to a power vaccuum where various people scramble to open up their own forums hoping to cash in on the fall of TRP, effectively setting up shop over it's corpse. As such, I recommend some kind of mailing list being made available on puerarchy, that way in a worst case scenario people can be e-mailed/kept in the loop. I looked for a mailing list on puerarchy myself and couldn't find one. Knowing you can e-mail everybody when you have alternative arrangements made would assuage a lot of fears. I have close to 2,000 followers across twitter and my blog so I could get the word out to a fair number of people in whatever hypothetical apocolyptic scenario occurs, however that's a drop in the water considering we're at just beneath 96,000 members as I write this.

Anyway, good to hear from you RPS. The people are quick to scare and want assurances "TRP isn't going anywhere" if the worst were to happen. Evidence of a backup plan or a plan of action (like when there's a fire in a building: everyone head to the evacuation point outside the church on the corner!) It's also important to add this subreddit makes reddit a fair bit of cash, my comments alone have probably made reddit a couple of hundred dollars. Considering the other ECs gilded posts and the odd gild for a random member here and there and we've probably made reddit thousands of dollars in reddit gold subscriptions. There is a financial disincentive to close such an active sub where people are gilded. As long as we stop the obvious shills and trolls trying to paint a target on our back and don't harass/directly engage with other subs (TwoX being the major one that comes to mind) then everything should be fine.

Edit: typo

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 32 points33 points  (6 children) | Copy

[–]IDefyAxioms9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

How are the e-mail addresses being stored? I would hope not in plaintext. If so, encouraging TRP members to set up a burner e-mail solely for TRP (similar to a reddit account), would be paramount. Personal/work/e-mails with history set yourself up to be doxxed easily when stored in Plaintext. Happens in blackhat forums, torrent trackers, and the Darknet (SR1/2 anyone?) with fair regularity.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

You've got a good point.

I'm modifying the script to use AES. Stand by.

[–]ModAerobus10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'd feel more comfortable, for security purposes, if you run it through AES and then another encryption, say twofish. Finally, hash the passwords (whirpool should be good) and salt them for extra protection.

Paranoid? Probably. But I don't want some SJW retarded exposing our identities.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

personally I would make a burner email and just have it forward to my real one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's run by phpList which doesn't list encryption on their site as a feature so it should be assumed addresses are stored in paintext.

[–]Position5hero25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy

Right- but while TRP makes reddit money, reddit will hose it if it decides we lose them more money than we make.

Reddit's target user is a beta men and SJW type women- these are the core of the site, with exception to a few subs (TRP, Fitness, Bodybuilding, Fat logic, others).

If enough of these wastes of space stop using the site and buying their plebbit gold with their obesity disability money and daddy's paychecks, and reddit decides that we are hurting the bottom line- the sub is gone.

Reddit is a business- and the goal of a business is to make money. Nothing wrong with that, but it's no reason to feel falsely secure.

I've been saying for a while, to the mods: if Reddit does decide to shitcan the sub, that means y'all make money. Lots of money.

Throw the site on somewhere, put ads, rake in the dollars.

Essentially there is nothing to worry about even in the event that the sub dies, for the mod staff, or the users.

[–]FatStig 20 points20 points [recovered] | Copy

Fat logic is mostly fatties talking about larger fatties. /r/fatpeoplehate is where the real shitlording happens.

[–]Position5hero8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I posted something about TDEE and cut/bulk advising some skeleton that if you are trying to bulk and can't get the calories, you should just pick a good BB food, like Chicken breast or brocolli, and you gotta stuff yourself in 1 min, cause your brain needs 1 minute to realize it's full....

The response was downvotes and angry posts from people that fear food... food is a damn tool, and it turns into either muscle or fat depending on what you do (sit on the couch or weight lifting on a solid routine)

Then they tried to tell me women don't like muscular men and that skinny was the optimal body type for women meanwhile their wives are touching themselves to pics of bodybuilders

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

various people scramble to open up their own forums hoping to cash in on the fall of TRP

No doubt this would happen, alas they'd be retards rushing to have their own lives ruined. People under-appreciate the level of assurance a well known entity like Reddit provides in terms of anonymity. Unless subscribers' individual PCs (a tall order) or Reddit itself is compromised (unlikely, then you'd be able to file a lawsuit), everyone's identity is safe unless a subpoena gets issued (being classified as a hate group is a possibility, use VPN+TOR fuckers). Alas, the true identity (ergo the user's anonymity) of subsequent "manosphere" portals would be extremely questionable.

If a community should form and gain traction despite all of the above, its founder would win the rat race & become number one candidate for the "let's find out who owns this website and ruin their life" award. Without the security an entity the size of Reddit provides, it wouldn't last: subscribers should always be wary of malicious deanonymization.

[–]ImperialRedCoder8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Really short answer to the thread from a long time lurker. As I'm posting this I already have saved posts and comments from the first 1000 posts in hot and the top 1000 all time.

I'll post the code tomorrow so anyone can save their copy in case of fatality. In the next couple of days I'll do the presentation part since the data (comments included) it's quite large: ~400MB.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy

There you go guys, a redpill mentality can be seen in something as simple as this post. There may not currently be any problems, but these guys are preparing a backup plan anyway.

Thanks for the effort you guys put into this.

[–]11001100110016 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Tom Leykis was also following the rules and not breaking any laws when he was taken off the air in Canada. He goes on to read the reasons detailed in the letter explaining why and reasons included "calling girls gold diggers" at 4:30 and many other similar comments made by him & the viewers, none of them breaking the law/rules.

Reddit hates TRP, but that's not enough. I think it would take TRP getting much more public attention like that of jailbait where people start saying "Reddit is just a place where misogynists meet and discuss how to trick girls into sex." We all know the truth of that statement, but public perception of the reddit brand matters more than reality.

Until that happens, I think TRP will stick around just so they can keep an eye on us. In the spirit of the quote:

"Keep your friends close but your enemies closer"

Right now they have a TRP in a good place. It' become a centralized hub where people who really care about what TRP is thinking/doing can come see anytime.

[–]Aiadon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We are more than 50000 and we are a big part of the public opinion and more so, a very ambitious and persevering one.

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[–]Anderfail5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I post there as well, I am sure I will be banned completely if both subreddits go.

[–]IDefyAxioms1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Funny sub; getting more Feminist by the minute, though. Shame, really.

[–]le_king_falcon5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

You'd hope it'd be something like r/greatapes or r/picsofdeadkids but alas that's too logical a target for their hate.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

God forbid we talk about science and social behaviors, but those people can be blatantly racist and murderous. That's all good!

[–]le_king_falcon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Actually doing something about genuinely racist and totally disgusting and morally wrong isn't something they care about. That shit requires morals and some level of effort that can't be attained through whiney tweets and tumblr entries.

So instead they go after that which offends their sensibilities guided by whichever sad moral feels crusade they are on.

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[–]fermbetterthanfire13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure why you got downvoted. The only thing worse than the demise the TRP would be it morphing into the very thing it's built to oppose.

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[–]yety1752 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

....there's no child porn on reddit you fuck

[–]derpendence -3 points-3 points [recovered] | Copy

Look up some definitions of "child", and some definitions of "pornography", then explain how /r/pomf is not child pornography.

Sure it is not illegal in the US or Japan, but why do you think other countries define this stuff as child porn?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are no children in that.

That's like saying illustrated murder is akin to murdering somebody and taking pictures.


[–]2dfx4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

There really isn't a problem as far as I've seen. The admins have been in contact with us whenever there is a problem, and we've resolved them quickly without fuss.

Just out of curiosity, and for transparency, how often and how frequently has this happened?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very rarely. And usually due to somebody doxxing themselves accidentally.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (18 children) | Copy

I could write a phantomjs script to extract all posts as text and their comments but I'd need a list of links. I tried using recursive wget with the --no-parent flag and some exclusions but it was A) slow and B) wandered off and extracted a bunch of irrelevant garbage. Plus a lot of it was duplicated html. edit: or there's the reddit API https://www.reddit.com/dev/api

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy

Yeah, the Reddit API seems like it'd lead to a fairly simple solution to this problem, at least for the top-voted posts.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy

I managed to use the Reddit API & python to pull 892 of the most recent posts as json files. No comments, just the posts. http://filebin.ca/1qdv5Zg27FDf/TheRedPill.zip The post text is in selftext (html in selftext_html) and the dictionary format is :

{"edited", "media_embed", "num_comments", "report_reasons", "media", "title", "name", "selftext_html", "selftext", "author_flair_css_class", "likes", "created", "saved", "subreddit", "link_flair_css_class", "gilded", "author", "link_flair_text", "hidden", "domain", "distinguished", "approved_by", "url", "id", "stickied", "downs", "created_utc", "ups", "subreddit_id", "secure_media_embed", "user_reports", "thumbnail", "archived", "num_reports", "is_self", "mod_reports", "author_flair_text", "secure_media", "visited", "score", "clicked", "permalink", "banned_by", "over_18"}

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy

If you could find a way to grab the comments at the same time, and provide me the python, I'd much appreciate it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

first you need to install praw https://praw.readthedocs.org/en/v2.1.20/ I'm using python34 but i haven't written python for nearly 4 years :\ I tried comments but I kept getting some odd ones that didn't serialize properly as json - also 503 : service unavailable errors :( anyway here's what I used http://pastebin.com/yLUn9mkm

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm intending on working heavily with the Reddit API this weekend (not really related to this), so I'll post my findings too.

[–]mustang_mike1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Check out Beautiful Soup if the API is too limiting. I've written reddit scrapers with it in Python before.

Hell, I might have the code laying around somewhere...

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Isn't Beautiful Soup only 2.x though?

[–]mustang_mike0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

As far as I know BS4 works with 2.6+ and 3, but I'm not sure. I've got 2.7 installed everywhere...


[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ok cool. I used it last like 3 or 4 years ago, so that might be why I'm thinking it only works with 2.

[–]yahyahyahya1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

In case it helps, here's a compilation of the links for the top 100 from each category.


[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Is this the endpoint you went to?


[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not terrible, I could use the json values. But I need comments too.

[–]Sketti-Os1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you're familiar with node, this seems like it'll do the trick.


Throw that mess up in a mongo database. Bitches love mongo.

It'll definitely get the recent posts down, but updating the comments real-time might prove a little rough. Requires constant scanning of every post. There's gotta be a way of scanning for just new comments as they're being posted. I can't imagine having chron tasks for every thread being a viable option.

[–]yahyahyahya0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can give you links. I have compiled a list of the top 100 posts from each category, but due to my lack of technical know-how I can only save them as PDF or HTML files.

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[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I tried this software in the past. 2 problems, #1 it will get lost on it's way to other subreddits and go forever. #2 it will get timeout errors quickly. I've tweaked the settings and I'm not entirely sure if it works right, but without using the API, the bots are limited to 1 load per 2 seconds.

[–]1TheReason138 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

Reddit thrives monetarily on the social nature of its format, social conflict between subs multiplies this tenfold. On the internet controversy is publicity, and publicity is money. There is no such thing as bad publicity. For these reasons including certain lesser reasons, such as moral ones, the big wigs will definitely be reluctant to ban this sub.

Even so it is important to remember that their reluctance does not mean our immunity, with enough pressure they will submit to the nagging of the majority, the SJW's. And if there is one thing liberals are relentlessly good at, its nagging and complaining.

Contingencies must be put into place, a direct, streamlined plan of action is of utmost importance so as to avoid post exile confusion and dilution.

One suggestion would be to include contingencies and plans of action among the side bar material in case of worst case scenario, preferably one of the first few links.

[–]Cryocasm3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

And if there is one thing liberals are relentlessly good at, its nagging and complaining.

I think this type of censorship is ridiculous. You want to censor me because I said shit you didn't like?

Well look at your sandy cunt, not even the government is this childish about it.

[–]1TheReason13-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

So easily offended and you're calling me childish. You're confusing censorship with a simple dismissal. Calm yourself down buddy.

[–]Cryocasm6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hm, you seem to have passed my writing with flying colours quite literally.

I directly referenced a bit in your text and wrote some satire about it.

You want to censor me because I said shit you didn't like?

"You" is referring to butthurt feminists and SJWs, not you, u/TheReason13.

Haven't had enough coffee today lad?

[–]1TheReason131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha, touche. Satire seems to elude me these days.

[–]NeoreactionSafe19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Marxism / Feminism only works when it's a secret.

The moment they ban a place like Red Pill (which is truthful about gender science) it becomes clear that they are the "authorities".

This is why Russian and China eventually abandoned Marxism (the lies) and just went to complete Authoritarianism. It's just easier.

The glitches in the Matrix (Feminism) will continue to grow and eventually this whole Misandry Bubble / Western Debt Bubble will collapse and we will follow China and Russia to Authoritarianism.

Red Pill as a science is eternal. (it does not care about political regimes)

It's good to hear we will be around a little longer.

[–]AntixD2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

definitely need a backup of the sub available for download

[–]SrPildoraRoja1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good to hear from MODs about this. I recognize I've been a bit paranoid... I know that we can always have a place like this anywhere else in the internet, but this sub, being here in Reddit, it feels like home to me.

[–]-Strider1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The sad thing is the reasoning for the potential demise is based upon misconception at best, and complete lies at worse. Have you ever read anybody condoning rape or domestic violence/abuse? I haven't. So that raises the question would Reddit ban purely on rumours or actually consider the content? Given past history, Reddit picks and chooses there morals as they see fit, usually inline with public pressure.

[–]soupermain1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks! You're making the world a better place!

[–]thereddespair1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hope nothing happens to the group. I really like you guys.

[–]thatisarandomtask1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why the crackdown? What did I miss?

[–]yummyluckycharms1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think getting 100k subs will be a crucial point - reddit would need to decide if we are a threat to them or not.

[–]misdis 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

You can do automatic backups using drupal and RSS. The feeds module is capable if you use feeds extensible parsers.

[–]Senior Contributorcocaine_face3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not sure why you're getting downvoted.

[–]M_rafay3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Pardon my stupid suggestion but reddit source code is freely available, yes?

If the sub got taken down, couldn't we simply make a backup reddit? And restart even freer than before?

[–]Sketti-Os4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Do you want to worry about buying a domain, worrying about any legal issues that arise, buying hosting space with a reasonable amount of scalability, fixing any bugs, ensuring 100% uptime on all content, and settling any internal disputes that may come of it? I'm sure there's more to worry about, too. But these are just a few things.

People think you can just build a webpage with no thought or effort. That's hardly the case.

[–]AntixD-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

if it's just for trp it wouldn't cost that much for hosting or management time

[–]1GreenPiller0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I sure was a nervous wreck knowing this place would be taken down, I know there are other sites full of red pill material but this place is where I swallowed that bittersweet pill and I couldn't be more grateful... thank you guys. "Ideas are bulletproof."

[–]chtrchtr_pussyeater0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wow... A subreddit that struck a chord and has testicles might be stricken... Surprise, surprise...

[–]watersign0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

the reason why the red pill may come under attack is because there is alot of racism on reddit and it is getting out of hand. not to mention the whole left wing paradigm that exists here....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I come to this subreddit maybe once a month and scope around. But if gets shut down, I'm giving up on reddit completely. Not because I'll miss the sub so much, but that's some freedom of information violation right there that I can't agree with.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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