Why We Fight

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This post will take an American perspective as I am American, and an infantry grunts take as I am an infantryman, however, will ultimately answer the question universally.

There was a comment on my post yesterday, one that has now since been deleted, but it posed an interesting question that I feel deserves some attention

Is there anything more blue pill than joining the military?

What a ridiculous notion? How dare someone denigrate something that I hold dear to my heart! I quickly recognized that I was thinking like a feminist, so after a quick session of deadlifts and weighted pull-ups, I returned to the question to think more rationally about it.

By the time I had returned, there was already a full scale debate going on based on that one question which promped /u/nicechallenge to say what we were all thinking at the time. Thanks for the input, bro. I have since given you an upvote to counter the haters.

You are risking your life for patriotism(a ridiculous idea form political elites to manipulate people) to get a paycheck. It's literally dying for someone else in this case the government, is that alpha to you or maybe the most extreme example of a brainwashed beta?

Well is it patriotism? At its face yes, we were sent overseas to Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11 and later Iraq to capture those WMDs. 9/11 captured the nationalist in us in a way that hadn’t been seen since WWII. I would wager this happened because being so isolated, literally a world away from 2 world wars and many extended conflicts, Americans have never had to deal with unadulterated evil in the same way that other nations have. Historically speaking, there has only been 3 wars -the most recent being the American Civil War ending over 150 years– on American soil. Further, since then we have only been attacked a grand total of 2 times, Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

What does that mean? The first wave joined due to patriotism, and were sent to protect Uncle Sam and all of his citizens from the inherent evil that found a way to reach out and touch us from a third world nation. Is that blue pill? I would say in that sense it isn’t. It isn’t because they joined knowing that the fight was coming and they would be a part of it. They joined because their way of life was threatened. They joined to protect their women and children from the evil that threatened us. But, once we got there we realized that there were no WMDs, and that the Taliban put literally every resource they had at the time into attacking the USA. Yet the war raged on, and the nationalism subsided. So now the reason for fighting has changed as well.

"I did it to protect the freedom of the United States and for my Brothers in arms."

Wish I had a nickel for every time I heard this one. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan raged for nearly 15 years, we live in a world of the 24hr news cycle, we figured out that there were no WMDs after about 4. These guys knew what they were signing up for. They knew that men were dying in a far off land, for a reason they didn’t fully understand, for people they don’t care about, they signed up anyway. Why?

As any serviceman who has been interviewed on the news will tell you, they fought for the man next to them. I did as well, I was the leader of a platoon of 47 men and it was my duty to bring them all home alive. While that is what I fought for, it’s not why I joined.

If you think rationally about that statement, it’s thoroughly ridiculous. Everyone is fighting for each other? I can tell you that some of my soldiers hated each other. Many of them hated the Army in general. And still, how could you sign up for your brothers? You can’t, that’s crazy. Your average private won’t get to his first unit for nearly a year after arriving on the bus to the Ft. Benning School for wayward boys (boot camp).

Now we come to the biggest factor I’ve seen.

"I joined for the money."

And why wouldn’t you? They’re basically giving away goodies worth over half a million dollars just for signing the dotted line. If there was anything “blue pill” about joining the military, it would be those that could only see the dollar signs. Luckily, these are the bottom feeders and would never find their way into a platoon of infantry grunts like mine.

I won’t lie to you. Outside of the combat arms –Infantry, armor, artillery, aviation- the quality of soldier you will find is low, very low. I can tell you that there are women who join the military and get pregnant with 4 consecutive kids, get paid, and never work a day. I can tell you there are criminals and gang members. I know for a fact there are a disturbing number of child molesters (I had a friend who worked at Leavenworth). No organization is safe from blue pilled bottom feeders.

But they are not why I’m writing this article. I wish to represent the 20% of men that step forward for the combat arms, and the 20% of them that volunteered for infantry. There is a unique trait that binds them together.

So why did they join? I know the answer, and most likely, this is the only forum that will understand what I’m about to say

I wanted to go to war.

There I said it. I wanted to go to the fight. I wanted to close with and destroy the enemy. To quote George S. Patton “All my life I’ve wanted to lead a lot of men in a desperate battle. Now I’m going to do it."

The reason I joined is the same reason a militant from ISIS joined, the same reason Germans joined, the same reason knights did it, Romans, Greeks, any warrior really. As men, part of our nature is the warrior. To deny this would be ignorance of the highest degree.

The issue at work is that our feminized and blue pilled society cannot accept that fact. Belief in the cause is just a front that we put on so that lesser people can rationalize that what we were doing there is moral and just. They cannot accept that normal people have it in them to fight and kill. They cannot accept that PTSD is brought on by being ripped from war and their brothers and expected to be civilized again more than weakness or shame or regret. I hate it almost as much as people who say “Thank you for your service”. Bitch, I didn’t do it for you and you probably don’t deserve it anyway.

I don’t give a shit about what the cause was, I still don’t. I really don’t give a fuck about nation building or democracy in Iraq or Afghanistan. All I knew is that I wanted to lead young men into combat and walk out victorious the other side.

If that is not red pill, I don’t know what is.

But back to the initial statement

You are risking your life for patriotism(a ridiculous idea form political elites to manipulate people) to get a paycheck. It's literally dying for someone else in this case the government, is that alpha to you or maybe the most extreme example of a brainwashed beta?

I hate to say this, but I agree with you. For every great young man that I went to war with, there were 5 just like him that weren’t worth the ground they walked on. I wouldn’t say they are brainwashed, they are merely leeches on the system.

Conclusion

The military is a mostly blue pilled organization. You can see that fact since 3 women (who went to West Point, what a fucking surprise) were able to mysteriously pass Ranger School. Women are now open to all combat MOS. They still don’t need to register for the draft. So while the net effect of this post is essentially zero, I wished to take the time aside to describe to you the mindset of the select few worthy of your respect.


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Title Why We Fight
Author The_Titleist
Upvotes 88
Comments 76
Date 04 February 2016 04:19 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]LeFlamel27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy

"You say a good cause justifies any war; but I say a good war justifies any cause." - Nietzsche

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice. The notion of "might is right."

[–]LelSupSon33 points34 points  (6 children) | Copy

I hear all the time how guns are bad. So it is bad that I want to be able to protect my family, but guns are great if you use them to kill someone because of someone else profit.

I am patriotic but I will definitly not go to kill some people just because media told me they are bad.

My first priority is to keep my family and my self safe.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

And there is no reason for you to feel any other way. Protecting your family is more important than any sense of nationalism.

[–]clitbeastwood6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

what is nationalism anyway, really? The notion of nationalism just seems like emotional manipulation. The most nationalistic thing you can do for your country is pay taxes.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nationalism is pretty much just culturalism with some propaganda attached. The root of it isn't about your nation, but your way of life and the urge to protect it when threatened.

[–]twatbutter0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Except it isn't threatened in the way that most people are led to believe, that is, as a matter of scale. This is why nationalism often appeals to the stupidity of the masses who make quick generalizations, and, like marketing, appeals to the biases of said stupid individuals.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

True, that's where the propaganda comes in. They use your basic instinct to protect your way of life to their advantage. Appeal to it then drive it in the direction they desire.

[–]nicechallenge2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think violence it's neccesary for any society to function properly. For example the government needs to enforce laws through violence otherwise laws would only be words. This type of violence is a requirement but there's another kind of violence which comes from a place of evil because as a politician you are sending thousands of people to die for your own selfish reasons. This is inherently evil IMO because no one should force you to do what they want. If we want to stop wars is as simple as saying no to big daddy government, so no one is recruited then who is going to fight wars? I believe we need to ensure the respect of our property, our family and our free will until the non-agression principle allow us, breaking this principle is violence non-justified through rational means so IMO is evil.

[–]arcaneadam8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I went into the Army for two reasons and two reasons only: I wanted to get paid to jump out of planes and fuck shit up. Mission Accomplished. (Queen of Fucking Battle!)

Is the military BP. Uh, yeah. Are some the guys I served with BP. Yep. Does that make everyone in there BP? Nope.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (12 children) | Copy

I joined because I wanted to know if I had what it took. If when shit hit the fan would I do my job or would I hide. That and I am a nationalist and believe that America has set the bar for opportunity.

My anecdote aside, the military is like every other thing on this planet, it can be both BP or RP depending on the man.

I could be a masculine mother fucker who knits. If I'm at 5%bf, spinning a few girls, and run a knitting business, who the fuck are you or anyone to judge? I am owning my life and following my passion.

the same goes for the military. I served with some masculine dudes who I still talk to after years of being separated. I also worked with some faggots who were weaksauce fucks.

The military isn't special in this regard. there are masculine and unmasculine dudes everywhere. As long as you own your shit then I don't have any issue.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am a big fan of your work. Thanks for the imput.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was very well presented. Often times guys pigeonhole themselves to their opinion and refuse to ever even glance at the other side of the coin.

Well done.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You saved me a post, excellent response. It seems op knows of your work so I'll be checking your history in interest. Thanks for clarifying that.

[–]el_superbeastooo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

the same goes for the military. I served with some masculine dudes who I still talk to after years of being separated.

Fucking this right here.

I've been out of service for about eight years, I don't even live on the same continent as most of them, and don't really catch up on a regular basis. Nevertheless when we see each other we share a deep connection and I KNOW that we've got each others' backs. It's an indescribable and unique bond.

[–]redolas1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

You are men. You were conned into this. You made the best of it. That doesn't mean the system is good.

Heck, prison produces some of the most masculine men out there. And the same camaraderie. That doesn't mean you should join a prison.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

The system is neither good nor bad, it is what we make of it.

[–]twatbutter4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Mmmm no, it is pretty singularly bad, and a great way to manipulate stupid men into fighting wars to support the corporate elite's claim to power. It's hilarious, really, when you think about it. One man is risking his life for the delusional notion that he's protecting his family when he is, more often than not, serving another man's corporate interests.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

We all serve corporate interests in some way, that's how you make money. If you get paid by a company, be it a megacorp or a startup, they are paying you because your work supports their interests. If I make 200k as a software engineer, it's likely the company is making millions off of the software I produce.

Joining the military is getting paid to serve corporate interests, but so is everything else. If you don't have great educational prospects, then it's really not that bad off a deal. You can serve corporate interests by working at Chipotle for 8 dollars an hour, or you can serve corporate interests by joining the military, getting your education, and pursuing more specialized training.

I would also never join the military, but this argument that redditors use of "your just serving corporate interests" is kinda silly. Everyone is serving corporate interests if they want to have food on their plate.

[–]twatbutter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We all serve corporate interests in some way, that's how you make money. If you get paid by a company, be it a megacorp or a startup, they are paying you because your work supports their interests. If I make 200k as a software engineer, it's likely the company is making millions off of the software I produce. Also note that what you're saying is remiss of the fact that we can all choose the way we serve in a capitalist society.

Sure we do, but what you're saying is very misleading. In order to live in a capitalist society we must serve capitalists interest on a personal level, but this is usually done in a manner that is "ethical," as in, we all know to what extent our work affects capitalist interests.

When someone joins the military, they usually do so under the pretense that they are serving their nation in some way. This is an important distinction because your government inculcates the idea that you're fighting for the preservation of freedom, when, in fact, soldiers are beguiled into fighting wars for the corporate elite (that is , from nationalist interests to immediate corporate ones). A major difference in my serving a fortune 500/startup and a soldier who is boots on the ground is also the extent to which you are affecting foreign lives. Regardless of the horseshit that the media feeds the mass public about its presence abroad, soldiers are, directly or indirectly, killing innocents for oil interests.

I would also never join the military, but this argument that redditors use of "your just serving corporate interests" is kinda silly. Everyone is serving corporate interests if they want to have food on their plate.

I strongly disagree-- this is one of those few points that I think the SJW side of reddit has right. The argument that you're making right now, that we're all corporate pawns, is reductive and silly. As an analogy, what you're saying is that both a bullet wound and a paper cut are injuries. Factually you're right, but this is far from being an accurate descriptor.

[–]peterson20044 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Joining the military isn't much different than joining any other organization (police, fraternities, gangs, freemasons, mafia, etc). The veneer they posses may be different (according to societal perspective), but they function the same.

They are "chartered" organizations which deliver power/status in place of decision making. You follow orders and rise the ranks. The higher you rise, the more you can influence the organizations goals. Without knowing a persons motives for joining, I can't lay blame for their choices.

[–]Mgtowredpillonroids3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can understand what you're saying, although I've never served and for the longest time wanted nothing to do with the military or any kind of martial organisation. In man there's a will for destruction, the will to kill, maim and torture. We do not care for the reason why, there are no morals behind it, there's no absolute truth behind it. It simply is. It's in our nature. As I said, I couldn't be further away from any military background, my parents are academics, my friends are pacifists ... and yet, I understand. Jack Donovan explained this quite beautifully in his book "The way of men" ... there's something driving men towards war, to prove themselves via the way of killing, but also leading other men. He quoted some guy who realized that nature of man and who basically suggested simulating "going to war" in a more playful manner. Don't quite remember what exactly he suggested though. Team sports, mma fighting, boxing, even video games ... all that is kind of a substitute for that primal urge.

[–]NeoreactionSafe4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

There is pleasure in destruction.

We do it here when we Kill the Beta when we reveal that the programming he believed was true was actually a myth.

I agree... enjoy to destroy.

But we can do it on the mental / spiritual / conceptual plane rather than the material one. Material destruction is just taking "order" and decomposing it to a less ordered state and you win... you blew something up.

When we destroy the Blue Pill mythology we are bending reality to our Game.

The more we destroy the better... so you never run out of things to do.

 

[–]RedSugarPill0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Have to ask, can you point me to some reading materials on this topic?

[–]NeoreactionSafe2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Which part?

Have you read the sidebar material?

The Misandry Bubble

The Manipulated Man

...great places to start.

The Manipulated Man is in some ways the best first read because you get a deep understanding of the way women really think and are able to see how completely unrelated their thought is to what the Blue Pill teaches the betas to think.

So we Kill the Beta by waking him up... we destroy the mythology of the Blue Pill.

 

[–]RedSugarPill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've read both but I like your interpretation of pleasure in destruction. Hadn't thought of it that way before.

[–]Facha6697 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

In garrison, the military is easy. You get paid to stay in shape, you're provided with a lot of benefits, medical and financial, and it is a ticket to the middle class. As you go up in rank it becomes more difficult. In combat tours, it is difficult being away for so long and things happen but statistically you're safer. How many people have served in OIF/OEF vs the ones that die? Even less, actually caused by the enemy?

I got a team of well trained soldiers armed to the teeth willing to defend one another. Aerial vehicles, snipers, protective equipment, intelligence, upper armored vehicles, ballistic vests, helmet, goggles, ear pro, fire retardant uniform, etc. I have, depending on location, cooks, mechanics, laundry people, etc.

When i came back from a 15 month tour in Iraq, the first free weekend someone got shot 20 feet from me on the neck and die. I had nothing of what i had at my disposal during combat.

My degree was paid for and with another minimum 9 years, I'll receive a pension with medical benefits. I have home loans at my disposal with 0 down, the best rates and no PMI. I had the chance to travel a lot to Japan, Korea, Panama, etc. Besides, not many careers are as appreciated nowadays as the military.

My point is, joining the military is not a bad investment at all. It is a good career that properly managed can lead to a decent pay, an education, a nice house, medical benefits, a pension and the risk involved is calculated. I came close several times to dieing during combat, but then again, so have I while living in a major city in the US.

[–]DoubleTappp7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meh, some of us just wanted to be GWOT Traplords.

There are always exceptions to the evolutionary status quo. Incarnated game-changers. Mold-breakers. Manifestations of the alpha, that seem to present during pivotal times throughout history - times when metamorphic progress is needed most. In the case of humanity, these phenomena materialize in divergent forms. As revolutionaries. Philosophers. Forward thinkers. Artistic practitioners. Renaissance men. True believers. Conscious soldiers. As warriors. A warrior's reality is pure, his context unfiltered, his perception fluid. The warrior keeps us evolving. It is the warrior that sets in motion the violent shifting of the gears of change. The warrior knows truths that are as ancient as consciousness itself.

And the warrior will, against inconceivable odds, with broken body, exhausted spirit, weary confidence, and tempered conviction - carry us into the future.

Rah?

[–]redolas5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

One of my all-time heroes is Muhammad Ali. He had the balls to say NO to going to war for others. They promised him safety behind the front. He still refused to enroll. He had the strength to face the world with the truth.

You want a fight? Go fight in an arena. Get yourself in danger and live the life you want. That's the red pill. But don't kill others for living in the wrong place. Don't use machines to kill people. And definitely not for a system that is enslaving you and your family. That is blue pill.

[–]spacecowboyreturns2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]redolas0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

He didn't sign up for the goatherder's side. There is a much bigger chance for the goatherder to die than for the US soldier. There is an expansive system protecting the latter. Plus, he can come home when he finishes his duty.

The goatherder stays in the mess. And the goatherder gets no "hero status", no money and no nothing. He just gets to live one more day. He goes home to the family and has to provide some food out of the crater you left behind. You want a deadly challenge? Try the goatherder's side. Better yet, stay home and be a firefighter.

In an arena you can't hide behind your machine gun. You don't have air support, you don't have tanks. You don't have drones, air surveillance, etc. It's you against another mean bastard, who just wants to do damage to you. Get against him. That is alpha. Our ancestors didn't have tanks and guns - it was a fist-fight for millions of years. That's what alpha is.

[–]spacecowboyreturns0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]redolas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

you will still drop dead just like anyone else if you're not careful.

That's exactly why it's not alpha. You have the sword, armor and horse. Standing up to a guy with a pocket knife.

And if you signed up for it, well go and stay in combat. You wanted it. Don't ask me to hail you a hero for it. Have my contempt.

[–]Rasalom72[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

They still don’t need to register for the draft.

And until men realize that it's discrimination, and stop doing so, why would they? This will need to be fought in the courts.

[–]hamstercide1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How's the military BP? Isn't Jody a well-known concept?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I really enjoyed this post.

Thank you for writing it.

[–]12_f_taiwan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

War has changed. Nowadays it's literally dying for Israel.

[–]CornyHoosier1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've got a lot of military buddies and family members. out of all of them, I only have one that admits to this:

There I said it. I wanted to go to the fight. I wanted to close with and destroy the enemy. To quote George S. Patton “All my life I’ve wanted to lead a lot of men in a desperate battle. Now I’m going to do it."

Or to quote him, "I just wanted to kill motherfuckers that wanted to mess with me and blow shit up". He did, and it certainly cost him physically, but he still says he loved it.

As for me ... I can't stand anyone telling me what to do. I chalk that up to being raised by a single mother who was always poking at me.

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[–]arcaneadam5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Step 1: Steal all the Grilled Chicken MRE's so you keep your protein up. (Also spend you own money on protein like a normal human)

Step 2. Sleep whenever the fuck you can. Standing in line, sitting down, in the back of C-130, on a blackhawk, while walking on patrol ;)

Step 3. Lift in your free time.

Step 4-5. ??????

Step 6. Gainz.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always traded for the spaghetti and grilled chicken. Not an easy task.

[–]Walksaway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's all about the Chicken Peni man, get some M&Ms too.

[–]Squeezymypenisy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Special forces are so overhyped. They are basically just an elite group of operatives for the government. I would much rather take the officer track. That can lead to some status. Get as high as you can then using your experience and connections get a cushy office job after you retire.

[–]Walksaway1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am a grunt. I like to fuck shit up. Yeah SHARP and EO is bullshit. However, when you are out there doing MOUT or going through battle drills you feel like a real badass. Like anything in life there is bullshit, but you get to do cool shit too.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You dont even get to choose your MOS!

This is simply not true of all branches at all times. There are many different military contracts, and some of them absolutely guarantee you a specific job field (such as infantry). The specific job within that job field can vary, but in the end if it's in the same field it is going to be pretty similar.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I won't be signing any 8yr jail-binding contract to maybe get the job I was seeking.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I hear you, to each their own. It really comes down to what your goals are in life. If armed combat isn't one of them, and if you have no inherent disposition to wanting to be in the military as a temporary break before moving on in life to bigger things, then the military almost certainly isn't going to be a good option.

[–]hamstercide0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What I found was that most of the shit the average guy does is long long formation in the hot sun, police calls, indoctrination rituals, had to shave the beloved beard, attend many sexual harassment assault rape (SHARP) seminars and quizzes, pick up equipment, follow orders with no thought, soo many regs, and the constant desire to kill individuality. The military is nothing like the movies or video games. It's astounding how little people know about it once you're "in".

All that stuff actually sounds good to me.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Roids are super cheap overseas...

[–]TheValkuma2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The only non blue reason is to fight, that's primal alpha. The only red reason unfortunately makes you mentally unbalanced.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thus explains my conclusion of the post basically amounting to nothing. I set out to destroy the notion that the military is a blue pilled organization. Instead, I found that the only red is in individuals.

But what makes us mentally unbalanced. In a way, I believe that it is the greatest balancing act of all. We as men are hunters and warriors. The sheer nature of modern civilization has taken that away from us, therefore masculinity has been left to self definition. Something that Rollo Tomassi has very eloquently explained in his post about male honor.

The way I see it is that, for wanting it, for experiencing the animal inside myself, I have satisfied my primal instincts and therefore am complete as a man. Only then, by completing the path of the warrior can you come to the conclusion that you are mentally unbalanced or not.

[–]freeman841 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You say you joined, because you "wanted to", yet mention 9/11 as a critical reason for joining, which was the entire purpose of the event in the first place.

You can hamster your reasoning for joining all you want, but in the end you were duped into it like every other sucker.

If you really believe the official 9/11 story, or any official narrative you see in the media, it's time for you to swallow the other Red Pill.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I wasn't even 12 years old when 9/11 happened. I had many many years of people trying to talk me out of it.

Nice try though

[–]freeman840 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

And yet you still mention it as the core reason for you to join.

9/11 captured the nationalist in us in a way that hadn’t been seen since WWII.

Being that young when it happened doesn't make you immune to it, to how your family reacted to it, your school, your friends, in fact i'd argue the opposite, that you were more susceptible to it as a form of indoctrination, unable to view it with critical thought at such a young age.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ah I see your confusion. I was utilizing the term "we" in the collective sense. Not in the personal sense. I'm speaking for people, do you understand?

Now, I've had ample time to make these determinations for my own. And when it all boiled down to it, I realize that I alone am powerless against it. It didn't change the fact I wanted to go to war. Any war. I really don't give a shit about the reason we were there other than to lead men into battle.

Oh wait? I said that in my post...

[–]idgaf-3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

By joining the military you are just a tiny pawn in a system you don't understand.

All Wars Are Bankers' Wars

Believe whatever makes you feel better. It doesn't change any outcomes.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThe_Titleist[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's nice, but you missed the point of my post. What I'm saying is that I went because I wanted to. I know myself and what I'm like. I would have joined any military in any country. I joined the US army because I'm American. It's no more complex than that.

[–]CoriolanusRevisited5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is exactly it. This idea that nobody in the military understands how fucked the system is, or how corporate profits and political maneuvering adversely effect the lives of military servicemen, is absolutely ridiculous. I knew many of my fellow infantry Marines that know exactly how messed up the system is, that the government really doesn't give a flying fuck about us, etc.

But we joined the infantry for our own reasons, and it wasn't some naive sense of duty. It was more or less for the opportunity to see combat, and experience life on the edge in a way that wouldn't land you in prison. That's why most infantry join, especially in a time of war, but of course that's not what you will hear the most because like your post said, it is incredibly socially unacceptable to say you wanted to kill people legally so you only ever talk like that in an anonymous setting or alone with your brothers in arms.

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I was born ( not raised for very long ) in a country that romanticized war. This is why many boys at the age of 18 join. That's the core.

Evolution made a majority of men yearn for a brotherhood and for the trial of combat.

This is the reason there are "warriors" on wall street.

This is the reason the Book of Five Rings is taught in some form of business schools/ organizations.

Men have a drive to compete. This resulted in pretty much every invention since the stick.

Women compete for men.

Women's Lib as a movement saw the results of men's competition and wanted a piece.

[–]Merica9110 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

There should be a red pill for how us men see the government in like how it's actually intentions and not from what they say. There should of been 0, fucking zero, reason why America went into Iraq, unless they had something completely different on their agenda unlike what they were telling American citizens.

[–]NeoreactionSafe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Global beta slavery is the goal.

The erasing of all preexisting cultures must be complete into order to establish a new order.

So the whole process is to create wars, invent new reasons for conflict with the end result that the people around the globe are dumbed down into a universalist Blue Pill mentality.

Does the media manipulate people to support the agenda?

Absolutely.

The Red Pill teaches us how Game works at a very primal level so our eyes are open to what the globalists are doing. We "see" because we acquired the ability to "see". You can't just tell a beta much of this because their programming will emotionally blind them from seeing the truth.

So when we Kill the Beta we pave the way for others to "see".

 

[–]2Overkillengine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I joined because the alternatives were to be a jobless failure living with his parents, or homeless and starving.

It was amusing however to see others from my area that also enlisted because they wanted to be badasses chapter out after not being able to handle being shorn of the support their families and social networks back home gave them.

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I wanted to go to war.

Alpha? Sure. Foolish? That too.

[–]DankMemePls0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Joining the military isn't blue pill if you are completely behind your country and the cause. Defending what is yours is a noble trait. However I would say that in this day and age people are really only serving their political masters by joining. Today people are joining the military, yet letting their country get destroyed in an ideological way.

[–]bigcitytruth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The irony is that a healthy majority of people who tend to be military recruits, call themselves all-American and patriotic and are gung ho about avenging the deaths of New Yorkers .... yet they turn around and say New York values aren't American values. The truth is, they don't give a shit about New York. So I think you're right, it's a primal blood lust. An urge to go "kick some ass."

[–]RedPillAnonymous0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Those of us who joined for the money are the only RP soldiers (mercenaries) there are. All you goofs with your heads full of fantasies of manly glory and brotherhood were an absurd joke. Insecure betas trying to prove manhood through obedient service and self sacrifice while Chad/Jody bangs your sweetheart. When you get your legs blown off you get to rot all alone in a disabled veterans home while Chad/Jody keeps banging your girl. I believe patriotism is blue as fuck.

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"I wanted to go to war.

There I said it. I wanted to go to the fight. I wanted to close with and destroy the enemy. To quote George S. Patton “All my life I’ve wanted to lead a lot of men in a desperate battle. Now I’m going to do it."

The reason I joined is the same reason a militant from ISIS joined, the same reason Germans joined, the same reason knights did it, Romans, Greeks, any warrior really. As men, part of our nature is the warrior. To deny this would be ignorance of the highest degree.

The issue at work is that our feminized and blue pilled society cannot accept that fact. Belief in the cause is just a front that we put on so that lesser people can rationalize that what we were doing there is moral and just. They cannot accept that normal people have it in them to fight and kill. They cannot accept that PTSD is brought on by being ripped from war and their brothers and expected to be civilized again more than weakness or shame or regret. I hate it almost as much as people who say “Thank you for your service”. Bitch, I didn’t do it for you and you probably don’t deserve it anyway."

QFT. I couldn't say it publicly when I was in. I also joined for self improvement, rebuild my life, the money, the GI Bill and all that. Hell I dropped 40 pounds to join at 28

I left because there was no war at the time. I was lucky to serve in peace time

I left to get my 40 acres and mule, (now make over 90K plus benis, house 5 years from being paid off etc...). I got tired of be treated as some substandard shit bird making less than minimum. I didn't want to to 20 years "retire" at 48 then be told oh your too young to have a pension. I told my guys to count noses when I left number of vets vs envious public. That envious public will vote your benis away in a heart beat.

I left because I figured this society was not worth see my friends die for. Especially the ladies (stay at home moms are really annoying) in my current neighborhood who were complaining about 4.50 per gallon gas they were shoving into their 6000 pound SUV shuttling their over privileged kid to soccer practice. This still chaps my ass. Don't get me started on corporate execs and "business owners" who stab their people in the back, there are a few good ones out there 95% are pure shit.

[–]Kafkaevsky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think we are taking this blupill redpill thing too far. Military is just military, politicians are just politicians, your behavior and thoughts are what are bluepill/redpill. Most guys in the military are very RP, special forces, most of the people who went to Vietnam and the world wars e.t.c some are BP.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a values question - it's kind of outside the scope of alpha / beta. Saying a military career is beta is like saying being an engineer is beta or being an professor is beta. It just is a misuse of the terms alpha and beta.

Ultimately, if you do something because deep down, it's your mission as a man, and you have to take that road, then that's really the end of the story. If you do something because someone else convinced you to, or you were indoctrinated into it, or you're doing it out of some self-sacrificial "I owe it to the collective" thinking... then that's beta.

For example I know guys who hate med school, are miserable, overworked, sexless, never do anything interesting, and ONLY are following that path to being a doctor because they want to make their parents happy. They may be on a high SMV trajectory, but they are beta and it shows. They have sunken eyes, they are out of shape, and their mentality is driven by a deep need to win approval from others and be perceived as "successful".

Likewise if you join the military because you believe it will get you glory and respect, and you want other men to think you are cool, and you think you'll be a badass... that's pretty beta. If you join because you believe the badass commercials and you feel you owe it to the greater good of society, who couldnt give less of a fuck about you... then you're a mark.

But if you do it because you feel that in your heart, that's your calling, and it's the best conceivable way to do what you want to do with your life, then great. Go do it. If you feel you need it for your personal mission, and you have researched what the military path you've chosen actually entails, then fine. Do your research, look into what life is like for the given paths, and if the reality really speaks to you, then there's nothing beta about pursuing it.

Just like with any other career, be smart, learn to talk the talk, figure out how to rise, and you can forge a decent career for yourself as a young dude. Get a good education too, and you'll exit your service well.

Bottom line is, people see in black and white. The entire corporate world is very blue pilled and very red pilled in different ways, and the military from what I've read is the same way. It's up to you to bring a RP mentality to what you do, it's up to you to use whatever your career track may be to forge yourself into what you want to become.

[–]BlueFreedom4200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The way of the warrior is found is death.

All of the old school red pill motherfuckers in the military are gone. Sexual harrasment/assault crap and the drug war has removed such fine men.

The military used to be red pill as fuck before the mid 90's Don't mistake DOD talking points for the great men who served.

[–]Gunnilingus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree that many aspects of the military are now blue pill as fuck; of course it is - it's funded by the government and are therefore vulnerable to the feminist lobby just like the rest of the government. However, joining the military is not inherently blue pill. Sure, some of the guys joined the military for some dumb bullshit bluepiller reason. Myself, though - I'm in the "I wanted to go to war" category. Throughout history, human societies of all shapes and sizes have always required warriors to do its dirty work. A certain number of males have always that warrior blood running in our veins that urges us to be violent towards other men - and that is fundamentally a testosterone-based urge. In prehistoric times, the literal alpha male of the tribe always had that warrior blood because he rose to his position through violence. "Is there anything more blue pill than joining the military?" In other words, "Is there anything more blue pill than the desire to assert your dominance over other men in the most complete and final way possible - by killing them?" The urge to go to war isn't blue pill - it's the antithesis of blue pill. There are no simpering beta males on the battlefield - only the dominant and the dead.

[–]1favours_of_the_moon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Self discipline is often viewed as "beta," because a bitch only loves the dude who is all sizzle and no steak.

A bitch has no idea how much steak it takes to make that sizzle.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The real reason why you had this urge to risk dismemberment is that you were psychologically conditioned by thousands of hours of DoD funded movie and television psyops, to have a positive view of military service. That's a cold hard fact.

As for fame glory and honor, that's not a cold hard fact, so whatever beans.

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[–]NolanHarlow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is simply not true. Academy pedigree does not improve promotion potential. No one gives a fuck where you went to school by the time you pin O-3.



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