I'd love some biblical feedback.

rocknrollchuck · 2018-05-02T14:49:26+00:00

On Sunday my wife drops a few bombs. She's not attracted to me and never has been. I asked about when we were dating and she said, "Even when we were dating I simply didn't find you attractive - and I know you're even better looking now [I went from a runner build to a muscular build]." In her words, "The church always taught me that I should find the godliest man I could and marry him and that nothing else mattered, so that's what I did. And in that way you've never disappointed me. But when I married you I was ignoring the fact that I'm not attracted to you because the church told me that God would make it all work out if I just found a godly man."

Man, that sucks. Everyone wants to be desired by their spouse. But personally, I think this is her hamster trying to reconcile what she feels with what she thinks. She says she is not attracted to you, but yet admits you are even better looking now. She admits you are a godly man. And she says that the church told her that God would make it all work out if she just found a godly man. Throughout history, a significant number of marriages, both Christian and non-Christian, have been arranged marriages. Somehow they made it work, and somehow your wife is trying to make it work as well. How is your life together otherwise?

One question here: did SHE initiate that conversation, or did YOU?

She started crying and insisting, "I've never faked an orgasm with you. The only reason I keep having sex with you is because you're so darn good at it. But there's never been a point where I've looked at you and thought, 'I want to have sex with that guy right now.'"

Most of her "initiations" are things like, "If you want sex I won't say no" or "I'm not opposed to it right now" or "If you're in the mood I could deal with it." I often tell her, "If you want it, just say you want it." She replies, "But I don't want it, I just know you do." Obviously after those crap initiations I really don't

Ok, I get that this is not ideal. But you are not being denied. I think part of the problem here is that you expect HER to initiate, and yet the prevailing wisdom is that it is the MAN'S job to initiate sex.

For some further background, she was raised in the churchy culture that suppresses female sexuality, telling them that it's dirty and wrong. She comments that one of the reasons she never really wants sex is because it just smells gross and feels sticky. There's a connotation that if you have to clean up afterward, it's dirty, which reaffirms what the church always told her. Her parents only told her horror stories about sex and pain and all that trash.

This sounds like a classic case of Catholic Guilt^{^TM} . Are you guys Catholic?

When I walk away from bad sex, she always blames it on things from 15 years ago when we were dating.

I'm not a fan of walking away from bad sex - it's still sex, after all, and God's purpose for it goes far beyond mere physical enjoyment. I have found that when I tried it once, while it worked and we had great sex after, there was an air of coercion around the whole thing. It didn't feel right, like I was manipulating her to get what I wanted.

I do desperately want to leave, abandon my love for God and just go be with any one of the dozen or more girls who gave me their number last year, but I know it's not right and I care about my faith too much to make that move.

Brother, we all feel that way from time to time. But you know where you stand, and that's a very good thing! Sometimes it's not easy to do the right thing, and the world will tell you you're a fool.

But does that mean I'm just in a crap situation that can't be fixed?

I'm reminded of 2 Cor. 12, where Paul talks about the thorn in his flesh. My sex-life is the thorn in my flesh right now. Do I just accept that God's grace is sufficient for me and make the most of a bad situation? Or is there something deeper that RP and godliness alone just can't fix? What else is there?

It certainly sounds like you're doing all the right things - both from a secular point of view and a Christian point of view. So I think one of three things may be happening:

This is your thorn in the flesh, as you mentioned. It is certainly possible that God wants you to accept that His grace is sufficient for you.
Psalm 27:14 says "Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen your heart: wait, I say, on the LORD." So God may be making you wait for this to change, and to trust Him to make a change where you see no possibility of the situation changing.
Psalm 37:4 says "Delight yourself also in the Lord, and He shall give you the desires of your heart." So the desire of your heart would obviously be a fulfilling sex life with a wife that truly desires you. So are you delighting yourself in the Lord, or are you serving Him out of a sense of duty? The two can certainly look alike - it's the attitude of the heart that matters.

MickelHJ · 2018-05-02T06:24:01+00:00

In terms of seeking an answer, you have not mentioned any lengthy period of prayer as a Christian. My wife and I were verging on separation and I saw no fix possible bar a miracle and I put it to God. I prayed and prayed and he led me to TRP and that saved us. If you know all the info on TRP and MRP then the answers may already be inside you, but are yet to be discovered. Don't always rely on yourself, nor other flawed humans - put it to God in prayer and led him guide you to the answers. Have faith and when you come to an answer that leaves you with peace in your heart you will know that is the right answer.

SteelSharpensSteel · 2018-05-02T08:06:03+00:00

Wow, man, that sucks. Especially this part.

On Sunday my wife drops a few bombs. She's not attracted to me and never has been. I asked about when we were dating and she said, "Even when we were dating I simply didn't find you attractive - and I know you're even better looking now [I went from a runner build to a muscular build]." In her words, "The church always taught me that I should find the godliest man I could and marry him and that nothing else mattered, so that's what I did. And in that way you've never disappointed me. But when I married you I was ignoring the fact that I'm not attracted to you because the church told me that God would make it all work out if I just found a godly man."

Honestly, it sounds like she has a very negative viewpoint of sex, stemming from her childhood. Is there any way you can get her to therapy around this?

It also makes me wonder what brought that comment on. Is she depressed? Is this a "right now" feeling?

That stuff from 15 years ago - any way you can "overwrite" that with the current you? Obviously that's difficult, but if you keep showing the new and improved you - do you think that can change her?

Also, agree with the prayer comment.

shr3dthegnarbrah · 2018-05-02T12:35:59+00:00

Thank you so much for this post.

As far as the prayer comments: One of the things that drove me to places like this was a lack of actionable training or guidance from other christians. Sure, prayer should be a part of your life; I've been hearing that since I was 5. No one told me to lift or to flirt or to treat myself as the prize until I came here.

Now how does a man build a marriage that includes enthusiastic sex?

CaptJohnLukeDiscard · 2018-05-02T14:13:48+00:00

Have you guys done any sort of studies together on SoS or anything like that? Has she received counseling on this issue? What was her sexual activity level before you guys were together? Was she physically or sexually abused at any point?

It sounds like she has unhealed trauma which hasn’t been helped by her church’s garbage teaching on sex.

Red-Curious · 2018-05-02T16:48:45+00:00

Something's obviously not clicking here. I will say, I posted something similar as my very first post on askMRP and several of the responses I got were: "Some people are just too damaged to be fixed, even if you become RP." I got those responses because at the time I was trying to hold a pity party for mself, making it seem like my situation was more hopeless than it actually was. But you've been around the block enough to know this, it seems. Maybe yours really is one of those cases. Who knows.

Part of the disconnect I'm seeing is the whole catch-and-release thing mixed in with your professions of spiritual maturity. To be fair, I've made posts on this sub acknowledging that this type of conduct can be done in a non-sinful way, so I could give you the benefit of the doubt, but I have trouble doing it knowing that most guys probably do have sinful intent in why they're doing it in the first place, and I should probably go back and re-write some of those posts, if I had the time.

without changing my theology to suit my whims if I want to have sex again, I'm either going to wait until my wife dies or we're going to figure this out

As a man in the same boat as you, I can support and encourage this attitude. Don't back down from a theological conviction to appease your flesh. If you genuinely change theological views, that's fine, but don't let the flesh be the root of that change because you know it's always going to lead you astray. That's the whole point of the Spirit being the one to instill our convictions, not our flesh.

the church told me that God would make it all work out if I just found a godly man

There's a female version of the blue pill if I ever saw one. Matthew 6:33 is talking about daily provision, not all of our hopes, wishes, and dreams.

This is obviously normal comfort test garbage, so I reply in kind and pull her out of it and she offers to screw me again

Here's another part of that disconnect. She's saying she's not attracted to you, but she sees you handling your crap and being awesome and adding value to her life and pulling her out of her crazy woman feels and suddenly she wants sex with you ... and you don't believe her.

You say her words and actions align, but here's a clear example where her actions demonstrated that she got the tingles for you despite whatever she thinks of your looks, and you decided to listen to her words instead. Darn right you goofed!

Now, if you're really endorsed on MRP you'd know that a woman's SMV is based virtually entirely on looks and seduction. But you should also know that a man's is not. You're looking at how you evaluate women and assume she's evaluating you the exact same way. In reality, women do account for looks in a man's SMV, but they also account for his income, his charisma, his alpha/dominance/confidence, social status, leadership, etc.

In light of this distinction: It makes perfect sense for her to say, "Your looks, for me, are a low factor, but all these other qualities about you are still really attractive, add to your SMV, and make me enjoy having sex with you." You're saying you don't believe her anymore because she doesn't evaluate sexuality in men the same way you evaluate it in women. That's a big perception problem.

To be clear, you're expecting her to LOOK AT YOU and want to have sex with you when she's already said that your looks are not a sexual trigger for her. So what? Do you see how this makes no logical sense? Use one of the other attraction triggers that make up your SMV as something she can get into. You make good money? Go withdraw a few hundred ones and spread them across your bed and screw her on top of it. She likes that you're spiritually mature? Go read some racy passages with her and tell her you're going to do that to her right now as a way of "applying Scripture." You're a good leader? Like /u/rocknrollchuck said - you be the one to initiate and lead her into that bedroom. You should already know this stuff, but it's easy to forget it when in the midst of your own problems. If I had a dime for every time there was a simple solution to my issues that I couldn't see until someone with an outside perspective had to share it with me ... I'd have a big handful of dimes.

Now, you said elsewhere:

when I'm the one to initiate those are the times it's most common to get crummy sex that I end up walking away from. That fundamental responsive desire is not kicking in for her

I'm starting to wonder if you're not trapped in your own head here. You see this physical attraction issue as such an important thing that you're letting that shape how you perceive her during sex. Is she star-fishing you? What is it about that sex that makes it so bad? Or are you just perceiving it as crappy because she's not the one who initiated it, so you're assuming she must not be into it?

she is adamant that there was only one time where she had sex out of duty (which doesn't reconcile well to me)

Dude, that's exactly what I'm talking about. She's into it, you don't believe her, so you spoil the fun for yourself. Cut that crap out. Oh yeah, and ...

I've never faked an orgasm with you. The only reason I keep having sex with you is because you're so darn good at it.

So what if she doesn't find you physically attractive? You've got it made so much better than many other men here anyway. You've got no reason to be complaining. If this were r/BlackPillChristians that'd be a different story - but we're not for a reason.

Most of her "initiations" are things like ...

Yet you say that these are the times she's most into it. So, once again, is this a perception problem in how you're viewing her and she really is into it or are you lying to us about something?

She says it's not duty sex, but it sure feels like it a lot of the time, though we do have some passionate times too.

How is she moving her body differently between these two situations? Or is it that you're just not feeling passionate about it?

Look, I feel your pain. My wife was raised in that churchy culture too and it about killed our marriage with all the negative psychological garbage about sex that was impressed on her - and it still has an impact and causes problems for us. But you've got this stuff figured out. You've got a mission that she respects and presumably helps you with. You're leading your home, parenting your kids, getting crap done, etc. - and she sees all of this. She's not turning you down. You've got regular sex.

Things aren't perfect. They're never going to be perfect. If it wasn't your looks, it would have been something else. You're not a perfect 10 and you can't expect her to desire you as if you were one. If she's going to knock you down a peg or two for something, what does it matter if it's looks or any other of the factors that make up your SMV? The fact is that in her eyes you're still a solid 9 and she wants to screw you. Yeah, her initiations are weak, and you probably know the psychology behind that better than I do. But you shouldn't be looking for her to initiate in the first place - and be grateful you've got a wife willing to initiate at all!

Is this a thorn in the flesh scenario? I don't think your sex-life is. I think your perception about your wife's sexuality is. But who knows. Take that for what you will.

Deep_Strength · 2018-05-02T19:01:12+00:00

Several things to note, including some of the ones /u/Red-Curious mentioned said in slightly different manner.

Don't let your expectations become an idol

It's great if our wives were all over us all the time, but it can be elevated to the point where you can become bitter and dissatisfied with what otherwise seems to be a good amount of duty and passionate sex in your marriage.

Duty sex is fine: usually you can draw her into being more passionate about it anyway if you're good which she says you are.

Don't let attraction become an idol

It's easy to counsel to men to workout because muscles tend to be attractive to women. But some women just aren't that much attracted to looks. It's very easy to get frustrated and bitter if you're objectively "more attractive," but if it's just not her thing then you're not going to get anywhere cause of it.

You're healthy and fit and can play well with your kids. You can throw your wife around in the bedroom. It doesn't need to be an attraction trigger. If it needs to increase her attraction, then you're making it an idol.

Help her to process and bring her concerns to God in prayer and meditation. (E.g. love her to sanctification Eph 5)

It's important to discuss that (1) those in the Church are not always right about things in the Bible and (2) it can have far reaching negative effects on marriage.

Why is she continuing to cling onto her past and not let it go? When we become Christians, all our sins are washed away because we repent and turn away from our past. It does not define us. Take off the old, and put on the new. She needs to take off the old, and put on the new.

Bring up relevant Scriptures (e.g. Song of Songs, Proverbs, etc.) about how sex is not dirty but holy in marriage. Have her go to God and pray and meditate on the Scriptures.

Get out of the exchange mindset because it's a strong turn off in marriage

"I pulled the psychologist card and asked, "Do you actually want to have sex with me or are you just using sex because you want something from me, like some kind of emotional connection that you're not feeling right now?" She said the latter and once again affirmed that she doesn't ever really want sex, but she knows it's something she has to do to get other things out of me she wants, so she makes the best of it."

Whenever someone thinks they need to exchange something for another thing in marriage, it is basically like a "works" mentality for a Christian. We cannot "work" enough for salvation. It is a gift given by God through Jesus freely to us.

The obligations in marriage including sex are irrespective of the other's actions. In other words, you will love her by your actions regardless, and she should not feel like she has to exchange sex for anything.

This will take the pressure off of her feeling like she has to have sex, which should psychologically open up more enjoyment. If you feel have to "work" for something then you usually "enjoy" it less.

"Personal taste"

It may be a good idea to find out what exactly this is. Is it a certain style? Personality? Or what?

My wife is noticeably more attracted and turned on when I have longer styled hair than short. Same if I wear more "hipster-ish" type clothing than what I usually wear. She helped me select out the glasses that she liked.

There's nothing wrong with catering to her particular tastes to help her along. I'd categorize this as being "understanding" and "honoring" of the wife from 1 Pet 3.

Remember, look at actions over words

Kind of obvious, but since discovering MRP has your marriage and sex life overall improvement? If so, which it seems like according to your post, then things are working.

Maybe not as you'd like them to work (e.g. it would be nice is her words and actions matched), but they are working objectively.

From a spiritual perspective: Her obedience is more important than trying to convince her how to feel about things or even say the right things. Don't fall into the trap of trying to reason with her emotions or feelings.

The great part about the Christian faith is that words influence actions and actions influence words. If we continually choose good, it will change our minds. If we change our minds, we can continually choose good. You have part of the cycle right as she is choosing good: to be obedient and have sex. It takes time to change her mind, and also leading above to help her remove the old.

hopeunseen · 2018-05-06T00:52:21+00:00

Holy crap, that sounds like where I'm heading. No matter how good I become, she'll always see me as the Beta I have always been and she will be forever psychologically broken. I'm stuck with a woman who will probably never be attracted to me. All the inhibitions about sex that your wife mentions (smells, sticky, icky, yuck) is the same stuff my wife doesn't like about it. I need whatever answers are to your question too. Mine just has never been so honest as yours to express such honest confession of disinterest.

justtenofusinhere · 2018-05-06T16:30:10+00:00

First, I think she played a huge power move on you and hit you where she knew you were weakest--her attraction to you. She wasn't telling the truth, or lying, she was attacking. Lies, truth, what ever was going to hurt or do damage was launched, without regards to veractiy, just efficacy.

Second, and this is because you are elevating theology above everything else. Are you certain you understand scripture's teachings on marriage?

In both Matthew (chapter 22) and Mark (12), Jesus talks about marriage. The set up is he's asked about marriage in heaven (more precisely after the resurection). He responds that there will be no marriage. Instead, people will be like angles.

This has always seemed intereing to me for the implications. Primarily, if heaven/post resurection/what ever you want to call it is the ideal, perfect realization of God's perfect plan, and it doesn't incllude marriage, then marriage is not ideal. At best, it is a concession.

Jesus' discussion on divorce seems to follow this up, where the discples interpret what he says as indicating you shouldn't get married and his response is often intrepted to compare it to being a eunoch.

This is also consistent with Paul's admonisions that while marriage is not wrong, it is not best (there is a lot of debate as to whether Paul is speaking about marriage or sex, or something similar, but for this I'm working with marriage).

The intersting thing is that in 1 Chorinthians chapter 7, he takes it a bit further. He states that if you are going to get married, only do so because you "burn with desire." He then goes on to state clearly that having gotten married, withholding sex, except through mutual agreement, is unequivically wriong. Paul consistently has concerns with how unrestrained sex or unresolved sexual frustration seems to be a huge corrupting force in people.

Finally, we see a similar take in how marriage is treated in I Peter chapter 3. There "Peter" is responding to a quetion about if it is appropriate to divorce given the circumstances. I find it interesting that the person asking the question seems to have no hesitation to ask about getting a divorce. Most soscieties still had bad reaction to divorce, so I doubt it was cultural, so it appears at least some christians had little/no issues with divorce. What more important, and telling, is the response. "Peter" doesn't explode with "how dare you contemplate divorce." Also, he doesn't start regailing the questioner with the sacred nature of marriage and how it's God's plan. He doesn't even seem concerned with the marriage at all, in fact. He has two concerns. First, could that be an opportunity to share Christ's meassage? Second, the questioner's personal attitutde in service to God and others.

I take from this: do not pedestalize marriage. It's a concession. More importantly, you aren't pedestalizing marriage, you're pedestalizing yourself. Your whole issue is a big cry of "my wife doesn't find me sexy enough, guys, what should I do?"

Your wife is not your priority. What she thinks of you is not your priority. God and his mission is your priority. Your marriage should be feeding your ability to do that both directly and indirectly. Are you getting so horny you can't focus on anything else? Go rail your wife, that's what she's for. In fact, why are you waiting so long that you get that distracted? Did she fail to follow Paul's advice about only marring for desire? Maybe, but tough crap on her, there's always a penatly for not following God's plan. Marriage isn't about happy ever after, it's about getting through. Is she giving you duty sex? Then she's obeying, what's the problem?

Here's the flip. Men want women, women want more. She married you for more, you married her for vag. You're both getting what you want. When you buy her a car, are you dong it for no reason other than you love her, or is it because it's what your marriage needs? Does she care? No, she just wants the shiney new car. Is this paradise? No, but marriage can't be, it's just a concession. It sounds like you are both good people. It sounds like you both are trying to follow God.

You'll get past this when you get over yourself.

Willow-girl · 2018-05-02T13:22:09+00:00

In her words, "The church always taught me that I should find the godliest man I could and marry him and that nothing else mattered, so that's what I did. And in that way you've never disappointed me. But when I married you I was ignoring the fact that I'm not attracted to you because the church told me that God would make it all work out if I just found a godly man."

Your wife chose with her head, not her heart. A lot of us have made that mistake. I didn't come to the realization until I was in my early 30s, after we'd built the big house and both of our careers were well underway. I looked around and realized I had everything I wanted except a man I truly loved. In the heat of the proverbial battle, that hadn't seemed important, but once things settled down and I had some breathing space, I realized my mistake.

Today she was crying again, saying she wished she could just die because, in her words, "You don't need me. You can do everything. You've got a great job, you're a wonderful dad, you can handle the house on your own," etc. Then she adds, "If I died you'd be able to find a new girl in a day and be happy."

I think your wife realizes what she needs to do here, but the scary part is that she sees dying as the preferred alternative to starting over and living authentically! :-o I suspect that's due to her religious constraints, which limit her options. Also, dying is probably less scary to her than grabbing the reins and exercising her agency for the first time in her life ...

So what should you do? I wish I could say that my second husband did X, Y or Z, and I magically became attracted to him; everything got better and we rode off into the sunset together. So, all you have to do is ,,,,,,! But that didn't happen. I guess my best advice would be to listen to her and validate her viewpoint. Don't try to tell her why she's wrong or shouldn't feel that way. She already realizes that objectively you're a great guy and she's a lucky woman, etc. Encourage her to think in terms of what she wants. Not what's best for her or even the kids, but what she wants from life. If she's like most women, there will be a huge amount of guilt and resistance to even thinking about what she wants because she's not used to looking at life that way. But underneath all of that guilt and sense of duty and religious teaching, her spirit is struggling to break free and soar.

So, practical suggestions: I think it may help if you can put a little distance between you and your wife. If you back off a bit and she can view you from a distance, she may realize she likes what she sees more than she thought she would. If you're not around much, she might start to miss you. It's kind of a long shot, but frankly you don't have many options.

Also, I think some sort of trial separation isn't un-Biblical; it only crosses the line if you start dating or having sex with other people while separated. (You are creating a false dichotomy if you believe your only options are to stay in your marriage or leave it and start seeing other people.) If she moved straight from her parents' house (or a college dorm) into marriage, and has never had to shift for herself, she likely lacks proper appreciation for what a husband brings to the table. A little reality check may be a good thing! And if it turns out she runs off with Chad, lol, you're released from your bond; you receive a Get Out Of Marriage Free card.

justtenofusinhere · 2018-05-06T16:18:09+00:00

First, I think she played a huge power move on you and hit you where she knew you were weakest--her attraction to you. She wasn't telling the truth, or lying, she was attacking. Lies, truth, what ever was going to hurt or do damage was launched, without regards to veractiy, just efficacy.

Second, and this is because you are elevating theology above everything else. Are you certain you understand scripture's teachings on marriage?

In both Matthew (chapter 22) and Mark (12), Jesus talks about marriage. THe set up is he's asked about marriage in heaven (more precisely after the resurection). He responds that there will be no marriage. Instead, people will be like angles.

This has always seemed intereing to me for the implications. Primarily, if heaven/post resurection/what ever you want to call it is the ideal, perfect realization of God's perfect plan, and it doesn't incllude marriage, then marriage is not ideal. At best, it is a concession.

Jesus' discussion on divorce seems to follow this up, where the discples interpret what he says as indicating you shouldn't get married and his response is often intrepted to compare it to being a eunoch.

This is also consistent with Paul's admonisions that while marriage is not wrong, it is not best (there is a lot of debate as to whether Paul is speaking about marriage or sex, or something similar, but for this I'm working with marriage).

The intersting thing is that in 1 Chorinthians chapter 7, he takes it a bit further. He states that if you are going to get married, only do so because you "burn with desire." He then goes on to state clearly that having gotten married, withholding sex, except through mutual agreement, is unequivically wriong. Paul consistently has concerns with how unrestrained sex or unresolved sexual frustration seems to be a huge corrupting force in people.

Finally, we see a similar take in how marriage is treated in I Peter chapter 3. There "Peter" is responding to a quetion about if it is appropriate to divorce given the circumstances. I find it interesting that the person asking the question seems to have no hesitation to ask about getting a divorce. Most soscieties still had bad reaction to divorce, so I doubt it was cultural, so it appears at least some christians had little/no issues with divorce. What more important, and telling, is the response. "Peter" doesn't explode with "how dare you contemplate divorce." ALso, he doesn't start regailing the questioner with the sacred nature of marriage and how it's God's plan. He doesn't even seem concerned with the marriage at all, in fact. He has two concerns. First, could that be an opportunity to share Christ's meassage? Second, the questioner's personal attitutde in service to God and others.

I take from this: do not pedestalize marriage. It's a concession. More importantly, you aren't pedestalizing marriage, you're pedestalizing yourself. Your whole issue is a big bitch cry of "my wife doesn't find me sexy enough, guys, what should I do?"

Your wife is not your priority. What she thinks of you is not your priority. God and his mission is your priority. Your marriage should be feeding your ability to do that both directly and indirectly. Are you getting so horny you can't focus on anything else? Go rail your wife, that's what she's for. In fact, why are you waiting so long that you get that distracted? DId she fail to follow Paul's advice about only marring for desire? Maybe, but tough shit on her, there's always a penatly for not following God's plan. Marriage isn't about happy ever after, it's about getting through. Is she giving you duty sex? Then she's obeying, what's the problem?

Here's the flip. Men want women, women want more. She married you for more, you married her for pussy. You're both getting what you want. When you buy her a car, are you dong it for no reason other than you love her, or is it because it's what your marriage needs? Does she care? No, she just wants the shiney new car. Is this paradise? No, but marriage can't be, it's just a concession. It sounds like you are both good people. It sounds like you both are trying to follow God.

You'll get past this whhen you get over yourself.

Whitified · 2018-05-02T08:20:03+00:00

and she said, "blahblahblah, yapyapyap, blahblahblah blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah

As the conversation went on, she stated that "blahblahblah, yappity yap yap yap! blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

oh gawd, so much blah!

When I walk away from bad sex, she always blames it on things from 15 years ago

lol BS

she was raised in the churchy culture that suppresses female sexuality

Church culture never tell women that their sexuality is wrong. Don't ever fall for this BS

She comments that one of the reasons she never really wants sex is because it just smells gross and feels sticky.

I'm 95% confident she masturbates to 50 shades of grey

Just keep improving yourself. Ignore anything that comes out of a certain orifice on her face. /u/OsmiumZulu time for your mandatory copy paste

Here's a funny thought. Why don't you don't have sex with her until she begs you for it? Don't even spank her butt or anything. Don't be guilt-ed into it. I bet she'll be singing a different tune

Title	I'd love some biblical feedback.
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