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Building Power - The brainstorm

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January 12, 2018

If you haven't read my address yet, please start here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7pyfzo/building_power_your_tribe/

I am starting this open-ended thread as a continuation of my discussion of building power.

One of changes we are planning for /r/theredpill is utilizing our strength in numbers and unity to continue building out an infrastructure that benefits like-minded men and gives us the tools and power to succeed in life and control our own fates.

As such, please use this space to brainstorm ideas that men here can contribute to that could aid in this front.

The TRP.RED development team will be following this thread and while the ideas here don't need to be technological in nature, we will be selecting ideas that we believe would benefit the community that we could undertake ourselves (with volunteers if any are willing) to bring power and strength to our infrastructure.

Some other ideas I'll just spitball here:

  • A men's anti-feminism legal fund

  • A one-to-one mentor/apprentice matching system to allow men to gain life and career skills

  • A new school accreditation system outside of our current system that competes with the currently feminized system


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Title Building Power - The brainstorm
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 108
Comments 127
Date 12 January 2018 06:20 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/48243
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7pyial/building_power_the_brainstorm/
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[–]sx2eck 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy

I think an early foundation can be kept very simple and exist in the open. I was discussing with a friend who owns a tech company in Miami that men's clubs for the purpose of men getting together and sharing ideas do not exist for the under 60 crowd. This has been compounded by the isolation of internet communication.

Making this idea into a successful business (and successful tribe) requires three things: careful selection of the founding members, unabashed marketing once it's off the ground, and no direct association with TRP. You don't talk about fight club, right?

The most effective recruiting for this place is currently the hospital patients of the sexual marketplace: displaced betas exiting bad relationships, incels, and lost boys. That pipeline would improve vastly if we're introducing men indirectly through this club or tribe.

The corner stone of the club is experienced (probably older but not necessarily) men sharing the foundational aspects of masculinity with those who do not have them. Online TRP falls short of this because the community constantly requires new content to survive and thanks to current stigma you can't really reveal your identity and live in the open. That means it's ADD rehashing of the sidebar until the people you really want to have around leave because there's no value for them.

The other major issue is the extreme fucking negativity that permeates TRP today. I don't want to enjoy the decline, and a positive message doesn't have to be soft or touchy feely. I want to tribe up with men and young men who think similarly.

I bet the Archwingers of the world would show up regularly to teach in person. The value is obvious and tangible. /u/redpillschool , what do you think? Specifically, are you against the "no overt association" idea?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 17 points18 points  (9 children) | Copy

Specifically, are you against the "no overt association" idea?

I think there are still protections you must put into place. Individual tribes may be safe to discuss everything with no limits, but only because you trust each other.

The discussions that take place here today are still not safe for a group of strangers, even ones gathered under the same banner. (all it takes is one spy and the media will go nuts!)

I think as we build our power, being a man will become less and less a liability in the future. I mean, you can't be attacked by the media if you own your own business and your customers are part of your larger tribe.

[–]sx2eck 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Ok, we're tracking then. My ideal is a men's club first, introduce the needy to the ideas we discuss here. TRP's customer base is just too big right now; an online community would normally benefit from growth but here we are on lock down.

Not talking about fight club is crucial to success for the reasons you identified. In fact, disavowing perceived association while spreading the message to members who have proven trustworthy is perfect. How very Machiavellian.

Need to increase quality of the consumer to really maximize the value of what we have going on. You and the rest of mod team can continue to control the product - consumer focus is the future of real tribe building.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would second the notion that there is a lack of "mens clubs" for the under 60 crowd, especially for young men to get together and discuss ideas outside of the glaring scrutiny of the feminine imperative. It's one of the unfortunate things we've lost in the modern West, and likely leading to a dearth of free thinkers.

Of course, it's probably better if there is no direct connection to TRP, even if many of the ideas are similar. I think /u/bsutansalt was trying to organize something like this a year or two back, though it was more closely tied to TRP iirc.

[–]Captain_Sorbo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Then why not build a Guild?

[–]Chaddeus_Rex-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

all it takes is one spy and the media will go nuts!)

I have never understood the fear of the media. It says some bad things about you, you laugh and call them stupid and shrug your shoulders and keep going. I think this is a very North American phenomenon. If a large segment of the population stopped fearing the media at once, then it will lose its power.

[–]TheRedPillRipper2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Guard your reputation homie.

[–]JustForTRP-5 points-4 points  (3 children) | Copy

I wanna know why the heck TRP is being taken so seriously.

Its just a subreddit to learn the hows and whys of getting laid.

It aint no counter culture movement man, nor should it be, less it become a meme.

Also why be anon? If you want it to be a movement tribe then be open and up front about it. There are already many silent supporters.

They need a face to cheer for.

Tldr red pill is not to be taken this seriously

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Coming from the guy with a "justfortrp" username.

Read the side bar, maybe brush up on the political history of our sub.

[–]GenieGenius7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because women are a protected class.

[–]2CasaDeFranco4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Why reinvent the wheel?

These organizations exist for under 60 crowd; they aren't filtering on age, they are filtering on status. It's just older men typically have a higher status like barristers, politicians, retired Prime Ministers, professors etc.

I mentioned before, exclusive male-only establishments that are for the elites like the Australia Club in Sydney, Pacific-Union Club for SF, Knickerbocker Club in NYC just need you to be a professional, have good values and are vetted by a member, and can pay the membership (this is around a few k typically).

A few thousand dollars is nothing as an investment as it gives you access to a gym, tennis court, golf course, and finally the network. They will also have reciprocal arrangements with several other private members’ clubs internationally, so if you travel a lot for business it's worth investing in just to have a pied-à-terre in most cities like London, New York, St Petersberg.

That said, they are very discriminating, most will filter you out if you didn't go to the right school, university, if you're not networked, or if you're the wrong race. They're also great to meet high-status women / daughters of wealthy women; if you marry into the right family you're set for life.

[–]1atticusfinch19736 points7 points  (27 children) | Copy

Have you ever explored Freemasonry? It is a men's only society, they base their values on a lot of RP teachings and the history behind the organization is incredible.

My lodge has guys ranging from 25-85 years old and they are all successful men. Lawyers, entrepreneurs, excellent families and generally pretty well put together guys. It's always a great place to just hang out, have a beer and talk about whatever. It's a worldwide organization. I recently went to Mexico and to a lodge there and was welcomed as a brother with open arms by men I've never met.

Not quite along the lines of what you are discussing, but these types of societies do exist, you just have to get out there and find them.

[–]DickZinnendorf 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The problem with Freemasonry is that it claims to be apolitical, when in fact it indoctrinates its members with liberal ideas.

For example, are you aware that in the ritual of Knight Kadosh (30° of the Scottish Rite), the candidate for the degree is instructed to symbolically murder King Philip IV?

"Many circumstances relating to this degree made us believe at first sight that it was connected with Illuminism; but on examination we find it to be only a farther explanation of the Masonic allegory. Here again the candidate is transformed into an assassin. Here it is no longer the founder of Masonry, Hiram, who is to be avenged, but it is Molay the Grand Master of the Knights Templars, and the person who is to fall by the assassin’s hand is Philippe le Bel, King of France, under whose reign the order of the Templars was destroyed." (Barruel, Abbé Augustin. Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism. Vol. III).

The Freemasons were responsible for the French Revolution, which was an abomination of liberalism. As Pike writes, "The secret French Revolution had sworn to overturn the Throne and the Altar upon the Tomb of Jacques de Molay. When Louis XVI was executed, half the work was done." (Pike, Albert. Morals and Dogma).

The reason I bring all of this up is because an antisemitic conservative such as myself is not welcome in Freemasonry. Freemasonry says that politics are not a part of the fraternity, but that is a lie, and history begs to differ. History demonstrates that Freemasonry is utterly political, and that it advances a left-wing political ideology.

That is the problem with Freemasonry. Not its rituals or symbols. I agree that its iconography is aesthetic. But I would contend that the vast majority of Freemasons do not understand Freemasonry. It is supposed to be a mockery of Judaism and the Old Testament. But that idea is lost on the literalists who constitute the majority of the Craft.

[–]10xdada1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I doubt you are a conservative, but rather someone with anti-politics. Most SJW's are too loopy to get accepted into a lodge.

[–]1atticusfinch19734 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you ever are exposed to the Craft you'll find that some lodges take things very seriously and some follow the tenets loosely and are basically there to hang out and have a good time. My lodge is more leaning towards the good time but there are other ones in my city that you can attend if you want to really get into the rituals.

I brought it forward as an example that there are men's groups that exist and have existed for many years and are all over the place that anyone can become a part of.

In terms of secrecy the main rituals of the Masons are all over the Internet. A quick google search can easily find the exact ritual I was put through to become an apprentice.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

It seems to me that the subgroups of Freemasonry like the Illuminati were responsible for these things as can be read about it in Proof of a Conspiracy. There is a big problem with groups that are too secretive because even more secretive groups can embed themselves within it. We don't need to have secretive groups like this today because the dangers facing us are not all that great compared to crazy shit in the past. Today people are afraid of losing clients and having people think bad of them to the point that it harms their social and economic standing. That is not that big of a deal really.

[–]10xdada0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

economic standing = breeding options for most guys. OKCupid shadow banned guys who gave the wrong survey answers about abortion. We can cold approach, but it's not just gossip.

SJWs are plotting a cull.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

In the past people were torture-murdered for going against the church, king, etc. Oh noes, less pussy!!! Scary.

[–]10xdada0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Torture-murder didn't, and doesn't scale. Reason groups use it is because they don't have the resources to kill en masse in an economical way, so they make gruesome examples instead. We've largely solved that problem today.

The church was brutal, but it has nothing on popular movements. These days, you can wipe out a culture in a generation just with pain killers.

If you truly identify as someone who is a victim of an illuminati, there is nothing anyone else can do for you, as they will never be more powerful than your imagination and victim self-image.

Groups of men, brother bonded, who agree on basic moral principles, based in wisdom that has survived thousands of years, whose very existence serves as a check on the spiritual totality of a single rulers power, and whose mission is to improve the lives of men through moral work - I'd say those are the good guys.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

My main point is that we don't need secret societies with odd rituals at this time because the consequences for being found out are very minor compared to previous eras. The Bolshevik types plot to kill people off and hiding now is counter-productive to stopping them since their main advantage is convincing the majority that they are alienated lowly pieces of shit. We still have free association and not being able to use OKCupid is not a very big deal in a historical perspective. Its just a signal to - not use it. I propose that in any age people have had to forge their own productive associations and that what is prepackaged for everyone is just not good enough.

[–]0xdada 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I'd argue all power is secret. Rituals in masonry are just the thing to do in a consistent way, and they encode the moral allegories in symbols.

Most people's understanding of ritual is superstitious and stops at some kind of magic. When you look at Jordan Peterson's discussion of the bible as a way to represent key philosophical concepts, you can get a sense of what a ritual is for.

It provides continuity and consistency. Weird? Sure, but table manners are weird and serve the same basic function. Job interviews are downright bizarre. Performing an implementation of fizzbuzz in front of a panel is 10x weirder than giving a monologue.

Just as you can tell a lot about someone by how they eat with others, you can tell a lot about someone by how they participate in the group. In most cases, that's all you need to know. Fizzbuzz, however, has never told anyone anything about anyone.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I was with you until you went right off the deep end saying blasphemous things about Fizzbuzz.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy

All the Symbolism of Freemasonry is deliberately in contrivance to God and that of Satanism. The big joke is that people Are such tardos that they don't know enough scripture to understand the symbolism and oaths enough to know that they are Satanic in origin.

So I guess if a person chooses Satanism openly then it's on him. If a person is retarded enough to get suckered into Satanism then it's on him.

I guess to the credit of Free Mason's they are very open about their Satanism just in a Symbolic way. Jack the Ripper was a Free Mason hence the ritualized killings and police cover ups.

[–]chaseemall2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good God, man! You've gone full /pol/!

I wholeheartedly approve.

[–]JustForTRP2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

That guy claimed to be a vampire and claims to have spoke with Hitler, Satan, and Jesus.

Youre really grasping for straws here. Why are you neo reaction safe-ing?

Even if masonry is satanic who gives a shit? Not like any of those deities are real anyways so it dont mean shit.

Anyways bro your guy claimed to be a 90th degree masonic vampire

Edit : religion is stupid anyways. Islam, christian, jews. The red pill religion is also retarded. I thought you were Athiest why are you suddenly a satanist? You always talk about religious people being retards but you still believe in the grand sky wizard.

[–]xxYYZxx1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Even if masonry is satanic who gives a shit?

If it doesn't matter if it's "Satanic", then why does it need to be "Masonry"? How can you argue that one form is "legit", while another is just "made up fiction"? The Freemasons are based on Satanic principles of "Do as thou will", and this isn't really debatable, regardless of what you think of boogie men.

You're basically arguing for "do as thou will" by arguing that one form, "Freemasonry", is "just swell" while another form, "Satanism" is "made up fiction", and with no other basis for this reasoning besides it's what "you will" it to be.

[–]JustForTRP0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

dude who caares if masonry is satanic. it doesnt matter

[–]xxYYZxx1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It matters because Satanism is a lie and tool for enslaving men. This is absolutely regardless of any mythological content related to Satanism (or Christianity), to which I have no analytical regard for.

The bifurcation of the two doctrines of Christianity & Satanism (God vs Devil) is devised to allow the sovereign elites to rule over the enslaved, debt bearing masses. Essentially, every last esoteric concept is converted into a tool of economic rule, for better or worse. In many aspects this is "better", except with the Sunday School lessons get taken a bit too seriously, and the real meaning is never grasped. It's Babylonian magic, and it's what all the Kids are into, as long as they don't realized why.

[–]JustForTRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

bro, there is no god, no satan, so there's nothing

[–]xxYYZxx0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You don't have to tell me, I'm just describing how these terms are used by folks who believe in them. Essentially, concealing the "esoteric" concepts not related to servitude via residing them in "Satanism" and serving up the rest as "God's word" to the otherwise illiterate masses. Today people are largely literate (allegedly), so "Technology" is the new God-figure and media is the contested domain, ie "infowars".

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not religious I just follow the Racial philosophy of my people. I don't need a magic sky wizard for any of that to work.

The Free Mason initiation oaths are Sabbatean Frankist method of contriving the bible in as many ways as possible. Also I don't know why everyone is mad.

[–]1atticusfinch19730 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Satanism in modern times was an invented religion by a guy named Lavey in 1966. The knights templar, which is where a lot of the lore of Freemasons comes from did perform what are deemed satanic rituals but that's because they were going against the Catholic church - hence they were called Satanists.

Being suckered into Satanism isn't even a thing. Being Satanic even in the past basically was a blame game from the Catholic church if they didn't like you.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Freemason Symbolism predates 60's hippie freaks by 300 years and is Satanic.

[–]10xdada2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kind of goes further back than that. It's 300 years since founding of the grand lodge of england, but that was just a consolidation of masonry into a standard entity.

Confraternaties, essentially guilds, formed a social fabric outside of court for centuries. In governing trades, they codified skills and levels of mastery so that people claiming skills could be paid for them accordingly, with some reasonable expectation they had them. Guild membership required both proof of membership, and proof of skills.

The transition from "operative," physical guild masonry to "speculative," masonry is related to lodges becoming social meeting places for men who conducted their business according to rules. We call it civilization today, but agreeing to a set of rules is what allows civilization to scale.

The bible is used because its the only book most people had read, and it was available everywhere. Masonry itself uses biblical allegory because it's practical. I can't speak for the York and Scottish Rite stuff, nor any of the irregular sects that claim to be related, but those are considered separate bodies.

All this satan shit is gay. It does keep out the evangelicals and loons, which is pretty good, but for that you could join KoC or Opus Dei.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm not an expert but I think that it is Luciferian.

[–]harkrank 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Isn't it double invite only?

[–]1atticusfinch19730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, you need two men who sponsor you or to have had a relative as a member. My grandfather was one but I had two sponsors as well.

[–]redpilledjoe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have no desire to have anything to do with religion, are there other groups?

[–]10xdada32 points33 points  (14 children) | Copy

You need relationships. Relationships come from masculine group activities.

  • Sports are masculine group activities.
    • hockey
    • rugby
    • golf
    • soccer
    • boxing
    • back country camping/tripping
    • hunting

I would argue if you are not a member of a fraternal organization, you are not making change.

The single most powerful thing TRP guys could do is join these organizations, because they have private spaces everywhere in the world, they filter out bad actors, have old guys, and provide all the support you could need to become a better man.

If you are too much of a retard to be accepted by regular guys as a man among men, then fucking recognize it and say you have been a bit of a retard and are looking to become better, and joining a group of men who make that their thing looks like the best way to do it.

You think you need to INVENT a brotherhood? Why don't you join one and then decide whether you need to fail at making one from scratch?

The most powerful networks in the world are already there, waiting for young men to have the self awareness of the fact that becoming a better man means petitioning men who are already there for mentorship.

As the saying goes: To Be One, Ask One.

[–]UncleWarwick4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's funny to see you downvoted when you couldn't be more right.

"Well... well since you won't let me play with you, I'm going to build my own fort and build my own friends!"

There's way too many escaped mental patients in here for me to ever consider meeting up with any group related to TRP, aside from a couple of the ECs/vanguards/seniors whose writings resonate with me.

However, I would support ways of strengthening the underlying TRP network since we are at risk of Reddit pulling the plug at any given moment.

[–]chaseemall1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

What about for people out of college? You have any examples for them?

[–]UncleWarwick5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why do you think you can only accomplish this in college, aside from the fraternity - which there are other social/professional clubs that could act in place.

Everything else can be found through intramural groups or meetups or say rock climbing gyms. You do live in a large, populous city that provide all these things, right?

[–]chaseemall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I meant for fraternal organizations. If I recall most of those (outside of say the masons) recruit people in college.

[–]10xdada0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


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[–]10xdada0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So many women in softball leagues, I left it out on purpose. Hardball, sure, but local regs prevent it in a lot of parks.

[–]Cos_7_ate_90 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Second this. Though OP's advice is valuable in that a man still needs to build his own tribe. A sports club is a great place to start but you need to build your friendships beyond the joint activity that binds you. Ideally you want deeper loyalty without having to join the army or a cult.

[–]10xdada2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

In the "courage, strength, honor, mastery" model Jack Donovan uses, you need a shared activity to demonstrate these virtues. I think that activity needs to be physical. Some guy writing something isn't my friend. A guy who has made personal sacrifies to want and achieve the same things I do, there's potential.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The only downside to this is that living in a feminized culture...finding truly maculine men is like finding a goddamn needle in a haystack. And when you do meet these guys, they got their own shit to do, and I mine. Honestly, I think if somebody with the means created a mens only gym...that would be a solid start. But--I doubt anybody would actually join...

[–]10xdada2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There aren't a lot of middle class masculine men because to have those jobs you need to be overtly blue pill or ambiguously gay.

A few cities have what are essentially meet ups for men's fitness, but they aren't very public, but there are a lot of clubs of all sorts that don't own facilities.

Rent a private gym space for a couple of hours that it's empty. 6:30am on a sunday or somewhere that needs the money and traffic. No politics, no dogwhistles, no speakers, no pamphlets. Make it a men's squat or deadlift clinic, main thing is it's guaranteed private to your group. In other sports, it's common to organize a day with a top level trainer who comes and gives a clinic, where people pay to either participate or audit (watch) it.

Throw in a prostate charity connection or health talk. Men's yoga (e.g. google black yoga) would be even easier to pass off because everyone accepts guys don't want to do yoga with women when they are starting.

Even do the first one on fathers day for extra political cover.

Guys will figure it out.

[–]gitcommitsadness0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Best advice I've read here, thanks man.

[–]indeydius25 points26 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's funny that many women believe in a vast underground 'old boys club' that doesn't exist. Then when when they put enough men against the wall, they end up creating it.

[–]dza76wutang17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've been joking about this for a while..."wouldn't it be something if we actually acted like the monolithic hegemon we get painted as".

[–]ThrowFader4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]youkickmyd0g0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They believe it because they have their own in their phones

[–]gELSK-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

// , One might as well be hanged for stealing a sheep as for a lamb.

Their reaction is the same either way.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy

You are onto something here but I think it is sad that this needs to be spelled out. Maybe it is because I am older and these things just came naturally in my years as a teenager and young adult. What exactly are our readers doing with their time? How are they spending it? Aren’t they hanging out with their bros? Do they go out with friends and associates from work, sports and social groups? It is a really serious issue that men need to actually learn these things. To me it is as alien as the idea that you would need to take a lion out and teach it to kill and eat prey.

If you are a guy who has no male friends then you need to remedy this. Perhaps you are an introvert, then you should consider some one on one sports or activities rather than a team based situation. Maybe you are the guy who only has nerdy or beta friends. This can be fixed in a few ways. Firstly you become the alpha of that group. You suggest the activities, you lead the conversation, you dominate the opinions. Lead by example, drag your beta friends along to the gym, approach women in front of them and laugh off any rejection or celebrate the number close with them. They will look up to you either way.

Self improvement is important here. You need to be good at something other than call of duty black ops. Of your boys are just gaming all day, lead! Drag then out with you to do other activities or find new friends if they won’t budge. Every minute you waste being anti social is lowering your status. Fix that shit up and stop being a basement dweller. You need more than just the gym, you need a social circle and other men to talk to. You should be socialising with men at least once a week. If you are not an extrovert you still need at least one guy who has your back.

[–]UncleWarwick11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

To me it is as alien as the idea that you would need to take a lion out and teach it to kill and eat prey.

Yes - and I'm an unfortunate perfect example of this.

Being a man didn't come naturally to me for a variety of reasons (amongst, porn and video games which I will be on my soap box for the rest of my life about). Therefore I never really fit in socially with anyone. The remaining couple of friends I was left with did nothing but get too high and drunk to function in society while caring about nothing aside from fantasy football. So I chose to find new friends.

Still working on it. But getting my ass back into volleyball has been the most fulfilling thing I've done in the past 6 months of my life. I'm playing 2-4 times a week and making new friends.

Being accepted and welcomed into a respectable social circle should be on the check box before worrying about spinning a harem. I think this aspect is grossly overlooked. Something I sorely discounted before recently.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you are doing everything in your power to remedy the mistakes you made earlier. Good on you and best of luck

[–]Psychocist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

To me it is as alien as the idea that you would need to take a lion out and teach it to kill and eat prey.

That's fine. It's impossible to satisfy everybody. What matters is we produce value to help those who seek help, instead of saying "be a lion" or "be yourself" to those people.

[–]Rian_Stone14 points15 points  (11 children) | Copy

The question one needs to answer

whats in it for me?

Anyone who is worth a damn asks this. I've yet to see a compelling reason, other than to get paid.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy

I was looking for this one.

There should be a potential monetary incentive in some of these situations. The real trick is how to do it without making it slimy.

Every system will get gamed quickly. Most of us are not stupid men. The next best solution then is to completely keep monetization out of it. Now your back to the motivation problem.

I donate my time and discussion here because I get knowledge, ideas and some entertainment in return.

[–]Kingoffistycuffs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

To me what's to be gained is what most people would call Virtues. Loyalty, honesty, comrades etc. many people say that AFC's will betray you for poon. Very likely tbf but what if the young men never develop that thirst to begin with? Can't be tempted by things you don't want. It's a big investment to be sure with little payout.

It's similar to tech, early adopters get the shaft so to speak but if you invest and the product and marketing is good then that chance is much smaller. Who do we have here on trp? Marketers, bankers, construction people, techies, teachers, doctors, personal trainers, I'm sure there's even a few psychologists waltzing around here.

To raise a generation of men to get back to values and virtue is how we win. To show men that you don't have to be thirsty, scared and anxious. You can talk life wrestle it to the ground kick its ribs in and take its wallet.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Going back to rian’s statement, it’s simple supply and demand. Plenty of people want to get what you’re asking for, very few are actually worth giving what you ask for. Even friendships have a transactional nature to them.

Naive idealism. I don’t say that harshly.

[–]Psychocist0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

There are plenty of non-monetisation strategies for maintaining engagement and contribution. One of the obvious ones is recognition and validation through a voting system. Many here contribute simply for votes. I've done it in the past -- and rep doesn't really have any effect on my life whatsoever. Knowing I'm on the right track does, and that is usually indicated by how well received my contributions are.

Putting the greater contributions at the forefront is a good way to encourage users to produce great content.

Gamification is also a useful way -- think badges, tags, etc, - again, all about validation, decoration, etc. Whether you agree with these motivators doesn't matter, they have been proven time and again to be very effective. Giving committed, quality contributors more power over the community is another way, instead of limiting it to a few mods.

But if the platform is private, then it has to find a way to sustain itself, and it has to be able to at least cover the costs of running the platform. Money has to be coming in from somewhere.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Meh, it’s about building tribes in meatspace. Do you want someone to hang with only because that person wants a badge/status on a mostly anonymous website? The person that is motivated by that badge wouldn’t likely be a person worth knowing. Priorities are all fucked there.

The person worth knowing has plenty of shit going on and is paying an opportunity cost to share their time/wisdom/value.

[–]Psychocist0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Meh? We weren't talking about meatspaces, not sure why you diverted to that.

Every system will get gamed quickly. Most of us are not stupid men. The next best solution then is to completely keep monetization out of it. Now your back to the motivation problem.

We were talking about engagement, specifically user engagement in these systems (the motivation problem as you said). Plenty of people provide genuinely helpful contributions with secondary motives to build reputation and recognition. They are not mutually exclusive.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

We agree, gamification can be highly effective for online systems. I either didn’t express my true point clearly or we’re on a bad tangent.

This sticky is an extension of the other sticky, building tribes. An online tribe is a shallow substitute for meatspace. Granted, an online tribe is better than no tribe. Ideally, you’ll leverage the online tribe to convert it to a meatspace tribe. That’s what I’m getting at here. My mind is thinking of a meatspace networking system as the true end goal here.

[–]Psychocist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I understand what you're saying, but I would say an online tribe can be an extension of or a precursor to a meatspace tribe. It would be a shame to throw away the great connectivity potential of technologically enhanced tribes.

I respect the end goal of your thinking, but I don't think we're going back to stone-age networking any time soon. Hyper connectivity is here to stay, and those who make use of it will prevail over those who don't.

[–]ThrowFader0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]JustForTRP-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

People are taking the red pill way to god damn seriously.

It aint a social movement, not a cultural revolution. Its a place to swap notes about why and how to get laid.

Talk about upstream twitter?

More like #upstream red pill...

People take this way too seriously

[–]Rian_Stone1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's opportunities, like anything.

Fucking upstream. I'm all for monitizing men. I am not a fan of selling snake oil though

[–]ImNotTheRealOP9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

People like Tomassi and yourself know how to write and format, but not everyone does. Reading a badly written text lowers the credibility of the writer, and always invites keyboardheroes in the comments. As such, offering a proofreading/editting option for big text posts could be beneficial, as people with mediocre writing skills can definitly contribute (content-wise) high quality content

[–]Satou48 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I will focus on things that I think any newbie needs to prioritize.

- Discipline / Accountability, Leadership teams

Is it even possible to hold each other accountable for scheduling time and using that time to work on goals? If it is, it could help the less-disciplined tremendously.

- Fitness / sports teams

Meetup type groups, with anonymous online membership, who meet in a local area to do sports or gym. The benefits of this over a random fitness or sports team is that the members will know beforehand that everyone at the meetup is at least aware of TRP concepts. Consider it a safe-space (ugh) for openly discussing TRP in person, in addition to the fitness and brotherhood benefits. A team where you don't have to worry about whether Bob is still blue-pilled.

- Public speaking teams

Groups who get together in person or via videocall, to practice vocal projection, speaking in front of an audience, charisma, storytelling and the like. People can give criticisms and help each other improve their presence. Could double as a "Million-Dollar Mouthpiece" group, where a random member is chosen on the spot to give an unfiltered 10 minute ramble about anything, to improve the ability to speak endlessly and keep control.

Edit: and something maybe not as important:

- Book club

Read the book of the week/month and discuss it with the other members. Could double as a debate team.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy

When the boys of asktrp ask how do I get girls what they are really asking is how do I become a man. A man who has lost sight of his ethnic tradition which is to say his blood, is doomed to wander the world a BugMan seeking identity via consumerism. Thus in order to unfuck our boys we need to teach them the European traditions culture and philosophy of their ancestors. Also Indian Culture cuz let's be honest we got a lot of Indians here too.

We can use the TRP.Red platform as a launching point for an online university with our essentialist values. Next we'll find some Eastern Europeans who speak good English to teach the European Classics forsaken by the Western Poz University System.

Marcus Aurelius, Shakespeare, Julia's Evola, Schopenhauer.

The goal is to cultivate a generation of intellectuals to take over western institutions kind of a reverse Frankfurt School.

[–]JustForTRP1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Youre gonna have to teach blacks how to be black, latinos how to latino, chineese how to chineese...

Or are you just planning to make everyone an "essentialist" which would still solve nothing and still have guys asking how do i get laid?

Might as well just start a univeristy to teach guys how to get laid thru evolutionary psychology and leave the bull shit culture and ethnic cleansing out of it, cus thats what youre really saying, you want to have an ethnic cleansing with you as the commander of the red pill army and extermination squads. I dont understand how you take the red pill so seriously. The premise is about getting laid. People dont care about their ethinic origin nor should it matter. Many peoples ethnic origins will have them believing in soul mates - blue pill. A deteiment.

How would youre life change in anyway if a DNA test revealed you to be 50% Korean?

Teaching guys their ethnicity and culture does nothing. Just stick to teaching them how to get laid and keep your psychadelic induced college ramblings out of it.

Plenty of black people dont know shit bout their ancestors, respond "ims african american" when asked sbout their ethnic origin, and STILL get pussy.

When guys ask how to get laid they dont give a fuck about hunting for lions or calculating shit or reading shakespere. they just want to know how to get pussy

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

The majority of Red Pill is of European Ancestry. Latinos are predominantly European especially the ones on Reddit.

If you think African Americans arnt suffering deeply because of their amputated culture I don't know what to tell you.

Next if you think western philosophy is bullshit you are a retarded prole. Dull uncurious men are absolutely useless to me.

I never said anything about ethnic cleansing that's just some POZ you pulled out of a tranny's asshole.

[–]JustForTRP1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Teaching guys about Locke, Aligieri, Hobbes, Leonardo, nitzsche and descartes, will educate men but ultimately not solve their lack of pussy. Atleast euros will know who they are and stop white guilting themselves. You mentioned your racial philosophy, well white western philosophy seems to be imposing their will on others and act like its a favor to them - see the spreading of x-tianity by conquestadores.

Might as well teach guys about the outlaws of the wild west as well. Education doesnt get guys laid.

Knowing the wisdom of their cultural philosophers will not get them laid.

And FYI, eastern philosophy , particularly that of Taoism and Buddhism, is clearly superior

Edit : and im not even asian

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Education gives men a string internal identity which is the key thing lacking with these men. I would know because I've skyped like 800 at this point. I'd rather they get their identity from their ancestors then a PUA Self Help Soy Cuck.

If you believe whiteness is inherently oppressive then your an SJW.

[–]ThickDickWarrior890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I still read cynical implementation today. Greatest post.

[–]JustForTRP-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Whites oppress themselves help them realize that

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Education doesnt get guys laid.

The current systems of feminized education don't.

But I suspect that the kind of physical and mental education provided to males in an alternative accreditation system would lead to those males having greater success, sexually, than those who were not.

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

// , This would fall well in line with the proposal for a changed education system.

[–]3LiveAFTSOV6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

A new school accreditation system outside of our current system that competes with the currently feminized system

Classrooms that teach red-pilled evolutionary psychology - a direct counter to feminized blue pill gender studies, and devoid of the motivational PUA / RSD undertones. Just straight up facts for those who want to learn/have their paradigm shifted.

Red Pill life coaching that calls out guys on their own bullshit but is actually helpful, not limited to "you're a faggot."

animated red pill cartoons for youtube. Reach and educate a wider audience. something like A "FightMediocrity" or "Illacertus" but strictly for red pill topics / stories / theories. I'm working on how to get laid like a warlord part 2 now, and i will release once submissions are re opened

[–]redmanhuxley6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

It could be structured similar to a fraternity. Once the first few chapters are established, anyone in their own area could start one. A really good basic charter would have to be established that would outline the most important things each chapter must do. Then everything can be grown from there. The most difficult aspect would be how to establish culpability among the initiates so you know that they are serious when they first join. I think a lot of things would have to be established in writing.

Truth is, if you join a local group you would have to accept a certain level of risk. I think there should be some sort of initiation.

[–]ThrowFader1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]TorpedoStudyGroup7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Existing examples: YMCA

TRP - A global Network of like minded men. If men are naturals at something, then it is male to male cooperation.

Modus Operandi: You dont talk about it.

A local example from real life for a hidden society:

Leftist activists (Stalinists, Anarcho-Syndicalists, Socialists, etc) in Hamburg, Germany built recently a successfull activist network of 250-350 people by using Trello as Kanban board and a combination of Whatsapp and Surespot groups for communication. Via Trello they offer tutorials&advice&moderation while members propose projects. Once a project has seven supporters it gets launched. The messaging apps are for coordination. One of the nice features is to provide different levels of access and the option to ban people.

My suggestion to solve the problem of: How to organize effectively

is to emulate them with open source Kanban boards. No need to risk to get shut down by a company or having it forced to provide access to law enforcement etc. An anonymous geographic feature to know if where are people in the vicinity on a global level.


A Linked.in/Xing but anonymous environment

Finding help and giving help

Doing stuff together

[–]PowerVitamin5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

How do I use this to network without being doxxed?

[–]2CasaDeFranco-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

You don't. Network within existing social networks and apply these values. Then connect and surround yourself with mentors from a higher status.

[–]Ta11no2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I second the idea of an anti feminism fund. One of the functions can be assisting those who have been devorce-raped or donating to research of some form of male birth control. Maybe this could be handled from TRP.RED

[–]2Dmva1002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The bullshit, outdated statistics from the old 1995 FBI study on false rape accusations (2-8%) needs to be competely revisited due to the increased digital age we currently live in (including Tinder, etc), the inflated feminist statistics, and general anti-masculine/women-victimhood that were not present dueing the era of the original study.

I have a post called 'Sexual Assault Statistics Twisted by the Feminine Imperative' that highlights this issue.

The effort needs to be put forth by people who actually give a shit about it due to their own lives being ruined by it, or others close to them. Obtaining quality data from conducting our OWN survey to put false accusations on the map in a way that can't be ignored is one of the few ways the whole metoo bullshit can be crippled or at least questioned by the general public. Even if tactics similar to the post I attached above are utilized to marginally inflate results, the ethics of doing so are nowhere near the asinine sentiments the FI uses with 'believe all women' etc. You want results? You have to shit on morality a bit, because that's exactly what the FI/media does.

Nobody else is going to do it for us, so thats a big opportunity to keep the innocent out of jail by taking back the automatic gavel AKA the court of public opinion. Databasing results and releasing it to the media would obviously have to be credited to an entity that the general public wouldn't know was connected to TRP.

[–]priestfrommiddleeast4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Blockchain-based technology for the red pill network to archive our ledger of debate, keep us private, and maintain the highest of security!

Also, broaden the Tribes feature to include location-based interest. This will be extremely helpful for us to meet!

[–]aasman14 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

What would make these men trust each other?

Why would men want to join these things?

[–]TheSx5053 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

the master's apprentice sounds just fkjfh fine for me, im totally into it. Being mentored for the motivation i have could give me a much solid direction sometimes i don't perceive

[–]-Guts3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

A network of men who are successful in their careers, separated by the field in which they operate, and who would be willing to assist other men in different situations.


For example. A section of the 'Network' dedicated to redpill men who are lawyers in NYC and would be willing to help out other redpill men. Of course, their real names would be hidden until it can be proved that the user soliciting legal assistance was actually in trouble.


Same thing with technology professionals, doctors, etc.. There are probably quite a few kinks and flaws in that idea, but there it is.

[–]iknowthewhey2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

A new school accreditation system outside of our current system that competes with the currently feminized system

This is the only way I could ever see myself raising kids in the future. I have no desire for a family anymore. I refuse to bring kids into this world and put them into a bullshit feminist system to be lied to and mislead their entire lives.

In my eyes, it isn't worth it to have a family anymore. Marriage is dead, and there is no respect for fathers in society. Kids can't be raised correctly within this Prussian education system we have implemented which only breeds complacency. Does no one think to question why kids should be sat down in a room for 8 hours a day and be told to shut up and listen? Individual thinking is dead; our parents were brain dead and put us into the same system and sold us the same lies about life. All the while killing our natural instincts and tendencies.

There are no benefits for having a family anymore and substantial risks and hoops to jump through to have one. The school system is no better than slavery and is specifically designed to fuck you for life. The biggest risk is for those of above average intelligence who are forced to keep their mouths shut or be ostracized.

[–]NorthEasternNomad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Know that you aren't alone.

After seeing divorce and separation from an early age, and the manner in which children became commodities to be bartered over for fiscal gain, I determined early on that I would never participate in such a system.

I am also a big fan of psychologist Peter Gray, who argues that the only difference between school and prison, is that, while inside, prisoners have rights, while students don't. I still remember the expectation to ask permission to "please be excused" to use the restroom...at 16 years old. Nope, sorry; by 11 or so, if I needed to go I just WENT.

Modern society is crowded enough as it is. Post industrial nation's don't need more children. And I don't need the burdens and risks of having them.

[–]tam8a_tomato0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it isn't worth it to have a family anymore

I keep thinking back to that movie called Idiocracy when I hear that from men who have been revealed this path to a more sustainable and controlling life.

Now it's not that I don't agree with you, and I haven't personally experienced having a family before so I can't speak from wisdom, but these blue pill examples are the exact reasons why we are still involved with trp. Imagine a scenario where you had a child, s/he went to a regular school, then s/he went to after school care which s/he could learn about the real world at a intellectual/enjoyment level that engages him/her for his/her current age. It's almost like how we always hear people say "I wish I knew about trp when I was 18" but better because it's at a time when they think cooties are a bigger threat.

Dad's who have taken trp should be the only Dad's around as they are the only chance to teaching kids at a young age. I don't want to speak of what kind of female figure should be involved in a child's life, but I'd love to read something covering that.

[–]UncleWarwick3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love the fact that you shut down posting for this week. I actually came back and visited more than my "once-a-week let's check the top posts."

Once you get to the point of "okay, I've read enough, I know what I need to do, now I just need to do it", the main page is generally pointless drivel posted by those who feel that they have a great insight when deep down under they really just want those scarce e-points.

[–]justshootinblanks2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I could do with more local Brothers in my life. Bring it on.

[–]newls1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I would be open to contributing to a legal fund. Set it up and I'll gladly chuck some money into the pot to help my bros.

[–]Zeparic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You guys already pretty much started it with the trp.red groups, but when you first announced that you were going to launch an app for men to communicate, one of the ideas that came to my head was to use this as a tool for accountability.

There are lot of guys here that would benefit from 1on1 communication with others in the same boat, but in order for progress to be made the conversations involved must not revolve around further Rp exchange. That's what this forum is for.

Instead have a place where these guys can pair up into groups of say two or three and, without divulging personal information, have each of them hold one another accountable for accomplishing goals that they place on themselves. Give them a metric by which to qualify each other's progress and when one starts to falter in their tasks have them removed from the group as punishment.

I've thought about it in some detail and I'm not sure it would work, but realistically you won't have enough mentors for one on one. Men forge bonds when they struggle together and a desire to compete is the best thing to cultivate a successful lifestyle.

[–]rigbed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’m working on something similar

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like the idea of sarging meetups. Competitive/cooperative group sport

[–]Cos_7_ate_91 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think that any man is able to build his own network and that this place is best left to giving advice to individuals. Trying to cross the lines of anonymity and situation to build friendship is difficult and shaky in its foundation. Valuable men will find valuable men, once people get there their need for stuff like this is already fulfilled so this place should just focus on showing people how to get there.

Saying that I'm interested in how this turns out and I'm happy to find out if I'm wrong.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Trying to cross the lines of anonymity and situation to build friendship is difficult and shaky in its foundation

I'm not suggesting anybody get into something they're not comfortable with.

I am suggesting that people start their own real-life tribes, and we're providing tools that can help. But by no means does any part of your personal tribe need to be online.

[–]Self-honest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the tools, concepts, and definitions. Most goals are never achieved because they are never clearly defined.

A tribe is only as strong as its weakest link, so it's important to build wisely.

[–]Cos_7_ate_90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Then I probably misunderstood you because I agree with exactly what you just said.

[–]reddishworm1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Local meetups are unfeasible due to some members [me] not living in the anglosphere.

I would pay a monthly fee via bitcoin to gain access to a preferably encrypted protal that offers

  • A regular [monthly/quarterly] situation assessment

    Mentors set realistic and reasonable goals depending on my current situation. Mentors have multiple acolytes. An acolyte has only one mentor for the purpose of keeping track of progress.

    Book and homework assignments.

  • AskTRP-like Q&A database

    Those still in transition [me] still think in terms of individualized situations (and they are to some extent) but I believe they can be specifically categorized. The database should allow me to query my questions [unlimited queries] and should I not be able to find an answer, query a new specific question [limited number of words/query and queries/month].

    This would be organized like a ticket system. The mentor will answer the question and it will be added to the database for the benefit of all members. The library grows and mentors will not have to regurgitate the same answers.

    Mentors will be awarded bitcoins for services rendered. Excess bitcoins (due to lack of tickets) will flow into divorce-rape fund and other projects.

    Admins of darknet markets have run off with the funds in the past. How can sufficient trust be built?

  • Forum for networking

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I like some of these ideas. They are similar to something we've considered in the past.

I will respond to this more tomorrow.

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[–]Self-honest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

First step, start moving and keep moving forward. Be open about learning. The answers are here in the sidebar and top posts. There's not a question I have ever wanted an answer for that hasn't already been covered in detail here.

Use the search function. Devour the top posts of all time and all of the comments. Notice when others are wrong and how they are corrected by endorsed contributors and other TRP sages. Internalize the knowledge and gain your own perspective.

And lift like your life depends on it. Because it does.

[–]NorthEasternNomad0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What about frank, honest education. Truth about social worth, how it's evaluated and how to increase it?

From early adolescence, I somehow came to understand that Social Hierarchy, Status and Value are very real.

I developed a knack for assessment of my own approximate value, how it compared to Plates I'd try to spin and how I could use that understanding to select friends and partners that were likely to spend time with me based on their own evaluation of my worth.

Matching my real worth in as objective a manner as possible to my worth as perceived by others was a key talent for selecting smart matches and succeeding in building relationships and obtaining partners of all sorts. This ability also helped me assess shortcomings and know where I could improve in order to increase my perceived social worth.

Some claim that I see sex, live and relationships as transactional. I agree. I understand that working out, reading, improving manners, dressing well and socializing are all deposits into my own bank of social worth. And that compliments, attention, excellent sex, conversation and the providing of safety and stability can be deposits into another bank of trust, increasing my perceived value thereby.

Humans do what benefits them. If you want that to be you - socially, sexually, professionally - then you need to make you a benefit to those with whom you wish to spend time. This frank understanding is something I think more young men deserve and need to hear from an early age.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not directly related to building tribes but I was recently thinking about what our version of steroids daily chat thread is. They are one of the few subs that managed to build a tight community and that thread is partly responsible.

I think we would benefit from a place to talk about random life shit and post FRs just for laughs instead of learning. That might also give people eager to post but not in a position to make a valuable contribution a place to get it out of their system without lowering post quality.

A daily thread might not be the best option as there is more risk of sharing too much info so probably best kept off reddit. That said having everything in one place is more convenient.

[–]ThrowFader0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]CcyCV 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy

Are ideas from a RPW allowed?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

Ideas are based on merit, not tits. Cough it up and keep the tits part to yourself.

[–]CcyCV 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

Ok, point taken

I suggest having a double strategy. The ideas mentioned in the OP I would equate with negative reinforcement, so I’d add some positive reinforcement to strengthen the point. Namely:

-Blogs/YouTube channels talking about gendered interesting stuff, reinforcing gender roles and traditional values (video games and fitness for men, diy and makeup for women, for example) -Fan pages featuring gender role memes, starting with a “mock everything” humor to build following and later turning into a “mock feminism” theme once a big number of fans is acquired.

Just an idea

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting tactics. Carrot/stick are most useful mixed together judiciously.

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

negative reinforcement, so I’d add some positive reinforcement

These words, I don't think they mean what you think they mean. What you likely refer to when you say "negative reinforcement" is mere punishment, and what you refer to as positive reinforcement is likely what the rest of us would call operant conditioning.

But yes, you are talking sense, here. Operant conditioning, that is, rewarding or punishing the target behaviors as they occur naturally (e.g. when a seal happens to touch its snout to the ball, give him a fish) works more quickly than methods which require forcing the animal into a behavior.

But most of the experiments that proved the efficacy of this training occurred with trainable targets in an environment that the trainer controls. Does it matter whether we end up convincing any women? Does the word "convinced" even really apply to the sort of women to which any kind of public media would attract? Women do not view facts/reality the same way as men do. And does it really matter? Soy-boys the BP men are most of what props up feminism, these days. If left to women lead by lesbians alone, it'd likely fall apart.

Plus, there are already massively advertised rewards to women from all sides, even "trad-cons" and TRP.

[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy


[–]gELSK2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

// , Remember to remain "sexless" while posting

It's one of the rules for the forum, and for good reason.

Why not just state your ideas in a comment, and leave your genitals out of it?

You don't get any extra credibility on here for having a vagina, and usually women who are quick to state that they have one are doing it for that reason.

[–]ThrowFader-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]madking696969-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

maybe there can be some structure to the group. low to mid to high tier.

higher ones can guide the lowers.

everyone participating in projects for a period of time wil increase the trust we have foe each other.

[–]swarlytheskigod 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

redpillschool has officially ruined trp. trp was so much better when people were sharing their stories, ideas, and theories. it was entertaining to read, and now it feels like i’m reading a fucking textbook. bring back normal posting, or this subreddit is down the drain.

[–]chaseemall3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're here to learn, not to be entertained.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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