I recently signed up as a sugar daddy, I learnt some things.

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October 20, 2019

"I had found the uber of sex at cut price discounts... seeking arrangements is the ultimate plausible deniability... the perfect loophole to unlock the majority of women to prostitution".

Before I describe things of note that I learnt... a quick summary of my circumstances in life.

I'm 33, divorced, I have a 2.5 yo son with primary custody of 4 days/4 nights per week, I'm very successful (so far anyway) at my career (Software engineer and tech stock trader), I've managed to buy my own new luxury 2 bedroom apartment (In Sydney Australia) (Despite divorce) and I own/drive my childhood dream car with the money I make.... I NEVER want to marry again and I'm unlikely to commit to a long term relationship again... but those statements are stories for another time.

I'm a good looking guy, most women I fuck tell me this... the older I get the better looking I've become...weirdly... I'm lucky... I'm not trying to boast and I know how it sounds... I never got told I was good looking until I started lifting and eating clean... I used to be skinny, pimply and pathetic... it is what it is...... anyway......... After my divorce I fucked at least 30 women in the space of 12 months on tinder,

And of those women, I briefly properly dated 2 of them, both were extremely beautiful but the problem was both (at some point) wanted to have their own families, one was 29 (Eurasian filipino/Australia) and one was 26 Turkish. The Turkish girl was the type of women a man should/could marry, she was extremely protective of her man, and extremely conservative with her man, caring about my wellbeing ... shit she'd wake up early to do my house chores and fold my clothes... I remained skeptical of her long term, but she was clearly an amazing women to have in your life as an ally and to have a family, she was very friendly and accepting of my son... but she wanted to have her own family and she wanted marriage.... as our fuckfest relationship matured this became more and more apparent... her friend inviting her back to turkey for a wedding celebration was the final straw....as she wanted me to come... as much as I knew she was beautiful and loyal and relatively untainted by western feminism... I had to cut it off sharp. I told her If I hadn't already had a son and hadn't already been married I know for a fact that I would have made a much wiser choice to be with her... anyway I can't be in a proper relationship again, the risks are simply more than I can afford to lose.

Now if you've ever been married or married/divorced... and you're a man... you will know that marriage is a stressful risky thing... to put it politely... fraught with serious life threatening risks statistically speaking... I wont go into the details but after the Turkish girl I realised I only wanted NSA with women til the day I die, so I updated my tinder profile to: "Only looking for fun, and swapped out one of my face picks for a gym abs pic at a peak abs moment." ... I reduced the maximum age from 31 to 25.... which reduced my tinder hits considerably so I rewrote it to allow for plausible deniability to: "Looking for a CoD Zombies co-op partner" which improved my ability to get the under 25 demographic around for a drink and playstation before seducing them into becoming my fuck toy for the remainder of the night.

But still I would only really be able to get 5's, 6's and 7's around on demand... I simply didn't have the genes and/or photos to attract the truly beautiful women around reliably on demand... one evening once my son was put to bed I started browsing "Seeking Arrangements"......

Suddenly a smorgasbord of 8's/9's/10's in an seemingly endless supply around Sydney was presented to me like a catalogue... almost every profile reading descriptions like "Only in it for non sexual mentorship/arrangements aka nice dinners/holidays/events"...

Could these profiles be fake? I had to understand it all entirely....

My SA profile simple said "Seeking NSA", and I messaged a handful of these women, some women messaged me... some as young as 18, but the average age around 22 years old... I told them my situation honestly... and that I wanted NSA... every single one of them was completely fine to fuck for money... or PPM . (Pay per meet) as they called it...

The epiphany moment had hit... they all have profiles that say they don't want a sexual relationship but that was to both hide their true intentions in case someone they knew found them but also to politely decline men they didnt want to fuck... I realised maybe 33% of our young women were available as whores for the right 'arrangement'.

Some women would straight off the bat say their price, I would offer half. Sometimes they wouldnt reply for a day, but they were always happy to take half price if it was a week night... on demand. They would haggle I would remain firm they would happily oblige...

For the first time in my life I was able to fuck 9's and 10's for almost no effort for 2 hours worth of after tax work... no effort at all... like watching porn but far more pleasurable.

I fucked an ex olympic russian gymnast, an 8 but her photos were a 9 and a 21yo mother of a 1yo who doesnt know who the father is... a solid 9 who had signed up 24 hours after I signed up... who charged me maybe 1/4 of the amount someone of her beauty could be charging... to this day the hottest women I've ever fucked... and may have completely destroyed my minds inclination for pair bonding forever.

It's been 2 weeks since I signed up, I'm doing a 5 day weights training regime atm, so my balls are constantly needing to be drained... so both occasions have been out of the planet amazing... each time ordering her over once my Son has gone to sleep... sharing a couple of glasses of wine and going well over time to fuck and chat and listen to music... listening to their view of the world unfiltered by any expectations...

Pure honest sex.

The one thing that I learnt scrolling through the endless sea of our next generation of girls selling themselves covertly... was how transactional their minds were about the whole process... and how indifferent their minds were to the transaction... sex was a bit of frivilous fun to them calculated not just on money but on the quality and success of the man fucking them... it wasnt just that I was paying them but that my body was that of a body builder and that my perception of success was that of at least above the average man. Women are transactional with sex... it is men who are the 'romantics'.

The transaction wasn't as simple as money for sex of course even if it was a major factor... these women still needed a certain type of seduction to open their legs (or mouth) and become my slutty cum dumpster for an evening... whereas a traditional whore would have charged 4x the amount... women on sugar daddy websites needed certain assurances if they were going to fuck, no-questions-asked, and they were prepared to take 25% the market rate if the guy was clearly trustworthy free of the more darker and questionable BDSM kinks that old school whores must generally cater to... at market rates no less....

It struck me however as I scrolled the infinite sea of women, that these women were just cute/innocent friendly looking college or traveller girls looking to make some extra cash and extra connections with some fun somewhere in between that. These were women who will certainly go on to marry our young lads of today... and be mothers and naturally divorcees expecting their child support money... it occurred to me that my ex wife was one of this type of women... another story for another time.

I've fucked 2 of them so far, but I'll fuck a lot more with my fun money before I'm done as I learn to seduce them with the whole "50 shades of grey 'just-this-once-plausible-deniability'" that they need to become whores without anyone knowing including themselves.

I've decided I'm going to fuck one 8/9/10 a week for the rest of the year as a weekly reward for my serious diet and training... as the relaxation of doing so is so superior that it lifts my mood so considerably that the risks and concerns around it are far outweighed by benefits.

What a time to be alive.

I've said it often since my red pill graduation, but the cuter/innocent she looks the more of a whore to our alpha/successful men she is... in fact she's specifically presenting herself that way to proudly and happily be a mans whore...

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Title I recently signed up as a sugar daddy, I learnt some things.
Author mickenrorty
Upvotes 360
Comments 327
Date 20 October 2019 11:06 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/291904
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[–]Modbsutansalt[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (2 children) | Copy

Women are transactional with sex... it is men who are the 'romantics'.

This goes right back to women will never love a man the way a man loves a woman. Guys are the actual romantics as you accurately pointed out.

Another way of putting it...

Men love romantically, women love opportunisticlly.

[–]ImBackBitch92620 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

After finding a escort site in my city for the first time. I realized women are whores even more. I knew one personally who I think is out to rob beta guys and I found 2 women I knew from fb who puts up a front on fb that they are good girls and want true love. Makes me sick.

[–]unn4med-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

it's just their nature man, they can't help it, same way as men have some "flaws" (this is objective of course) as well

[–]whiffofass 1 points [recovered]  (39 children) | Copy

Sounds fun. How come they charge less than prostitutes? Can you get into the actual sums?

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Because pausible deniablity is important to girls. If they see themselves as whores, it hurts their self-esteem. Being a spoiled gf is more acceptable. Plus they choose the clients, instead of the clients choosing them. You meant with them to show you are not a creep first. Also when you buy in bulk (you meet SB's more than once) you get a discount. Plus OP states he's attractive, so girls want him, the money is just a push for the girls that are too busy working otherwise.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Hungboy69694202 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Unless you pay a ton, women on that site probably aren't fucking you unless you're somewhat attractive. It's mostly looks n game and then maybe some resources on top. They are and aren't prostitutes

[–]BuzzLightGear321 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

$150 per fuck for me. Im 6/10.

[–]Hungboy69694201 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How attractive are these women ?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 72 points73 points  (31 children) | Copy

I didn't mention prices as Australian dollars and economy is unique to Australia but for shits and giggles, I'm talking about the hottest women you'd see on the streets of Sydney, would normally be anywhere from $700 to 1000 for 1-2 hours of their 'company' whereas I was able to get these girls around for $250 and $300 respectively, and they at least (Maybe they're great actors) seemed to legitimately be just looking for a few healthy and trustworthy attractive men to top up their cashflow... they still needed to feel that attraction to be DTF. I run a company and charge around $150 an hour so it works out about 2 hours of working gets 2 hours of time with the hottest cutest women I've ever seen on this earth.

They charged less because I think they found me to be good looking, fun and honest with my profile description "Seeking NSA"

[–]-MILFMilk-12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

I doubt that’s why they charged you less. You’re not the only decent looking man who lacks social skills on there. They probably SETTLED for less because you were lowballing them, despite bragging about how much money you make and all the things you can afford (evidently when it comes to where you put your cock that’s where you want a bargain - interesting). And, because you probably had already wasted a bunch of time communicating and haggling with her over a couple hundred dollars, she realized it was better to settle for you than to have to search for and vet someone else. If a girl is an, “8,9,10,” as you so eloquently call these women, I guarantee she is getting plenty of dick from guys hotter and younger than you who she fucks in her real life for free. If you believe a price “scale” is a reflection of desirability, the mere fact that you have to give her money in order to be with her tells a lot about where you land on that scale in her mind.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Sure but at least I can get her around like an Uber eats and send her on her way with no offence taken. The guys doing it for free may have different obligations

[–]michaelman5550 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No they may actually have none , she may even be all on there dicks.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you believe that then you haven’t read the sidebar.

If the guy is legit RPd, tall, good looking, confident, time available etc then yes she may be fucking him simply for pleasure,

Nothing in this life is truly free. A relationship can be the most expensive pussy a guy can have.

It’s a question of SMV. I’m a dad in his 30’s now so it’s harder for me to me the alpha male player who fucks hot insta models obligation and monetary free

[–]black-cattle9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Proud of you sir. Keep it up.

[–]thrwy754790 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably because they can divide the cost in at least 2 ways: 1) longer-term arrangements instead of a one-time encounter; and 2) they may be seeing multiple guys.

[–]jackandjill22-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thsfs a good question.

[–]Hungboy696942035 points36 points  (12 children) | Copy

Seeking has been the most inefficient market I've found. Did three months this year and banged probably 15-20, most for free/a few drinks. Some women are very aggressive and want money upfront and or just for a date. Next these girls. There are plenty of curious college girls who wanna dip their toes in the hoe waters, and this is where they go. Ive met numerous girls from prestigious universities, all saw the crazy money they could make. Tbh, most of the free ones were 6s maybe 7s. Above that , the very hot ones put up a stronger front, a reflection of my smv. The best part is most guys on there are gross and old, I'm young and attractive so I stand out. I'm talked to and met/ go on dates with significantly more women due to this site and I got Way better with women due to all the time practicing. It's basically a bootcamp for women that costs $90 a month plus some date money.

[–]Ell25099 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

What is this website, sorry?

[–]Hungboy69694209 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Seeking arrangement

[–]Ell25092 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see, thanks!

[–]jackandjill224 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Yea, I've had girls show me apps where they charge dudes for dates. That doesn't surprise me it just makes more sense why they wouldn't want to go on a regular date with guys when they could be making money sitting there at a restaurant being uninteresting.

[–]Hungboy69694209 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yep plenty of girls told me about getting a few hundred bucks and a free dinner just to talk to some guys. Very pathetic. Most are huge losers. There's also the lonely married man who just needs some to talk to because he's got a dead marriage.

[–]Kabuki4316 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

I can bet you those are full of shit. Cause that's what the website markets and advertises. Just show up for a date and get paid. No sex necessary

Ask her and she will tell her friend told her about it and she makes good money.

[–]Hungboy69694200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes they all sign up cause a "friend" did it and liked it. But sometimes it's true because I meet the friend occasionally. But also I think we're underestimating how desperate some men are and would actually do this

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No I've see it dude. My friends & I were hanging with some girls & they sent us the website on their phone. It was on his iPhone I should've asked him for it while we were there.

[–]ryasaunderox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What app??

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Next these girls. There are plenty of curious college girls who wanna dip their toes in the hoe waters, and this is where they go. Ive met numerous girls from prestigious universities, all saw the crazy money they could make. Tbh, most of the free ones were 6s maybe 7s. Above that , the very hot ones put up a stronger front, a reflection of my smv. The best part is most guys on there are gross and old, I'm young and attractive so I stand out.

I am guessing this is fantastic advice. I've not really thought of it that way. Here's the thing, I've avoided SA because at my age, 47, I'd be expected to pay.....but.....I am an Iron Church devotee and wasn't ugly to start with. What I'd be offering these broads is a young man's body with an older man's refined tastes. Netflix & chill is different when you have a functioning kitchen that produces better food (in more appropriate quantities) than most restaurants.

I'm also about 3 months from being a pretty fucking good lead dancer. The follows at my main venue are off limits, my reputation matters more than a 5% chance she'd go for it, but I'm dancing in other places more and more and it's a blast....I've been doing vintage swing but will be branching out to west coast swing next month, which is more amenable to more modern music and less experienced follows.

The dimes, nines, and eights would be unattainable because I can't even pretend to have money. But truly average girls.....I might be able to get their attention, because I'm honestly living a really fun lifestyle.

Plus.....I've never been a particularly good seducer, and at the same time I've always gone too far in relationships (those two things are obviously tied together). What I like about the idea of SA is that it's even further from Tinder in terms of taking LTR potential off the table. It oddly might be a really good way to....habituate myself to my new reality....I'm a good looking loser who's nothing but fun to women.

[–]proactive-defense69 points70 points  (4 children) | Copy

Cool, this is quite a good anecdote for AWALT. If it were edited, you could post it on the red pill sub and red pill website.

No shame in using women as they want to be used. The aim is not necessarily to be “alpha”. The aim is whatever you want. Female nature is what it is. I think a good aim is freedom from the need for validation from solipsistic women. Pay for sex, bam, none of the other, more expensive, shit to deal with. Must be fun to induce their true nature to come out. And being a sugar daddy you’ve got a nice middle ground between pickup and prostitutes. A little bit of game is there for your own enjoyment. Happy for you bro.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

I tried to post it on the main sub but it got insta deleted:

Your submission to TheRedPill has been removed. DO NOT CONTACT MODS, WE WILL NOT REVERSE THIS DECISION You have a new account with little karma. Please lurk and contribute more. READ THE SIDEBAR

[–]Modbsutansalt14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

It needs to be restructured a bit to serve as a red pill example. There are some lessons to be gleaned from this though.

[–]unn4med0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've seen many posts like these on the main sub, I believe it should be allowed on there

[–]Hydrakeen-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Better to post it here in my opinion. The real volume of need is here.

[–]furcryingoutloud41 points42 points  (19 children) | Copy

I've been using SA for several years. I will never go back to conventional fishing. Fishing has become boring, this is like going to the fish market on steroids. Though I like to have longer term arrangements, OP is spot on in his description. I've had arrangements that have lasted two years and find it impossible to complain.

It's gotten to where I ignore women on the streets now, lol. Why go through the hassle? When you do the math, it's pretty much a wash. I will tell you one thing, an LTR will cost you much, much more.

[–]Kabuki43118 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy

100% agreed and i m swaying towards same idea. Plus when you show up with new 9s and 10s every week, it boosts your smv massively in a short period of time.

[–]furcryingoutloud28 points29 points  (9 children) | Copy

A lot of younger guys here balk at "paying for sex", but unless you live on another planet, you're paying for sex no matter how you slice it. In an LTR? Yeah, you're paying for sex. Married? You paid the ultimate price for bad sex.

You have a hot, young and beautiful girl on your arm for the cost of a fine meal? Fuck yeah.

[–]Ragomai 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

You're looking at what theyre saying from the wrong point of view. Any idiot can shell out $200 and get sex. The point of RP is improving yourself and a side benefit is the women. Theres nothing wrong with paying for sex, but in terms of RP there isnt much to learn and to a lot of us its just a shortcut to avoid improving yourself.

[–]furcryingoutloud-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ok, let's delve a little deeper if you don't mind.

Any idiot can shell out $200 and get sex.

This is not entirely correct. I've sent hookers to some of my friends who never get laid and the very same hookers have come back complaining they were turned away at the door. For some men, getting laid is a process, whether it be a hooker or the girl next door, it's just too hard for them.

The point of RP is improving yourself and a side benefit is the women.

Exactly, but the women should NOT be the ultimate goal, which is why RP is wasted on many kids.

its just a shortcut to avoid improving yourself

No, it's a shortcut to getting laid. Improving yourself should be something several degrees separated from getting some pussy.

Women like money and will give you sex for it?

Yes, even that special snowflake you think you'd like to bring home to mom will give it up for the right figure.

The concept of sugar babies has been around forever. It's called marriage. Women will marry whomever they feel will give them what they believe to be a good life and most of the time this is determined by their surroundings. They pick the best suitor that is available to them in that specific time and place.

Change their environment, and the odds of her finding a new, and better suitor increase dramatically.

Also, the concept of sugar babies is not meant to find a young girl who wants to get paid for transactional sex. That's called prostitution. The concept of sugar babies is to find longer term relationships where the money conversation is transparent and not something for her to be scheming over. Which is why it's called an agreement. I usually set a monthly stipend whose amount is commensurate with the girl's value in my mind. I have had them last up to two great years. Similar to LTR's without the bullshit.

[–]Ragomai 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I think we only really disagree when it comes to paying for sex in that it CAN be used as a shortcut to avoid improving yourself, but of course this only applies to certain people. Generally speaking, you made a lot of good points and you've given me a new perspective on a few things. Thanks for that.

[–]furcryingoutloud0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think we only really disagree when it comes to paying for sex in that it CAN be used as a shortcut to avoid improving yourself

We don't disagree, but keep in mind that people who do use this for that very reason are most likely lost causes anyway. They'll never get it, no matter how much you drill it into their heads

but of course this only applies to certain people.


Generally speaking, you made a lot of good points and you've given me a new perspective on a few things. Thanks for that.

Thanks man, I'm here all week

[–]Kabuki4312 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Cause most can't afford a fine dinner

[–]furcryingoutloud9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then they're focusing on the wrong thing, don't you think?

[–]Kabuki4315 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep no doubt

[–]thrwy754790 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

younger guys here balk at "paying for sex"

Because they can't afford it.

[–]furcryingoutloud1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

LOL, yeah, to me, it feels like discussing how to get into the movies without paying...

Instead of concentrating on how to get pussy for free, they should concentrate on making money to the point where it doesn't matter.

[–]javascript_dev1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To me this is a surprising take. I get that LTRs cost money but do they really cost more than say $250 per meeting with a sugar baby? That's a lot of money too. Like $2,500/month for 10 meetings.

[–]jacklychi0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I found that many girls these days have a "feminist" mindset when it comes to paying for dates, and they pay for themselves.

How would an LTR be more expensive, please explain...

[–]furcryingoutloud0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

This always depends on how much money YOU have. During college, yeah, I can see how they will be more willing to split a bill. I'm way past college and don't dine out at cheap places, but I'd be real hard put to find a woman who can foot half the bill. And the ones I could find are definitely not ones I'd be chasing.

There comes a point in life when the money you make is directly proportional to the people who are interested in being around you. Regardless of age. It's all about the money. The more you have, the more people use it to judge you. Also the less they expect to have to pay, you know, because they can't afford it. Not to mention if you try to take someone to a cheaper place, they will balk and react badly because they want to go to where YOU go on a regular basis.

Again, this depends on the money. So if you live in a huge house, and drive expensive cars, have hired help around the house, are you going to expect your SO to foot half the bills? Usually impossible. Unless you grow into the money together and produce money at the same rate. Which is usually not the case.

So, assuming you exceed your expectations and make lots of money, you WILL be supporting your SO one way or another, and it's always cheaper to have a sugarbaby in this case.

[–]jacklychi0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

don't dine out at cheap places

Well in that case it is fair that you pay the bill, but its completely your choice.

And aside from dining out, having a huge house, car, hired help, etc. wouldn't cost you more if you share it with one more person...

[–]furcryingoutloud0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

wouldn't cost you more if you share it with one more person...

The fixed expenses don't go up and that's true. Her personal expenses have to be borne by someone. Like, her car, gym membership, clothes, salon. Plus other shit that gets added on simply because she lives there.

Basically, you can't tell people she's your SO and have her drive a beat up, junk yard fugitive and dress like a college dropout, looking like a 2 dollar hooker. You have to bring her up to your financial level. You can't wear Armani and Boss and have your SO wearing guess. So yeah, better to not have an SO.

[–]doctorlw-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I just signed up after OP's post and went through profiles, there is an honesty and directness that some of these women put in their About Me that you would otherwise never see and that is refreshing.

Further, I made a female account and went through male profiles just to see what I'd be up against. And, it's what you'd expect, most TRP'ers would be in the top 1% based on age and physique alone.

I'm currently in a committed relationship, but as soon as that is over I plan on giving this a try. I see immense potential in this.

[–]furcryingoutloud4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm currently in a committed relationship, but as soon as that is over...

You should end it now if this is how you view it.

some of these women put in their About Me that you would otherwise never see and that is refreshing

Those are mere words, they write what they think we want to read. Never pay attention to what they say or write.

[–]btrpb28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm with you bro. Similar situation. Divorced, disposable income. Place is a gold mine for a middle aged man with a career. I've paid some, fucked some for free. Had a lot of fun. And yes, you still apply RP to them.

[–]lovesprite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How do u get it for free on a sugar daddy website ?

[–]btrpb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Most women on there want some recompense. But there are girls on there that just want to date older, affluent men, or are wanting something away from their own social circumstances.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon52 points53 points  (3 children) | Copy

  1. Not a question

  2. Damned good article.

OP - stick this on the main page

[–]BloodSurgery18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

Check his profile, he tried to post it there but automod removed it cuz he has a new account.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep, I tried to post it there and not only was it deleted, it said don’t bother contacting the mods... I thought it was pretty rough to allow me to write my post and then explain its deleted and a waste of my time

[–]theadj1234 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's an automatic function due to your account being too new or too low on karma, it's to avoid bots and shills posting. It'll fix itself over time.

[–]MusicSports23 points24 points  (11 children) | Copy

These are the posts that remind me why /u/mattyanon and /u/vasiliyzaitzev pretty much never online on the weekends.

[–]450k_crackparty14 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy

Am I missing something or is this just a lot of words to say 'I found cheaper prostitutes'. Like I'm not judging the lifestyle but wtf is the point of all this.

[–]MusicSports2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

To me it makes sense because he has a child and an intese job so he doesn't have time to constantly approach. But it made me realize if you just don't have a kid you don't have to do this.

[–]Hydrakeen2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hail corporate. Yes that's what the post says. Use SA its easy

[–]lovesprite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yes it looks more like an advertisement. I made a comment against the site earlier and I was massively downvoted.

[–]Hydrakeen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We all like the idea lol.

[–]ReformSociety0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's pretty much it.

[–]jackandjill229 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

Tbh I met some girls who have an app where they charge ugly dudes for dates & they do it whatever night of the week. I mean girls in their 20s really only have their youth they're going to make sure they get "something" out of it.

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[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lulz. I currently have a somewhat brutal (and entirely self-inflicted) travel schedule. This week I'm at home base and one of my slave girls took some time off to spend with me. Outside the house, she presents as a normal, if very deferential, girlfriend, but inside? Slave collar and ankle bells. Good times.

If my teenage self knew the future he'd say, "FUUUUCK! TEACH ME HOW TO GET GIRLS TO DO THAT!" I'd reply, "But it was YOU who taught ME how to do it."

As for SA, I'm not sure it works the same way in the States. I checked it out once, some years ago out of curiosity - srsly, I am not going to sponsor some girl when I can get young women in the same age range to happily give it up for free - and the women seemed delusional to me, in terms of their ask vs their relative beauty vs reality. But hey if it works for the OP, then it works for the OP.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yup ...

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[–]CamoWoobie100006 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Im 24, ive been using SA since I was 21. I make shit for money, like not even 20k a year lol. Still able to make it work by saying the right things.

I just wear nice clothes and tell them to meet at a hotel.

Ive also talkrd to a lot of girls from mexico. A lot better value there. 250 can get you a whole weekend if you play your cards right

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[–]javascript_dev0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A lot better value there. 250 can get you a whole weekend if you play your cards right

Fuck is there any place safe to go though? After that mormon incident I'm not sure

[–]Rkingpin12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not paying for pussy (directly)

[–]furcryingoutloud-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes you are, directly or indirectly, you pay for it. The harsh part is that it costs you much more indirectly. You're welcome of course to view it however you like, but the end result is always the same. You WILL wind up paying for pussy.

[–]IamBetter285 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's end game level. At some point of smv there's just no point in dating women. Hookers 3x a week and a date every two weeks is optimal. That's why I love Germany, fine ass looking whores for the price of a few drinks.

[–]prince0verit17 points18 points  (15 children) | Copy

The really fun part is when you use all the RP skills you've learned to totally flip the script on them. I've convinced several SA chicks that I am the real prize and that they should look at my mentorship and life lessons as their "payment." It's not too hard to do either. A lot of them put "my time is valuable" on their profiles. I explain to them that their time has zero value, but mine on the other hand IS valuable because I'm the one making the money and being successful. There will be some who laugh it off and you just cross those off your list, but some will be intrigued by your alpha status and attitude and will fall right into line, as we know they are prone to do.

[–]Hungboy696942027 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep I laugh at the valuable time comment. If their time is so valuable, why you sucking dick for money?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy

I’d be curious to understand your circumstance and full context of how an interaction like you describe plays out

[–]prince0verit13 points14 points  (12 children) | Copy

It's just a matter of how good your game is and how much you believe in yourself. If you have the confidence, you can sell them anything. It's really just all the RP rules we all know about. Maintain frame, never give up your money or freedom, don't make promises or respond to ultimatums, never give free validation.

I typically agree to meet for coffee or something cheap and quick to size them up. I dress well but not so well that it looks like I am trying too hard. A nice watch is never overlooked. Good shoes are noticed too. I get there early and buy my own and leave them to fend for themselves. Some just drink water while I enjoy my coffee. I don't respond to shit questions like "what kind of arrangement are you looking for" or "how much allowance are you comfortable with." I dismiss those questions right out and tell them that I am looking for someone to mentor, someone who has ambition and can really benefit from all I have to teach her, someone who legitimately wants to better herself and isn't just looking for handouts so she can go shopping. In short, I shame them for being exactly what they are, money grubbing whores.

I tell them my time is valuable and I am not going to waste it on someone like that. Then I let them talk a bit. The really dumb ones fish around for anything at all to talk about and these are the easy pickings. I have stood up in the middle of them talking and when they ask what I am doing I say "leaving, this is boring me." They chase me out the door to try anything they can to get another shot. They are not equipped to handle this level of instant rejection. I have asked "why should I even consider continuing this any further" and have been offered free sex on the spot, which I accepted. Others will get mad and stomp off and that is fine. I still enjoyed my coffee.

The smart ones will kick back some banter of their own. They will either have or lie about having some long term goals like college or starting a business. So I listen to this for a bit and start to ask some very direct questions about their plans. College, OK... to major in what? A real degree or a bullshit waste of time? Starting a business? What kind? What's your startup strategy? What's going to differentiate you from all the other similar businesses out there? How long will you be able to operate at a loss before turning a profit and collecting a paycheck? Basically I give them a quick taste of the real world experience I have, and then I tell them I need to leave for a meeting. I usually have a text waiting for me by the time I get home. I'll set up another meeting or two, again keeping it light and cheap, and let them talk a bit more but never about money or how much help I am willing to give them. I keep it focused on their goals. If they do have an actual plan for their life, I ask questions like "what is the next step toward this goal and what are you doing to take that step?"

I offer advice on the plans, point them in other direction when appropriate, and just generally offer the guidance that and older man gave give through a lot of life experience. Once they realize I can talk for days about any of these topics they throw at me, and will give them the kind of honesty about their plans that they don't get in a world full of "believe in yourself and follow your dreams" bullshit, they can't get enough and latch on quickly. Then it's just a matter of inviting them to the house for dinner and we will start fucking that night. I've had a couple of them in my rotation for over a year.

I also try to actually educate them on RP philosophy as well. Over time across many conversations, I'll slip in all the facts about how they are throwing away their only real valuable commodity and that when they hit the wall in about 5 years they will look back on these years with regrets. I teach them how to actually be with a man and make that man actually want to spend time with them. I teach them that a happy man is a happy relationship, but a happy woman is a miserable man. I deprogram all the feminist bullshit they have been fed their entire lives and make them realize they are not special at all, and acting like they are is not going to get them where they want to be in life.

It's a bit more work than just spinning regular plates, but it's fun and very good practice in keeping your skills sharp. The girls are significantly more attractive too. Just about every whore has a guy she's handing her money over to. Be that guy, not the one giving her the money. In these "arrangements" situations, one of you is going to be the mark. Make sure it is never you.

We're better than that. We are the prize, not them.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha that’s worthy of its own analysis and TRP post, very interesting!

[–]ReformSociety2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol so you're a whore-messiah. Saving lives one thot at at a time.

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

My nigga...yes. All of these comments in defense of paying for pussy were making my brain hurt. An eloquent and in depth analysis of what you do. You should teach OP some stuff so he can stop paying for pussy like a bitch.

[–]LordFlakkko1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Please post more about your expirences

[–]EmilieBabie-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy

I am not a part of “the bowl” however I do have a two friends who are and I promise to show them your comment just so they know exactly what type of mind games not to waste time on for when they do actually hit the jackpot, I usually benefit from perks/fruits of their forbidden labor 😅

One of them actually fell for what seems to have been your method. Not cool dude. Took her months to unravel that mess and I still don’t think she has made sense of it nor understands what type of brainf#ck she was subjected to. Honestly, it didn’t click for me either until I read your post. I hope this will shed some clarity for her. She is actually a really sweet girl but got left with broken self esteem and a beat up p#ssy 😅

The other one had an instance where a prospective SD promised her heaven on earth, slaughtered her confidence, somehow f#cked her (I still don’t understand how that happened) and then had the audacity to deposit $100 in her bank account — I didn’t want to laugh in front of her but I did when I left to “take a phone call”. Lord forgive me please. Some crazy stories seem too crazy to be real until you have a devastated girlfriend bailing on a trip last minute because the Sugar Daddy turned out to be an extra Spicy Daddy lol Whoever you were, Sir, thanx to you my share of the villa the rest of us had rented turned out to be over a thousand bucks. Screw you 🤣🤣🤣

You are a savage and I don’t agree with most of what you say and definitely am appalled by your wicked intention but somehow I f*cking love it all .

This red pill, blue bill, RP stuff is new to me and honestly I don’t think anyone should view opposite sex dynamics that way although it is totally within one’s right. Has it ever occurred to you that women just like men just want to be happy? We are all individuals with unique characteristic thus there are infinite ways to achieve that happiness ? No need to be bitter. Sometimes you are mismatched and if you are lucky you eventually find the perfect partner for you. It is never so black and white. What is black and white to me is the schemes that you guys run on these poor girls are sadistic. Has it occurred to you that some men are actually happy to help these girls attain their goal even if that is conditional on burying their d#cks in them? A lot of people who became very successful recognize it might not have happened if it wasn’t for help from someone in particular. Does it really matter what type of help ? Let them have it how they like it and honestly. It doesn’t harm anyone who isn’t involved (aside from the potential broken marriages and homes but that is a whole other topic— they are unwilling participants often turned into collateral damage sadly).

Thank you reddit for opening up my eyes to these gems. Go out for a walk guys, breathe! The world is a wonderful place full of good and not so good people. You don’t have to be the latter !

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

News flash, women are never happy long term, it’s in their nature to always want more, the majority of divorces are from women for that reason.

The red pill is just a study of the truth. Blue pill is the practice of ignoring it.

Further more, depression amongst western women is sky rocketing year on year... women don’t know what they want, and they chase short term pleasure which leads to long term depression. Just observe the endless sea of single 30+ yo on tinder frustrated by men no longer wanting to commit.

It’s not that men are afraid of a strong women, they want to avoid insufferable women

[–]EmilieBabie-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You pride yourself on receiving discounts from women that you classify as hookers. You caring about what they think, it bringing pride to you and furthermore handing them your money regardless of the fact that they are 10s and leave promptly technically goes against you Red Pill logic. I understand that you have a son but the facts of the matter remain the same.

You are making broad over-generalizations — “women always want more / are never happy long term / don’t know what they want” (although those ones clearly tell you what they want, a set amount of money and some type of chemistry, which you promptly nickel and dime) — and calling an opinion a study of the truth. There is no helping you see it from another perspective thus I forfeit my case...

I hope that one day you forgive your ex-wife and allow yourself to enjoy the pleasures of honest companionship.

I don’t know whether you are intentionally being funny but you are free to return to delivering terrifying but quite comical statements, I’ll be enjoying while slowly shacking my head.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m going to conclude this with, you should watch Jordan Peterson’s lectures on gender studies

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you dont mind my asking, how did the sugarbaby community stumble on to my TRP post? Purely out of interest

[–]EmilieBabie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Honestly I am not sure how I ended up here.. even less so how the sugarbaby community did however I clicked on a post related to them prior to ending up here. I kind of click on random stuff that looks interesting on reddit but I still don’t understand how subreddits etc work... sorry pal

[–]Time_Animal_4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've been thinking about writing a near future novel where all sex is regulated by seeking arrangement like contracts. Lots of implications. Men no longer exercise or purchase material wealth as they just pay for sex. Everyone is miserable past 50. Women all have plastic surgery. Most high quality women get picked up by 14 by the richest men. Verified 3rd party sites that have everyone's every statistic

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It may unfold that way... but then again so many other aspects of society are changing it’s becoming increasingly difficult to understand where we will head

[–]UniqueAway8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy

Two questions...

Do you ever miss the Turkish girl?

And I don't want to be the dealbreaker but what about std's? If those girls are down to have sex for money this fast then they are fucking others too, I don't see no difference between those girls and a prostitude, probably they are a bit more picky and yes, this lowers the chances of std's but you talk like you do all the crazy shit with them, do you use condoms?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I miss her but even she would have been a roll of the dice in a long term relationship... and the odds of success in the long term lowered when I have a son and my commitments to him meaning things like holidays and living location are limited... as much as I liked her... I think even that relationship was doomed... I just cut it off before any real damage could be done.

Regarding STDs, condoms and only fuck heathy, happy, drug free beautiful women to reduce risk.

I don’t consider porn/abstinence a good option

[–]RileysRevenge0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Not OP, but I’ve missed good gf’s I’ve had in the past. Sometimes way more than I care to admit, but that doesn’t mean that TRP isn’t the way life really is and needs to be. All girls, even the most conservative good girl, expects to be courted with nice dinners, gifts, time, etc.... some more than others. All of these things are transactional interactions. It’s the way society is setup. It’s what a “gentleman” is supposed to do to show he’s a worthy suitor. These women are just more upfront and realistic about it and call it what it is. In a way, these women are actually more honest as to how dating really is.

Regarding STDs, I’m gonna say what most people don’t want to acknowledge: STDs are a human condition, just like the common cold, the flu, etc. If you’re sexually active, unless you are only having sex with virgins (not possible or desirable really) you’re opening yourself up to the possibility of STDs. For the most part condoms help, but many can be transmitted beyond what a condom protects for (pelvic contact, etc).

This is just something you should accept. The silver lining is, aside from HIV- most are temporarily, curable, or not that bad in reality. The stigma of STDs is far, far worse than any disease you may catch. Hell, even HIV is treatable these days. Also, it’s pretty much only prevalent in the gay community or porn industry.

My advice is to just be as safe as possible and have fun. Don’t worry yourself into misery. Enjoy life. If you catch something, get it checked out, treated, and move on. That’s realistically what everyone does anyways.

The worst STD is an unexpected baby, so that’s what you should really be concerning yourself with.

[–]AwarenessOfAwareness 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Never knew HIV is treatable now.

[–]RileysRevenge0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, well I mean look at Magic Johnson. He's still alive and thriving. It's expensive, but treatable.

[–]AwarenessOfAwareness 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

It was such a good method of global population control, especially in useless poor countries. Hope the cure is expensive as fuck and inaccessible for most people.

[–]RileysRevenge0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My dude...

There's Lyme disease, diarrheal disease, Malaria, Tuberculosis, cancer... plenty of shit we haven't cured. Life is hard in 3rd world countries. You didn't get to pick where you popped out- you could have been born there. I would never wish that you die of any of those diseases, especially not HIV/AIDS.

We should be hoping all of these diseases get cured and everyone's able to thrive. That's what will make a better world to live in, not some crabs-in-the-bucket mentality.

[–]PhaedrusHunt3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Jeez reminds me of David Choe on JRE. He got to REALLY understand women once he had a zillion bucks

[–]RileysRevenge2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

That was a particularly great episode- now that you mention it, I’m gonna go back and listen again.

He has a shockingly honest and open regard to how “dating” and women really are. He’s almost certainly red-pilled to the core by this point. Also Dan Bilzerian. Dude is TRP personified.

[–]PhaedrusHunt5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I agree. Dan Bilzerian doesn't seem like a happy person though TBH. Fucking that many women seems like work lol He seems like someone that REALLY wishes the BP dream were true, but he's come to terms with it.

Choe is just a filthy pussy hound lol

[–]lovesprite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What are some good jre episodes on seduction/red pill?

[–]PhaedrusHunt0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hell I don't know that's not why I listen.

He had Chris Ryan on several times who wrote sex at dawn. Not pick up stuff but you'll understand more about human nature

[–]BaconLettuceTomatos3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the post! Im recently single, 29, with a child, good paying job, been told im handsom and good looking. Not really looking for anything seriouse, I like to spend most my time with my daugther and doing hobbies. Problem is im sure lazy, I wont shave for months, no haircut, wear whatever is comfey, ect. Maybe I need to start stepping my game up and trying this. My last partner never cared about money, never asked me for any, never asked how much I made. Im finding girls now asking me how much I make, Is my truck and house paid off... So I complely aggree with females being transacional.

[–]PerplexingPegasus_3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nice. Now I’m imagining I can have all of this without the child or divorce status. Not a knock to you OP, I’m just a young guy trying to learn from my elders.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m the biggest critic of my own actions on the topic of marriage... no offence taken... I want those coming up after me to learn from my mistakes

[–]Kabuki4313 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have checked that site a few years ago. Constant flow of 100s new 18 to 22 yo hottie everyday.

Once your sift through hookers mostly want free food and drinks.

Keep it up op.

[–]okuli 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

As a guy who was with more than 100 prostitutes, it gets really old. Every time I would get emotional emptiness after leaving them.

At some point I decided it's not healthy for me and I decided to stop it, and I never paid for sex in last 15 years. I decided to have a normal family, have kids. Five years later discovered that my wife is a cheating slut. That marriage costed me about 500k and few years of fighting that gold digger and 15 more years of child support is ahead. Maybe I should have continued seeing prostitutes...

[–]RipoffLeperDig 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

It's important to look at just how much 500k actually is.

HB8-10 Hookers in Amsterdam charge as low 50 euro to fuck. 450k EUR = 9000 lays.

9000 lays is 24 years of fucking one of these whores every day.

[–]okuli 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. In my country there's a saying: "the most expensive sex is free sex"

[–]AlleyFrog961 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Holy shit that's good lmao

[–]IamBetter285 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

And you don't get all the drama involved with women which enables you to focus your energy in self development. That's priceless.

A horrible marriage is just a nightmare...

[–]ImprovementisKey1234 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Can we get this cross-posted (or at least copied) to the main sub?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I actually tried to post there first but I’m too new so it got insta deleted

[–]JoeBuckYourslf-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking get it done.

[–]burnertaliburner9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good shit man. Nice to see my destiny laid out before me so I can both avoid mistakes and succeed earlier. Thanks. See u at the top.

[–]CoupeFL4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

It’s great. Bang all the 18 year olds you want for the price of a dinner and drinks at a good steakhouse. They make it very non transactional and very fun

[–]Hungboy69694201 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yea you can't treat them like whores or they get offended

[–]JoeBuckYourslf2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

So fucking them like a whore (which they like) isn’t the same?

[–]Hungboy69694200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No that you can do. What you shouldn't do is be too overt about giving them money for sex. We know they're prostitutes but they don't want that label. They want the benefits without the social stigma.

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[–]snehehsb7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

For all you idiots saying this is beta, the man is a father with primary custody. What should he do? Pay for a sitter, take some tinder slut to dinner or other date thing, then maybe get to bang her at the end? Or pay for a wet hole, use said wet hole and get what you need.

OP keep doing you. You clearly know what is best for you and your life.

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Or, meet some chick on tinder, spend what, 100 dollars (if that) on a babysitter versus the fucking over 300 dollars he'd spend on some broad, fuck the shit outta the tinder chick and if he dicked that hoe down well enough, she'll come back for that dick for free. Versus you know...ALWAYS having to pay this sugar baby that he has a time limit on.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1002 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is sad actually. But a truth none the less.

[–]jackandjill225 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's just a sign of the times. The SMP isn't like it was for our grandparents. There's reasons for that.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1001 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Absolutely. I understand that. I remember growing up watching gay ass Disney shows and lusting for a “true love” from a beautiful woman when I grew up.

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Never happening. Complete fairytale told to children, like Santa.

[–]ChadTheWaiter1000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, unfortunately, I know that.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just adapt, that's all you can do. Don't follow the old rules make your own. TRP will lead you in the right direction.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus Christ. What's with all the moralizing/concern trolling and other faggotry?

What I see, is so many dudes projecting THEIR shit onto the OP.

Truth of the matter is, the guy has found a sexual strategy that works for him for the moment. I read he's coming into a time where he doesn't want committed relationships. Sounds like he's over the bullshit of courting/gaming women, has a successful business to focus on, and at the moment is enjoying fucking 9's/10's for the cash he makes in a couple of hours.

Sure, you can argue he's not 'improving himself', he 'should be working at being Alpha enough' to get them for free. Really, that's you projecting yourself and where you're at onto him.

If you're smart, you'd take the RedPill lessons in terms of some women's nature, de-pedestalizing them, etc.

It's not the strategy I would use at the moment, but that's because I'm different circumstances. I wouldn't even suggest others do this.

But for this guy, fuck it. Smart thing is, if OP decides he wants to go back to pure game and such, he may have a strengthened IDGAF due to realising how easily he can tee up 8/9/10 quality pussy if needed.

Most of the guys here bitching probably haven't fucked a 8 or higher in their life, but want to preach to OP about what to do. Living in the 'become almighty Chad' fantasy.

In RedPill, we also discuss reality and real life. In OP's real life, this is serving a purpose. Have fun while it lasts, OP.

My only advice is remember they are the choosers. They're choosing you. If this strategy works, awesome, but remember at any point there choices may change. Women are confusing creatures at times.

Also, remember the bigger picture. You're putting cash in their pockets. You're also putting a ton of cash in the pocket of the dude who owns the site. This isn't true RP, but staying stuck in a system.

[–]Pockyaf4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy

I literally just hit 140 lays off SA in nyc. Haven't ever had to "spoil", pay allowance, or anything but drinks. Literally date and fuck so much that it becomes a chore. I can't even open the app without feeling sick now

I think it's pathetic to pay. The same girls you're paying to pretend to like you, is fucking other guys for free. Basically another form of cuckhold and admitting you're lower than these another guys

[–]AlleyFrog961 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I think you're getting this from your ego because you're "practicing game" what your post tells.me is that you don't care about fucking girls, you just want your "game" to work better than other guys.

[–]Pockyaf0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Duh. Most dudes are scrubs in their standards of game and life. So yeah, I don't want to be that if that's what you mean by "work/ better than other guys"

[–]AlleyFrog960 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

There's more to life than vagina man. Have you ever seen the show spartacus? They fight, eat, wage war, have fun, but women are ALWAYS a plus. They don't care how if they get the vagina by paying for it. Just have fun bro stop worrying about being more or less than others.

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There is more to life than vagina. That's why you shouldn't waste over a 100 dollars paying for one. Shit is dumb Alleyfrog, with all due respect.

[–]Pockyaf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Who said there wasn't?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy

The guys that are fucking for free aren’t fucking for free through.

They’re unwittingly being primed for other reasons most likely marriage/children. These men are like flys buzzing into the spiders web.

[–]Pockyaf3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

If you don't understand the difference between just paying for drinks vs doing a direct deposit into the girls bank account, then there's nothing else to discuss.

Sure, girls desire something from guys they spend time with, but no matter how much you spin it it's not the same as paying for sex. All the talk of "guys paying for sex one way or another", you're looking at it the wrong way. How is the girl viewing it? Either she thinks the guy is that much of a chump to pay for something she's given for free, or she respect the guy enough to have sex with him without demanding literal cash payment

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nigga...yes. Preach.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

After divorce the guy that paid nothing ends up paying a lot more. Yes it’s true that maybe there is no divorce, but the truth is that only a very very small number of men have the genes to effortlessly pull 8/9/10’s to fuck for free and then send the girls on their way. And even those men usually end up married and divorce raped with child custody court battles.

Who really cares how she’s viewing it? My goal isn’t to wife her, my goal is to relax like the way people go to get a Thai massage

[–]Pockyaf2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Because how she views it is the actual reality of it. That the guy who pays is a scrub and she's probably using your money for date night with teenage chad.

There's even hot teacher in their early 20s fucking their 16yo students. Same girl you're bidding for attention through monetary payment.

If that's what your about, then so be it. Atleast it seems like you own up to it. Im, however, very shocked by the response in this thread supporting it.

[–]mickenrorty[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think it’s a misconception that she disrespects the sugar daddy, these girls go wild for a powerful experienced man... I think you have it in reverse... the guys she fucks for free are the ones she knows she should be excited about, but her biology and logic are two different things

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude, that is pure cope and conjecture. If these girls are going for powerful and experienced men...then stop paying the bitch and let's see how ''wild'' she goes for you. Lol. Come on brother, if you wanna do what you do, then do it. Just don't try to justify it using red-pill structures.

[–]EmilieBabie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can not deal with you... you are disgustingly good ! I do not approve but damn 🤣🤣🤣 Bravo

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whoa dude, there are guys out there, most definitely fucking these hoes for free. Lol. Life isn't always an either or. Just because some woman is priming me for marriage/children or trying doesn't mean I'M paying for it or any other guy is.
This is just a justification to pay for pussy. Once again, as my guy PockyAf has stated, paying for some rubbish drinks versus depositing, quite literally, HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS, into some broads account, by context and definition, ARE NOT THE SAME.

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My nigga, you know what's up. Who has more confidence, the guy that can get a broad without paying for it, or the fucking simp who has to shell out over a 200 dollars (fuck me) for the same chick? How so many of these bro's are upvoting and congratulating this guy for paying for something that some other nigga is getting for free is beyond me Pockyaf.

This is why I discard some of the rather hypocritical and cult-ish aspects of the red-pill and use the practical shit as much as possible.

[–]Kabuki4313 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just to add to op. 99.99% have a bf/husband something going on. Most want to keep it discreet.

[–]Hedser911 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

A whore will never be a house wife. That said if you're not looking for a house wife this seems almost like a good idea. I'm curious about that hottest woman you've ever fucked now..

[–]bertso91 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy

OP, out of the seducing game,I want to ask you something related to your work.

I am a 23 just graduated from Canadian Institute of Technology with a Bachelors to Software Engineering diploma. I am very skilled in software programming and other fields.

How easy is for an european to move to Sydney/Australia and work as an engineer in there?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy

You’d get the youth visa (under 30) which gets you 12 months then you’d want to switch to getting sponsored which is pretty much a work wherever you want forever visa (unlike America where you’re tied to the company)...

Skilled IT Jobs are in high demand

TLDR; very very easy.

[–]bertso90 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

is it worth to move in there? like is the living, wages and other stuff worth it?

I am trying to either get in a Scandinavian country (norway, denmark, sweeden or finland) or Australia.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Dunno, it’s a fun city/country as long as you’re earning good $$$. Rent/property prices aren’t cheap though that’s for sure

[–]bertso90 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

any tips you can give me on how to start in there?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Create an account, start conversations ... it’s as simple as it sounds. Be attractive and look powerful/wealthy for discounts

[–]bertso91 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

with work mate, not pickups. lol

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Oh lol! If I were to line up a job in Canada I’d spend a weekend starting conversations with recruiters on linked in... even if you don’t get a job straight away, you’re now going to be in their databases and you’ll know when opportunities arise....

Also the first job can be a foothold to better jobs once you’re on the ground

[–]bertso90 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

don't expect to immediately start as a software engineer as I don't have enough experience for it.

probably junior project manager or junior developer.

but thank you mate.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

If you can manage it with references you’ll want to market yourself without the “junior” stigma... if you can bullshit your way past that and learn to swim on the job you’re going to earn better money and get better experience faster.

[–]account_rp1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

What are the life threatening risks of marriage? We're all told that married men have better health and live longer. I'm suspicious of that claim but have never done the research to find out exactly how it is bullshit.

Also, how do you know that your ex wife was like these girls?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well it depends where you live, you’ve got a 50% chance of divorce in the west, with an 8x higher chance of suicide during the divorce. If you’re a member of the Single Dads Facebook page you’d know how often the page gets suicide notes and why... (hint: it’s usually because the mother took the kids away for good and had the guy fucked economically due to child support and alimony if it’s the USA)

Why my ex wife is like these girls? I found her seeking arrangement profile on her Laptop from before we met/married.... she also was very cute/innocent attractive... she spent her life seeking and enjoying the approval of men, I should have seen the red flags earlier like how she didn’t end in good terms with any of her ex’s or that she had no real long term relationships, or that her confidante’s were all beta male men...

I also found out she had a alt account which dated back to when she was 15.

Her pair bonding inclination was dead and therefore our marriage was destined for divorce

[–]coconutismyreligion1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]maljo241 point2 points  (27 children) | Copy

Yes, but, will men also do pretty much anything for money? Yep.

[–]jackandjill226 points7 points  (26 children) | Copy

Not suck a dick. But you do you.

[–]Seven_league_boots0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

Bullshit. Anyone on this board would suck 20 dicks for 10 million dollars.

[–]snehehsb1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even if it took a million to pay for therapy, you're still a head no pun intended.

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dignity and self respect would keep a man from sucking dick for 10 million dollars. If a dollar figure can get you to betray all that you are then there isn't any point in the red pill. Bettering yourself is the goal not being some bitch ass nigga whose morality is as flimsy as his wallet....

[–]RipoffLeperDig 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

You would be fucking stupid not to - you're talking an hour of labor, really?

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

An hour of labor & a lifetime of shame, your friends surprising you on your 62 inch QLED television of the video of you sloppy sucking dick. It going viral on the internet & reading comments of people trashing/dragging you. Everyone quietly laughing at investors meetings because they know where you got your money from.


[–]RipoffLeperDig 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah: you come out as "bisexual."

It's 2019. You've got 10 million. Hoes will overlook your bi phase.

[–]jackandjill22-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yes, because we all know Caitlyn Jenner doesn't get made fun of by Dave Chapelle & others everyday. Wake the fuck up that shit doesn't work both ways you're getting brainwashed. Ontop of that I know alot of girls how won't sleep with guys who've had a gay phase. they only y pay lip service to that shit.

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

My guy, you know what's up. Is this how it is on trp these days? I see a lot of weakness here brother. I'm surprised.

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I know. Things have changed since 2015/16. Peak years. Early 2010's that's why we have to come together. These battles for modern masculinity aren't over we have to keep each other vigilant/aware.

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Word my guy....word

[–]Andrew543210 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy

They sure like to die for less.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy

Read: comment below about men & respect/honor.

[–]Andrew54321-1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy

Same shit they feed to military recruits.

If I was laughed at for sucking dick for money and it got out of hand I’d remind them I have the means to disappear them.

[–]jackandjill22-2 points-1 points  (11 children) | Copy

$10million isn't that much bro. I've had an investor sit me down at dinner & show me a bank check for 800million.

[–]Andrew543210 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

Not the point.

Point is opinions are not worth much when it comes from people who don’t have what you want or have been where you are.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

No, if you fame comes with the price of a damaged reputation is it worth it? Do you want to be Anita sarkeesian. There alot of ways to succeed at shit. You can still be a piece of shit but be comfortable.

[–]Andrew54321-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy

I don’t know who that is, but sounds like she might be loaded so yeah why the fuck not.

You can be on the 9-5 for 40 years plan or suck 20 dicks for an hour for $10M plan.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

& then on every podcast or place your introduced/referred to as the "dick sucking guy". If you're that unconfident in your ability to make money then that's a bigger problem.

[–]apskidb0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What’s half in dollars? ppm

[–]SemiLoquacious0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Asking for a coworker (though I'll never tell her)

Does a 6 have any reasonable chance of becoming a SB?

[–]Hungboy69694200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes definitely. Met some 5s who did well (apparently)

[–]zedaoisok0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]Siyuen_Tea0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I think you can do better. Try to take these girls on a "date". Your goal is to use them as social proof so you can go out and fuck bitches for free. Maybe ad some of those girls to your tinder pics.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I’ve considered that, but when I’m not on dad duty I’m generally just hanging out with mates, I’m past dating or caring, I’ll certainly get my chat on should the social occasion arise, but I just don’t care enough, rather work on making more money

[–]Siyuen_Tea1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

As he gets older, your child will learn from your actions not your words. Make sure your social skills don't rust too much. The problem with buying women is that they'll say what they think you want to hear.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I’m going to say this unabashedly, after fucking a lot of women on tinder and off RL... I became EXTREMELY good at seducing women. From drinks to back to my place, I’m excellent at it but I don’t like the moral issue of them expecting a relationship when there can never be one... I also don’t like risk of falling in love, when a women decides she wants you it’s incredible how good she can be at seduction... the Turkish girl showed me that... but alas it would still have been a disastrous LTR

When I’m older I’ll make sure my son learns the right lessons in life... can’t wait to let him experience RP awareness with subtle guidance from me

[–]mountainbiker1780 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t like the moral issue of them expecting a relationship when there can never be one...

I've only been gaming/online dating for several months now and I already know exactly what you mean. I was kind of hoping that feeling would fade away eventually.

[–]LeEbinConchShell0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

based and absolutely apex redpilled.

whats the price range? for anyone in this thread that uses SA.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One 20yo girl was dtf for $80, but generally $250-300 for an evening.

[–]idgaf-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Last time I was in China, on my last day there, had a foursome for (probably) the price of one of your nights.

What a time to be a stocks/options gambler. Inflation in asset prices and deflation in pussy prices.

[–]FlyingSexistPig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My one question is, "How much do you usually end up paying per 'arrangement'?"

And how is it structured? Cash after the evening? Cash before? dinner and the evening?

asking for a friend

[–]doctorlw0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It makes sense. Your chance of being in the top 1% of men on a site typically dominated by creepy/awkward men means you are a prized asset, it is no surprise that the most attractive girls would be interested but also offer seemingly discounted prices. It wouldn't shock me at all that the price for many of these women might simply be drinks and the tantalizing possibility of maybe locking you down.

This also gets you past the age filter, as girls are specifically targeting middle aged men on these sites. Many of the most attractive girls in their early 20's on bumble, tinder will filter over 30 out.

thanks for sharing

[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Men shouldn't pay directly for pussy. Even if the argument is that all men pay for pussy, some male taking a woman out for a 30 dollar meal and a nightly sex romp vs a man paying some broad 250 - 700 for a few hours is just dumb by redpill standards. You should use that money to invest or buy yourself some new toys. Idk, invest in the men's right movement, political campaigns, shit, Toy's R Us, anything but that.

I know men who have women take care of them. Meaning they pay for THEIR lifestyle. I would think that would be the ultimate acknowledgement of someone's worth; the appreciation for someone else via physical means. Paying for pussy, especially in this fashion, just helps build upon the effect/affect of hypergamy that we oft lament.

The real test of the Red Pill would be to pull some of these broads without having to buy them. Become the highest value male and let that, according to your redpill ideology, be the standard. Your acquiescence to purchase pussy just signifies that you're not high quality enough to pull women of that physical calibre. By your own admission you find it difficult to pull 8's and above. Rather than engineer a way to pull them, you just paid for them. I could understand if you're using the money as a lure, a thing that the women will never get, but you're outright giving them money. It's just pathetic in my honest point of view.

If a woman doesn't want to fuck me, just off of my looks, masculinity, and status then it's okay. I'd rather fuck a chick who WANTS me than some broad I have to give money to to touch my genitals.

Also, plenty of us have had 1 night stands without having to pay for anything so this excuse of you pay for it anyway, is just a way to justify it. Paying for pussy, for me, is beta male shit. No broad can get my, quite literal, HUNDREDS of dollars unless she's paying me back with interest. Niggas out here paying for sex...lol.

That being said, do you, have fun, but this round-a-bout justification that supposedly should tie into the red pill for vindication is just rubbish. That whole story could have been shortened to;

''I'm not handsome enough to pull 8's, 9's, and 10's so I pay for them to have sex with me''

Some bluepiller is in the same boat as you right now, paying for pussy. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that this is some sort of revelational redpill elucidation from on high my guy.

[–]BlackStallion320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if SA allows you to filter out sugar babies by join date? In other words, can you filter SB's that have been around for a while, or for SB's that just started recently?

Obviously age is generally a good indicator if for example it's an 18yo vs a 28yo, but that isn't always the case. I'm asking because (and this is just an educated guess, mind you) newbies are probably more impressionable in terms of pricing than "veterans". Just looking to get a good value out of it, that's all.

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Well if she’s fucking them for free it must mean she’s doing it because she enjoys it and so I doubt she’d be averse to any other intentions they may have. The guys she wants to leave and be on their way she makes pay to make sure that happens. Guys like you.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She can’t make me leave my own place. She’s the one whose out the door... just so that we’re clear, let’s not get the context twisted to a different angle

[–]Artisuko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll take some of your fun money! I'm not a prossy looking for sex, im actually a man, who likes free things :D

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Cool focus on the meaningless semantics in a comment and not the content. She leaves you leaves that’s not the point. The point is she wants to get away from you as much if not more than you want to get away from her. Don’t be confused about that fact.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What she wants to do is 100% irrelevant. It’s not even a factor... (as long as she leaves)

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

I didn’t say you care whether or not she likes you (but I bet deep down you kind of do). I’m saying that it’s just as much a transaction for her as it is for you, probably more. You’re disposable. Which is why all this degrading talk coming from you about individuals who are essentially your business partner is strange. It’s pretty emotional and clearly shows that you, unlike these girls, have emotions tied to this dynamic. They are negative emotions, but it clearly gets under your skin. I want my cleaning lady to leave when she’s done, too. But I don’t get all passionate over it like, “yea my cleaning lady she’s like an 8, ,9, 10 she cleans up every last Crum in my place then I pay her so she’ll get the fuck out and be on her way!” I mean that attitude you have about these girls your fucking sure takes a lot of energy and emotion. In the end let’s just agree that you BOTH want to part ways once you cum. But keep in mind that one of you is paying for that and the other one is GETTING PAID.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Lol I dont think anyone needs reminding, just as when I pay for a deep tissue massage that that the masseuse is getting paid and I’m getting a deep tissue massage.

I seriously don’t get your point or purpose for writing these messages

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I know it must be confusing to be presented with a perspective different from yours. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to confuse you. You just seemed so naive I thought I could help you.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Why are you still here messaging?

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Because you keep responding to me. Because you like it.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don’t care, no one cares

[–]-MILFMilk--1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok 😊

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Actually, a more accurate analogy to the point I was making would be if you and another person were BOTH getting a deep tissue massage. You both got what you wanted. But you paid to get it and the other person got paid to get it.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Real talk, why are you writing messages?

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Because arguing with you turns me on.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]king_d170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol honestly the 250 for him is probably less valuable than the fact she is doing all kinds of nasty shit w a dude she just met, for what is pennies to him, so I’d say he’s the one winning. She might be getting paid, but he’s getting paid more ;)

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

My point is you sound like a disrespectful arrogant prick when you talk about the females you clearly don’t value yet don’t seem to have a problem sticking your dick in. You incorrectly think this dynamic is swayed in your favor and you are deluding yourself if you think you’re the one in control. Arrogance is hot when it’s warranted. When it’s a defense mechanism employed by insecure little boys, it’s pathetic. And everyone who reads your distasteful Neanderthal comments is laughing at you. Is that point clear enough for you?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Clearly by my upvotes I’m well agreed with, I can see you’re a triggered sugar baby :)

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Clearly you have a different narrative for what you do, you don’t like the term “whore”?

It’s the oldest profession there is, sugar lifestyle is just version 2.0

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I never said anything about not liking the word whore. In fact, I believe there are three types of people in this world - people who admit they play the role of a trick, people who admit they play the role of a whore, and liars who pretend they don’t do either. Everyone’s a whore when they need to be. I just have the balls to be upfront about it. Little wifey who wants her bathroom redone so she sucks her husbands Dick she hasn’t touched for 10 months is a whore. And you’re just a trick. My narrative is crystal clear. Is yours?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well if we’ve established that, then why are you lurking on TRP with a problem with my attitude towards whores?

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I accept the term and the fact that everyone is a whore and I don’t view it as a negative thing. The words you choose and your description of WHORES and the dynamic of them being financially compensated for fucking tricks like you has a negative and disrespectful tone. That’s why. Your responses are one-sided, textbook typical, basic bitch, and status quo boring. So what’s your PayPal I’d love to give you a little $omething so you’ll go away now, doll ...

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re the one posting one TRP, I think you’re the unwelcome one here darllll

[–]-MILFMilk-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There’s only one way to settle this. We need to fuck. This battle of words is making me horny and it’ll make for some insane sex.

[–]macheagle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent report... Thank you sir and enjoy!

[–]Mazohist0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What the fuck did I just read

[–]mickenrorty[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

No idea

[–]Mazohist-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

dont take me wrong, I just find it highly disturbing such a thing exists, this kind of "prostitution", truly women are ruthless animals.

[–]mountainbiker1780 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

truly women are ruthless animals.


[–]ConsumeDevourRepeat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bro...come on, you focus on the women part but not the man part. These bitches aren't fucking other bitches, they're fucking guys. If the women are ruthless, then the men who partake of their services are as well. Let's not paint some half portrait my guy.

[–]Cash36030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Keep it up OP. If I had as much money as you then I'd be gladly doing what you've been doing.

[–]scorpionkinggg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m from Sydney, this rings true.

When I first discovered back page the creepiest part was when I ended up knowing some of the girls on there escorting themselves out.

I’ll definitely check this SA thing out.

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You need to post this on the original red pill sub. This is a rare, Golden-red thread, that I would like the others to see and learn from.

[–]mustache_ride_-1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy

I started browsing "Seeking Arrangements"

On tinder or another app?

Also, I tried working out 5 days a week but was exhausted. How do you keep the energy?

[–]mrrooftops5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

literally 'Seeking' arrangements.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy

Protein Salad, no booze, sleep as much as possible, work up to it start with three days but maintain a healthy diet, I also take a shit load of supps

[–]mustache_ride_4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy

I take supps.

Creatine? Coke, Iron? Coke? Which supps? Also do you have Coke?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy

Lol creatine, magnesium, zinc, fish oil, men’s multi, vit-C, amongst others...

Lmao I don’t take coke, and certainly not for my healthy gym routine, hardest shit I take is coffee and green tea

[–]mustache_ride_2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy

nice. Joking aside, is magnesium recommended for energy? I thought it was used as a sleep-aid.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy

Aids in muscle repair

[–]mustache_ride_1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

thank you, any website recommendation for workout/supplement regiment?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy

Not really, follow the sub reddit for supplements for a start, my weight training program is a inspired by a guy named zyzz, google his suggested weekly routine for an idea and inspiration

[–]mustache_ride_2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Scholar and a gentlemen right here folks.

last question: how long have you been going at it, is it sustainable over years?

EDIT: "It should also be noted that Zyzz had spoken openly about steroid use in his past.

dammit: https://seannal.com/articles/quick-tips/zyzz-workout-diet.php

[–]mickenrorty[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeh I don’t do steroids at all, I’ve been using a zyzz inspired training program for nearly 4 years, swapped out with different programs from time to time but usually going back to it. Key thing to understand is that it’s 50% diet and 50% pushing your muscles to complete and utter failure... the diet is the hard part contrary to the belief of many

[–]castleglastonbury0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You’re gonna make it brah

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha them girls be ‘mirin brah

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[–]ushirtrun 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Ok so you fuck prostitutes, congrats?

[–]mickenrorty[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

The point is really the eye opening realisation that such a huge portion of women are open to it, including the type of women we’d have considered marriage material.

It shifted my mentality toward women, I realised it’s always transactional even if you’re not paying $$$ up fromt

[–]ushirtrun 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

You are delusional if you think "a huge portion" of women are on seeking arrangement.

Get a grip man. It's hilarious you think the girls on seeking arrangement are "cute/innocent friendly looking college or traveller girls looking to make some extra cash and extra connections". You're getting played like a fiddle.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would have thought that too had I not been down that road, I think you’re mistaken

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blue pill example

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP, I want to argue that paying for it is beta, but I know that because I can't afford to, there's a level of ego protection on my part.

I'm 47 and divorced, flying solo 3 years now. My money goes to debt service and retirement. I live simply, but with a lot of style.

Plus, I don't go to the gym. Don't need to, have a barbell & pull up bar at home. I get a lot of eccentric energy in my reps because I can't bang things around too much, but it's fine.

And my last girlfriend kind of ruined me. She was 20 years younger than me and way out of my league. A hike with her yesterday turned into drinking beer at a beer garden, and holy smokes, this girl is hot. The oneitis will never go away, but in the last 3 years she literally rode the CC (n count went from 1 to about 20) and is now looking to cash in and find a husband while she's on the right side of 30.

With all that said, your post intrigues me. I desperately need to find new ass to tap, but I love younger women (don't we all?) I have 0 chance of competing money wise on SA, but in terms of attractiveness? Oh, hell yeah, bring it. Everything they say about lifting is true. My unicorn expressed displeasure that I got built after we broke up.

So, based on your post, let's size things up a bit. Women on SA are open to being with older men. Yes, for money, but I guarantee you some women would never do it, at least not at current market rates. The dimes and nines, and eights, are well out of my reach, but average girls, like you said dipping their toes in? A possibility.

Also, the most I ever spent on dinner was $150, and it was a disappointment. Like I said, I live in style, and am a Chef John devotee. I have an awesome kitchen. I have Smithsonian & PBS rather than Netflix. Plus I'm developing into a competent lead dancer, which complements lifting and running quite well.

This could all possibly be packaged correctly to get at least average younger women. As Patrice O'Neil said, "You ain't got a better vintage than '72? ? A '98? What is it, water? Alright, I'll take it!"

I think it's called Salt Daddy Game, using SA but not paying for anything more than drinks.

You almost have me talked into trying it!

[–]liquorbaron-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

This seems more of MGTOW than asktrp.

[–]coconutismyreligion-1 points0 points  (38 children) | Copy

Hilarious. Didnt you say you can only pull 5's at most 6's but all of a sudden its 9's for some cash payment. But you still attribute it to them wanting you for looks. No one fucks for free. We dont care about your looks. Just take out the cash. Sex is a tool and men succumb to it lol. This newer generation just realized it, that's the only diff

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (37 children) | Copy

I said I can only pull 5,6,7’s on demand for free... aka having them travel to me, fuck me, massage me and then leave before the night is through.

I can pull 8/9’s with good game under good circumstance at the bar after work on a Friday night... but now that I have a son I don’t have that Friday night ability.

Both women so far have said (maybe they lie) that they only did this because I’m good looking, they claim to prefer a ongoing allowance by a proper sugar daddy

[–]coconutismyreligion0 points1 point  (36 children) | Copy

Yes exactly Once cash is involved it's only ever about the money. As you have experienced for yourself already...

And yes it's a lie lol. No one is going to insult someone to their face especially after they graciously gifted you cash lol.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (35 children) | Copy

I don’t see the disagreement really... it’s no different than getting a massage or paying money for your lunch

[–]coconutismyreligion0 points1 point  (34 children) | Copy

My point was the admission of pulling unattractive women for free verses the hotter women you got to fuck when you paid them. But you stated that the women you paid for sure still only slept with you due to your looks and not just the cash you gave them. Idk how old you are but doesnt take much to figure out it's all about the money dude lmfao

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (33 children) | Copy

If it was exclusively about money they’d just be working for the escort agency’s at up to $2000 a evening

[–]coconutismyreligion0 points1 point  (32 children) | Copy

Right.... lol🤭

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (31 children) | Copy

Sure why not? It’s legal in Australia, you can make much more money if you’re not too choosy on the John

[–]coconutismyreligion0 points1 point  (30 children) | Copy

U keep missing the point, but that's expected.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (29 children) | Copy

What’s the point?

[–]professor_goat-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm doing a 5 day weights training regime atm, so my balls are constantly needing to be drained...

lol! Straight up, this is one sad post. I was feeling bad for your kid until I got to this gem.

[–]mickenrorty[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You read a sad post and then posted on that sad post that you think it’s sad.


[–]matcha_cheesecake-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

So we are promoting prostitution and whores on TRP now? Wtf

Paying some dumb thot who couldn't give a shit about you for sex is the most beta and pathetic thing I can think of

[–]mickenrorty[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t have time to explain but I suggest you read it, if you interpret that then you’re a fucken idiot ... sorry

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