Suddenly, most of my friends are betas

topredhat · 2015-03-02T15:16:41+00:00

Its like when you start a new video game an all your friends are destorying you but once you understand it and know how to play they all suddenly become shit.

erniesmoove · 2015-03-02T14:16:08+00:00

Guys like him are playing to be seen as alphas to other guys.

You mean paying to be seen, right?

Excellent post, this sort of behavior drives me crazy.

You've been hanging around a girl for weeks and all she is doing is telling you gossip? Fucking lol.

I wouldn't even tell them they are doing anything wrong... those type of stories are their own reward.

RapistHere · 2015-03-02T15:33:36+00:00

I have seen this in front of my eyes. Going through my 20's i've seen people who were formerly good with ladies become beta bux man children who are in LTR with dominant women. Its a sickening waste of human potential. No man can be happy as a subservient.

justgrif · 2015-03-02T17:09:08+00:00

This post is good Because it slightly touches on a disease of modern man

Lacking a father figure or male role model the men of america have become dire narcissists, creating cartoonist facades of masculinity to hide behind. But once exposed to true masculinity they wilt.

If i see one more jacked dude have emotional screaming matches with his girl or back down when challenged to a real fight I'll scream

nzgs · 2015-03-02T17:20:31+00:00

They were always betas, you just never realised it until you learned how the game works.

the_red_scimitar · 2015-03-02T19:00:27+00:00

What's worse is realizing none of them will listen to you at all about TRP. They will defend being plugged in until a traumatic event allows them to question what they "know".

justgrif · 2015-03-02T18:58:37+00:00

I'm noticing this in all my social circles and at work. Most men are a mix of A and B traits, but I'm really seeing that most of these guys are closer to the beta side than anything.

I'm still a good bit away from fully formed myself, however, wow, just knowing how I'm supposed to be and why changes everything. I wonder what my wife is thinking right now, as I hold frame perpetually, take no shit, lock my eyes on hers and everyone else's when speaking or listening, generally acting like nothing affects me, handling business and making decisions. In actuality, suddenly, nothing actually does affect me. It's incredible. All this behavior must have been underneath all this time, but I've been bitching out and taking the easy way, letting other people, including my wife, sort of take the wheel when deciding paths.

It makes me wonder how many of these other men I know are just a pill swallow away from changing their entire destiny.

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zephyrprime · 2015-03-02T16:25:26+00:00

Yep. Nobody is having as much sex as they seem to be.

Also, I don't think their primary concern is to try to seem alpha for other guys (although they are somewhat concerned about that). Rather, I think they really are blue pill and can't even comprehend how being aggressive with women is. They also believe the blue pill shit that being chaste and courtly is the problem way to treat women (as though it was the year 1815 and not 2015).

foldpak111 · 2015-03-03T01:55:58+00:00

A guy I was partying with a couple weekends ago is real beta. Reeeeeal beta. He gets a girl back at his place on valentines eve and I'm just like "my man."

I call homie up tomorrow to see how it went;

"you fuck her?"

"No"

"what?"

"I really like her man. I just didn't want to ruin things"

you already ruined it you spineless omega. It's valentines eve, a girl went out partying, went home with a guy, excited about drowning in orgasms, all to find out he's a fuckin scrub with a Dick that doesn't even work.

I believe white knighting women is totally acceptable when they are under the grasp of a scrub. I literally want to hold these women that are missing out on a bunch of Christian Grey's minions fucking them into another dimension and tell them everything is going to be okay. I seriously feel for these women. They dreamt of stud's and prince's sweeping them off their feet and making them feel like a woman, and this is what they get. And they call us woman haters and beta males the 'one that gets the girl in the end.' shit we're the men women want, fuck outta here 110# white knights go challenge owen cook at a bar and get owned like the goober you are.

Well that's it for that rant. Beta males got me all psycho today. Stay sharp, my dudes

pretty_klinical · 2015-03-02T15:05:13+00:00

Educating yourself certainly changes the perspective of the people in your life. I'm in a similar position, where I'm almost disgusted to be interacting with members of my current friend group, because it feels like I'm trapped in a room full of fucking losers. I often wonder if it's worth my time trying to pass on the pill (which has been met with resistance), or just leave them to pursue new/more fulfilling friendships.

[deleted] · 2015-03-02T17:25:23+00:00

I'm pretty glad most of my friends are not betas. While a few have some beta tendencies and I won't say they're all unplugged alphas (nor will I say I'm fully there) they're way more alpha than average especially given the state of 20-something men in America. Not exactly a high bar there.

I can't help but feel bad for those who post about all their friends being total betas and needing to find new friends. That's got to be rough; much more like totally reinventing yourself rather than just adjusting your behavior and improving. I guess that also has to do with your starting point... If your friends all know you as a beta it's been said you can experience push back from friends regarding the changes I.e "you're being an asshole". Either way good luck OP

Killigraphy · 2015-03-02T18:41:42+00:00

Most men are usually blue pills by default. They've had no experience, they don't go out and test theories, and they don't get the game. A lot of them parrot what some guy they know who gets pussy said to them, so while it sounds correct, its coming from a fountain of air.

These guys are chameleons at giving advice. It's almost a science how they copy and paste advice from actual red pills and make it sound like they're Alpha. The truth is, if they aren't willing to go out with you and play wing or approach a set, their words aren't worth an ounce of salt.

ucfgavin · 2015-03-02T17:22:07+00:00

Best solution to this...if you enjoy hanging out with them, don't talk about chicks with them, because all its going to do is annoy you. If they keep talking about chicks, then call them out on their silliness until they shut up about it.

sodave22 · 2015-03-02T21:20:49+00:00

WTF.... are evangelical the original feminists?

TheRedPilsner · 2015-03-03T03:30:16+00:00

There's a man that I've been friends with for over 15 years now. We became buddies in high school and have remained friends ever since. For many years I sort of viewed him as a "role model" because he was more successful with the ladies than I was. Sure, he wasn't exactly Brad Pitt, but he still did better than I did.

But ever since I unplugged and started improving myself, it has changed the way I look at him. He's a hardcore blue-piller: his mission is life is to find "the One" because he believes that if he finds the perfect girl and marries her then his life will be complete. Meanwhile, over the last few years I've been developing confidence, cultivating a IDGAF attitude, and generally becoming more alpha.

My friend is currently in a LTR. He and his girlfriend live together, and I'm certain that sooner or later they'll get married. It's also clear that his girlfriend wears the pants in the relationship. My friend is terrified of doing anything that she'll disapprove of. Meanwhile, I've been making the most of my bachelor freedom by working out, going snowboarding, going to concerts, spinning plates, and rising in my career.

The power dynamic in my relationship with my friend has shifted. Whereas I used to look up to my friend, I now kinda pity him. I think he can sense this, too. He's tried a few times to convince me that my life will be a lot better if I find a girlfriend and settle down (male hamstering), but I gently shoot down his suggestions. He's admitted to me while drunk that he's unhappy with his sex life and also that he often feels smothered, so I know that his life isn't as perfect as he makes it out to be while he's sober.

So yes, one of the more unpleasant aspects of swallowing the red pill is finding out just how blue pill some of your friends are. And you can't do much to help them if they don't want to be helped. They want to believe in the myth of the Soulmate or "the One" who will make their life perfect. All you can do is live your life according to TRP philosophy and hope that your influence rubs off on your friends.

cmiovino · 2015-03-02T15:08:15+00:00

For me, I always thought I was behind the curve in high school, and even college. Ok, actually I really was.

Then I see almost all of those who I regarded as alpha, chick bangers marrying off, sometimes with 6 and 7's at age 25-27ish.

AfroPoro · 2015-03-02T14:35:13+00:00

Last year during my freshman year in college, I was a lot like your friend. I was elected as the leader/representative of my dorm who would interact with the other dorm heads to plan and orchestrate events and such. Needless to say I knew a lot of people early on and was really popular with the women of my dorm. However, I never really pursued any of them and made sure to keep myself busy.

Everyone assumed I was a playboy and was having threesomes every weekend. The reality was it never dawned on me that I could have those things. I don't consider myself red pill, but I do agree with many of the contents that are in the sidebar and at the very least I find Red Pill's outlook on society very amusing. Thanks for sharing OP.

soccerplusaviation · 2015-03-02T20:03:05+00:00

Crazy feeling huh, when you see a bunch of people do something and you think there soo much better than you, then somehow, through experience or by coming across a site like redpill you realize they are full of bs.

Keep improving yourself, you will continue to rise above the rest.

symko · 2015-03-02T20:25:13+00:00

It will be very difficult if not impossible to communicate with your friends upon discovering this. They are still plugged in and will defend a woman's honor at any cost. (White Knighting) There are a lot of thing/discoveries that you will stumble upon that they will simply not want to hear, poisoning your friendship with them.

While it is an unfortunate side effect of RP. I advise distance. Grass eaters and Meat eaters aren't usually the best of friends.

balalasaurus · 2015-03-02T17:44:13+00:00

Now you know why it's called The Red Pill. Once you swallow it you not only see society for what it is, but you also cannot un-see it.

Those who choose to embrace it take the first steps to something great. Those who deny it will always be left feeling empty.

Brolocaustic · 2015-03-03T03:46:08+00:00

I'm ok with most of what you said but I think you may be mistaken on the sex within first three dates or done. Being a man with strong values and raising a family to thrive in the world today is not blue pill. Love does exist and don't be too cynical to experience it. If you've already written it off as fantasy you're really missing out on a big part of life. Not all women are dirtbag loving whores.

therock6658 · 2015-03-02T17:18:56+00:00

LoL. While I find it to be cool to have female friends, some guys really need to stop making excuses about their true intentions and just let her know head on. I really pity these betas cause part of me still believes that they're the best option for a girl if the girl is looking for someone for the long haul, though for many of them, their teenage and early 20's years are mostly spent riding the "cock carousel" as $andscam likes to put it.

Speaking for myself, I would find female MRAs to be way too respectful for me to even consider hooking up with them. If I knew them in real life, I would love to be friends with the Honey Badgers. Any other girl that is indifferent though, I'll consider hooking up with, and anyone that's a feminist, I run.

slurmfactory · 2015-03-02T20:22:17+00:00

haha back in my beta days i used to love having hot ass girls as my friends. now id rather not be friends with a girl i want to hook up with who doesnt have any feelings for me in that regard, whats the point? they usually dump your ass as a friend once they find that guy that they obsess over. not worth it. having friends is good tho, as well as hot ones, gotta be able to have both, but if im really into a girl and shes not into me i def dont talk to her on the phone for hours at 2am (usually about other guys.)

HonestyReigns · 2015-03-02T21:10:12+00:00

That's a great account of the illusion that feminized society forces onto men.

They are rationalizing female friends as a social proof. They want to appear attractive to others so they will be picked up passively by girls instead of actively seeking to pick girls up. No girl is going to approach them, ever. That's the innate nature of estrogen.

spillthewine35 · 2015-03-02T23:25:52+00:00

There's two guys that I know who have recently gotten involved/engaged with single moms. Both of these guys are good looking and did well with ladies "back in the day". But now they seem like beta chumps to me. Is this the norm now a days? Are there that many single moms? Both of these women are good looking, but still, why would you want that extra baggage?

lightfire409 · 2015-03-03T03:08:27+00:00

I think some of this behavior is due to man wanting to land a girl who is above the norm. Some woman to grant them children who is loyal, devoting, and not some slut who is addicted to the CC. Since girls of this caliber are extremely rare, its typical of men to invent their own fantasy, so to speak, and pretend the girl they fancy is a pure angel sent from heaven.

KarmaEnthusiast · 2015-03-03T16:50:02+00:00

Since I started my journey I realised just how beta my friends were and how blind I was being. Guys are so afraid of that first 'opening' step with girls that they never see the complexity that comes after it. Pushing and pulling, teasing and complimenting, freezing out and being compliant, dealing with multiples, dealing with guys, day game vs night game vs high energy game, getting the number, pushing for the same night sex and then all the complexities of sex itself.

And all their energy is focused on the OPEN.

RojoEscarlata · 2015-03-02T19:35:37+00:00

I don't see the problem, just nod along with your friends and fuck their hot girl friends.

[deleted] · 2015-03-02T18:21:01+00:00

This post is also my experience. Sucks because these are people I've known my whole life and now I don't want any thing to do with them.

[deleted] · 2015-03-02T21:01:07+00:00

You should find some new friends

aroploen91 · 2015-03-02T16:18:44+00:00

How old are you now? I'm under the impression college.

That being said, friendship is a tricky thing. We easily fall into patterns of comfort, especially with our friends.

I believe our social circles are an extension of our own internal beliefs trying to validate themselves. Our friends enable our choices and reinforce our behavior.

Therefore, if you are on a path towards self reflection and growth, you need like-minded people to help that.

Hit the gym. Talk to everyone in class. Seek in others what you like about who you're becoming. Dominate life. Become an icon.

pms777 · 2015-03-03T02:37:53+00:00

If you aren't a beta orbiter, it is actually useful to hang with chicks. It adds to your preselection game and you get an insight into their nature.

Atleast that's what I did during high school. Fucked 3 of them in the span of 4 years and LTRed 1. Bonus side is that u get to meet their friends from different social circles.

Tl;dr: had female friends in high school, had lots if sex because of that.

dabrah1 · 2015-03-02T16:51:44+00:00

I'm in the same boat. The friend group I currently hang out with consists of one semi- alpha guy who gets with a tinder trash chick about once a month. A guy who works a min wage job and has a low smv girlfriend. One guy who is incredibly beta, and is in a long term relationship basically because he has a decent 9-5. Two other guys who hang around hot girls all the time... as friends. They don't even seem to realize how deep into the friend zone they are. Last but not least, another guy who goes to college part time, doesnt have a job, and generally doesn't seem to be doing anything worth while with his life. Its infuriating knowing exactly what they are all doing wrong when it comes to getting girls, and not being able to tell them.

I've been distancing myself from them for a while, just focusing on making money and expanding my knowledge. My coworkers are way more red pill than most of my friends, so I figure i'm better off spending more time with them and making money, than just burning time with the betas. I really hope they wake up one day and realize how things really work.

mykonos_rm · 2015-03-02T23:01:06+00:00

Scout your work for similar aged guys who you feel can pull their own and invite them out for a happy hour. Start forming a new pack.

George_l_rockwell · 2015-03-02T18:06:12+00:00

I'm so lucky my best friends are red pilled guys who know how to gain easy access to sluts. They've really helped me with going from a beta to someone who fucks sluts.

yummyluckycharms · 2015-03-02T17:16:13+00:00

Not this circle jerk again.

This week there has been a couple of threads bringing up the same myth about how your average friends will translate into your own success. Apparently, if they are fat - you will get fat. Or if they work minimum wage - so will you. Because....well - just because.

Lets just say this - some of the richest people in america and indeed the world (ie. Soros and R. Lauren) - worked minimum wage jobs, quit school, etc. Success is 20% working hard, and 80% just being in the right place at the right time. If you were a weak idiot and cut these guys loose from your social circle because you were afraid of getting infected, then you would've lost out big.

Title	Suddenly, most of my friends are betas
Author	erniesmoove
Upvotes	259
Comments	109
Date	March 2, 2015 1:50 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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