Thinking about getting married?

bythesword86 · 2019-01-21T18:57:03+00:00

Got fucked by woman my whole life, thank god I never got married. Thank you for even more clarification brother.

bonethugsgoat · 2019-01-21T20:01:38+00:00

Woman cheats and fucks up the entire marriage, the man gets fucked over in the divorce, and people wonder why the marriage rates are dropping.

tdh792 · 2019-01-21T15:31:54+00:00

Sorry to hear. Roughly the same happened to me.

No fault divorce is why marriage should be banned.

Please everyone, do everything you can to stop good men from getting married. DO NOT attend weddings. Grow a pair and stand in protest of this stupidity.

There is no fine print. It is right there flashing in your face loud and clear. Any success you may have will be stolen from you. Plain and simple.

My vow to my ex wife. I am determined to work harder than any person on this planet and not only will I make the money I lost back, I will earn 10x the wealth than had I stayed in the marriage. I will do it by staying focused and never letting a vial "partner" waste a second of my time.

jimjames1967 · 2019-01-21T18:56:39+00:00

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Fantoche_Dreemurr · 2019-01-21T20:14:35+00:00

There is not a single valid reason to marry in 2019, it's as simple as that

JohnPettimore · 2019-01-21T20:52:56+00:00

You can spend decades building a home, a family, a career and it can all evaporate in a matter of weeks. It happened to me. I ended up homeless. I have a degree from a Top Ten law school, and no problems with drugs, alcohol, anything. Not kidding. I would rather be shot than go through that again. Against my will, my three daughters, who I love more than anything on this Earth, were moved 2,500 miles away. Something like that damages you in a way you never fully get over. I will never forget telling my oldest what was going to happen, while on a walk one evening, and having her dissolve into tears sitting on the curb next to me, and just be wracked with sobs for a long time. Listen to the OP. Do not get married -- it is just suicide.

Overcast30 · 2019-01-21T19:47:40+00:00

To be fair, if you have children at all in this world they're going to grow up fucked up. I agree with you though, no benefit to marriage. Making that step from gf to wife is just signing away your rights. Seriously what benefit does marriage have.

In my workplace most of the people are married. We are all early 20s so it surprises me that everyone's married. I have a girlfriend and people ask me all the time if we're going to get married. I just say "who knows" but I know in my head there's no way in hell I would. It's so hilarious to me once you can see through blue pilled shaming lines to the insecurities that lie within people.

XavierMalory · 2019-01-21T19:01:43+00:00

On the bright side, horror stories like this one (my condolences btw) are being spread like a virus. I've talked to guys in their 20's who know all about MGTOW and they are becoming what every woman hates: A pump n dump chump. No more commitment, because they know it's suicide.

So hats off to feminism for destroying the very system that gives them money. May they all die screaming.

Sol_Install · 2019-01-21T18:26:20+00:00

Marriage is about the transfer of the man's earned resources to benefiting the woman and the children. All done under the guise of family. Even in marriages where the women work, men generally still do get fucked over.

Fathers with daughters say it as well. They will point out how unreliable men can be while promoting marrying a man with money. Only to then accuse other men who got cleaned of "choosing the wrong one". Despite the fact that A)you can't CHOSE who you're attracted to and B)it's the same system they endorse.

Listen when people speak. You never hear just being YOU is good enough. Part of your package will and has always been MONEY. We are men. You can take the reaction from both men and women towards men as "Oh well, tough shit." This is why we don't get support.

If there is one thing you need to grasp is that if men and women are more than willing to turn their back on a man and leave him to rot, why would you do anything that is not in YOUR best interest? Look at OP here. What woman thinks he's a Real Man? What man thinks he has balls of steel because he got married? Fucking no one. There is no benefit to getting married. People don't care what happens to you.

jimjames1967 · 2019-01-21T18:58:44+00:00

Marriage is a rigged game. It's basically extortion and male slavery.

livingstranger · 2019-01-21T18:29:09+00:00

Never again. But I needed the devastation that was divorce to wake me up.

throwaway_ftb · 2019-01-21T21:20:36+00:00

never marry and never have kids. if ur gonna have sex, get a vasectomy.

TruthSeekingPerson · 2019-01-21T20:44:10+00:00

Unfortunately the marriage laws encourage women to "follow their hearts" and blow up the marriage when they get bored. It is definitely insane to get married. I can understand having kids if you want them but marriage in this country is like handing a child a loaded weapon and hoping they don't shoot you with it.

Everlastcanada · 2019-01-21T18:39:28+00:00

You and me had a similar experience

Texian_Fusilier · 2019-01-21T15:06:12+00:00

Preach brother

StyleandSpeed · 2019-01-21T20:21:06+00:00

Valid points but to me it's not even the divorce rape but more so the post honey moon period where she stops putting out, starts nagging, getting fat and lazy. The financial rape is just a cherry on top of the cake not to consider marriage.

Hope everything turns out for the better. Can't even begin to imagine what you're going through.

[deleted] · 2019-01-21T18:19:55+00:00

Goddamn right... worse for me brother.

Do Not Get Married.

MrMagtow · 2019-01-21T15:28:04+00:00

There has to be a way to fix his. Maybe you can offload the debt to a debt collector? Perhaps you can take her to small claims court for each debt item?
Perhaps if you've paid for the items on credit card, you own them as you own the debt, so you can discuss with the sheriff that you seek to repossess the items? Have a court order drawn up to enter the house with a sheriff and remove the items under supervision. Sell them or return them and have the debt lessened. There are lots of ways to get this sorted. Keep in mind small claims court has a limit, usually $5,000 so don't put everything into the one claim.
edit: also, if you can change jobs or get a lower paying job, ensure you've worked at it for the period necessary and then return to the judge and ask for the child support and alimony to be reduced accordingly.
After sufficient time, if she gets a new boyfriend or husband, you can (depending on your state's laws), either reduce or stop those monthly payments.

U-94 · 2019-01-21T20:44:41+00:00

I'm glad this money thing is a bigger and bigger deal. But I never wanted marriage because sex with the same person would gradually give me nothing to look forward to. Like what would I be excited for on Friday night? Why even bother coming hom from work? Why take a vacation? Why do anything if there's no carrot on a stick of new sex with a new person? Serious existential crisis there.

redveinlover · 2019-01-22T01:58:58+00:00

$1500 month CS +1k vagimony ($30k/yr for 12 yrs)=$360,000

Division of retirement stock portfolio= $71,000

Forced sale of "our" two houses (that I paid 100% of every dollar for) =$32,000 net proceeds to her

12 pension credits valued at approx. $100/credit/month (AND she tried to fight me on taking the 3 credits I earned while we were just dating, unmarried, which was unsuccessful on her end) (this is difficult to estimate, depends on when I retire or if I work til I'm dead and she gets nothing)

Truck valued at $10,000

70% custody of the kids, then pulled a dirty move a year later threatening to sue for full custody if I didn't approve her moving 3 states away with the kids. I was broke and unable to fight in court.

YES BY ALL MEANS, get married, you guys! She won't do this to you. I'm just an exception to the rule. Mine wasn't AWALT, she was going to be by my side til death, until one day she just decided she'd rather get with her drug dealing ex bf and be an "independent woman" on my dime (doesn't that pretty much negate "independent"?).

What have you got to lose?

Shrewski · 2019-01-21T15:16:18+00:00

Amen

platoonpluto · 2019-01-21T21:20:06+00:00

In all seriousness though mate, I hope you are doing okay and realise that you have the inner strength to get through this challenging time.

I’m sure you have irl friends and family to lean on but please use this sub to talk if you ever feel hopeless.

jimjames1967 · 2019-01-21T22:07:26+00:00

man, thanks for sharing. im speechless. i lost only maybe 20000$ through a pointless short-term marriage, a high price for me and money i still miss but that of course pales in comparison and is on another level. i hope posts like yours help people to avoid having to go through the same.

XxRandomguyxX · 2019-01-21T23:12:12+00:00

Im 20 and im never getting married. Im so glad I've found MGTOW it may have literally saved my life.

Im really sorry about what happened to you. I cant imagine going through that.

Radiz18 · 2019-01-22T02:28:24+00:00

She's never yours, it's just your turn. Simps better wake up.

SuperSaiyanBroly737 · 2019-01-22T02:21:27+00:00

Those are just the financial costs. How about the psychological stress? Getting cucked by Chad must be a mental torture. Losing custody of your kids and your ex-wife's new (unvetted by you) Chad boyfriend gets to live in the same house with them? I sure hope your kids aren't girls.

Atton_Risk · 2019-01-22T02:27:29+00:00

This is why r/MGTOW is growing

TObestcityinworld · 2019-01-21T20:24:20+00:00

Switch to markdown

Careful_Description · 2019-01-21T20:29:41+00:00

Hey I saw this comment somewhere else. It was really shocking to see the figures even though I don't have plans to be married.

LiveTheTruth321 · 2019-01-21T22:34:28+00:00

I saw you comment this in another post. I really am sorry you have to deal with this.

TrojanPiece · 2019-01-21T23:56:34+00:00

My mother literally kidnapped me out of the house and ran away from my father in the dead of the night. He has been an alcoholic for the majority of his life after then. Because of his alcohol problems and him being a bitter asshole, we never got along for the majority of my adolescence. But after taking the red pill, I can only understand all of the emotional and psychological strain that had caused him.

lastlaugh100 · 2019-01-22T00:18:11+00:00

Thanks for confirming my decision to get a vasectomy when I was 23 and having multiple women walk away from me because I refused to marry them after what they felt was "time to get married or end it".

Tsukikoselenia · 2019-01-22T03:36:36+00:00

Do. Not. Ever. Get. Married. The risks are INSANE! The reward is negligible.

..There IS a reward? That's new to me.

salvaje_mgtow · 2019-01-22T04:40:54+00:00

I bet the ppl downvoting are feminist saying to themselves “well if she cheated is his fall for not giving her what she “deserves” you go girl get that dick and take the money....

jimjames1967 · 2019-01-21T20:37:18+00:00

Why are you paying child support if she got pumped by Chad?

Liberalism_Disease · 2019-01-22T02:43:02+00:00

Holy shit how many kids do you have and how much do you make

laptopdragon · 2019-01-22T04:07:17+00:00

thanks for sharing.
fwiw, a good friend of mine just told me he proposed to his gf and she said "duh, yes", and this seriously raises a red flag that's dropping red pills, but he's blue through n through.

I'm going to show him this post.

[deleted] · 2019-01-22T05:23:12+00:00

This is why mgtow continues to talk about women, because we need to remind ourselves and lurkers why mgtow exist in the first place.

mgtowthrowww · 2019-01-22T05:32:27+00:00

If I had been married, I’d be in jail from not writing her checks. I could barely feed myself for a short time there (business failed).

I saved thousands on no wedding and thousands more by having a breakup instead of a divorce. Thank God. Best of luck to the others.

Lubomir1994 · 2019-01-22T06:16:23+00:00

Thank you for making me further MGTOW.

DLR-Adapting · 2019-01-21T22:54:34+00:00

What happens if you move to a different country ?

NickPRivers · 2019-01-21T23:00:49+00:00

My numbers, in your categories:

I did not have 50/50 custody of my children. (They are now young adults.)

Child support: $2000/mo. ($1000/child) = ~$252,000

Marital debt dumped onto my lap = $49,000.

Bankruptcy. House foreclosed. 2 cars repossessed.

Even though I paid child support, she refused to pay (which is within her rights in our state. I have no say in how she spent the CS) for ANY activities. Thousands and thousands of $ I spent so my kids could be given opportunities to excel. She didn't care about their upbringing for normal kid-related costs. Her own material needs came first, and were fulfilled with the $ I was forced (with the threat of jail) to give to her.

Costs (to me) of ending the marriage: well in excess of $300,000, bankruptcy, loss of a dream home, loss of being an every-day father to my kids, loss of choice in life (cannot take a chance on a dream when CS is required by law), loss of dignity, loss of mind (temporarily).

Amount of $252,000 she saved for college: Zero.

So, yeah... go ahead. Get married. I'm sure perfect marriages are created every day, but think about the risks of taking that chance...

Agonarch01 · 2019-01-22T01:34:18+00:00

Men aren't being commitment-phobes by avoiding marriage...they're being smart.

clearvision12345 · 2019-01-22T02:54:20+00:00

Don't have the time, brainpower and money to deal with this type of shit. Just GYOW!

wathon2 · 2019-01-22T03:07:02+00:00

Trad cuck: married men live and longer and make more money than single men.

Me: hmm, perhaps. but you know who make less money than single men? Divorced men. And we all know that marriage is just the first step to divorce.

TakeYourDailyDose · 2019-01-22T04:08:23+00:00

The risks are INSANE! The reward is negligible.

Sums it up nicely; a simple risk/reward assessment of marriage (or even standard relationships) outside of a social shaming echo chamber will inevitably tell you that it's a fucking terrible deal.

Stay strong, brother!

[deleted] · 2019-01-22T04:41:20+00:00

amen

robowriter · 2019-01-22T06:45:10+00:00

Great post.

Do. Not. Ever. Get. Married. Worth repeating.

14b755fe39 · 2019-01-22T08:15:11+00:00

I am assuming in the US?, wow that sucks balls

BoskOfPortKar · 2019-01-22T09:16:09+00:00

I guess you are not rich nor in the US ?

dazed111 · 2019-01-22T10:52:00+00:00

What if I'm not an american living in america

EM-50 · 2019-01-22T13:36:53+00:00

Old Dude here. I got burned in Family Court as well. I was too blind to see all the warnings and red flags before I got married. Now, I tell my young nephews to NEVER get married.

When I was young, there was a comedian named Sam Kinison who gave this warning, which I enjoyed at the time, but was too stupid to heed.

richbeezy · 2019-01-22T14:02:25+00:00

I just dont understand how this is allowed. If either the husband or wife cheats, they should get nothing and not have primary custody.

Why the fuck do we make adultery “illegal” if absolutely nothing is done when it happens?

I dont know if this is particular to your state or not, but this should be a universal law much like how you cant rob a bank legally in ANY state.

No way in hell that I will ever re-marry again with these laws (or lack thereof) in place.

Its almost like the state wants to discourage marriage the laws are so bad.

MesaBoogeyMan · 2019-01-22T14:08:16+00:00

Funny how they feel like it's not equal out there. The courts sure as shit don't reflect that.

Supersonic_staples · 2019-01-23T00:37:45+00:00

Feel your pain.

Disagreement ended the marriage...I thought it was inappropriate for her to be sleep with her Co-worker and she disagreed.

50/50 custody, still ordered to pay ex-wife 100% table rate child support despite her income being 3x mine.

$90k equalization payment.

$35k in personal legal fees and rapidly counting.

DO.NOT.GET.MARRIED

Pygmalion_95 · 2019-01-23T20:43:14+00:00

WOW. Just WOW. You'd never think of something like that when your sweet girl is lying on your chest, saying she loves you.

Can never get enough RedPills, brother. I feel your pain, but know that your sharing this info is helping to save young men's lives. Mine included.

yonathanfisher · 2019-01-21T23:55:20+00:00

Sounds hard.

Meanwhile, I fucked a hot 20-year-old for $300 on Saturday night. Guessing your wife wasn't that young when you started with her.

Feel for you bro.

[deleted] · 2019-01-22T06:05:01+00:00

Its your fault that she cheated you didnt give her enough attention so she had to go find it somewhere else /s

RecycledFiber · 2019-02-15T05:42:22+00:00

This post convinced me to get a prenup with my partner — he’s absolutely fantastic, but it is always good to protect yourself.

EfficientSpeaker · 2019-03-09T12:34:22+00:00

Don't worry i hope you will get through this .

Do you mind telling me How much do you make in a year , how many children do you have and how long you guys were married ?

BroCapn · 2019-01-22T01:27:10+00:00

When the legal and justice system fails to bring reasonable outcomes, I see no issue with vigilanteism to the degree necessary. She's happy ruining your life, don't consider hers more inportant than yours. But that's just me.

Or move to Poland.

Thinking about getting married?

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Title	Thinking about getting married?
Author	jimjames1967
Upvotes	977
Comments	202
Date	January 21, 2019 3:04 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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