Married and MGTOW

Griever114 · 2018-01-23T12:19:05+00:00

You can be married and support MGTOW. It's called: "I fucked up, took the red pill but its too late for me. If i leave I will be divorce raped into homelessness and never see my kids again".

Being married and mgtow.. I agree is not possible.

Being married and supporting MGTOW is a whole different story.

gods_bones · 2018-01-23T09:28:52+00:00

Download this PDF.

HOW TO FIRE YOUR WIFE - A Guide For Married Men To Safely Escape Slavery.pdf

Iamverydrunknow · 2018-01-23T11:54:42+00:00

Well, i didnt get the memo till after i was married with children. Currently waiting for the youngest to be old enough that i can go my own way., until then i am a sympathizer only.

Megitgud · 2018-01-23T11:56:27+00:00

Walking on eggshells and calling yourself mgtow is cognitive dissonance, it's not that hard to understand.

MadPreacher1AD · 2018-01-23T09:31:56+00:00

Well written and reasoned response to the recent events. I agree with you 110%.

xxyyzz987 · 2018-01-23T12:43:35+00:00

I support MGTOW and recommend not to marry, and more important, not becoming a father. But I'm married. Why? After I was tricked into fatherhood and screwed with the usual things (child support and support for the mother which ist high in my country even if you were not married, being alienated from the child and so on) I realized I had really nothing more to lose. So why not try some fun and use some of these mechanisms in my own favor?

So I married someone with a good income. She works much more, with marriage we have benefits from income tax and health insurance. Got more children. I am the one who looks for them. Plus some nice hobbies for me. She pays the bills. If the marriage breaks, I am the one wo collects alimony and half of everything. Maybe it will not develop this way, but who cares? I already lost everything because of my first fatherhood.

We should not judge men because of the legal state they are. Sometimes there are more reasons than the first look suggests. Someone 10%, 40%, 80% MGTOW, just supporter, self designated MGTOW? Why should this matter? Go YOUR own way.

(Sorry, english is not my first language. First post here after lurking some weeks)

MGTOW_experienced · 2018-01-23T13:14:07+00:00

MGTOW, in it's best sense, is being corrupted and invaded. In it's best sense, it is the understanding that men submit to being second status in the social structure that puts women on top. So men who marry submit to this second status and are not MGTOW. Those who want to marry are not MGTOW. Those men who, for whatever reason, can't get sex or a relationship with a woman without submitting to this second level status and keep trying for sex and relationships are also not MGTOW. Nothing will change for men until men stop submitting.

Ohboohoolittlegirl · 2018-01-23T10:17:15+00:00

Wanna-be MGTOWS who know what will happen once they divorce. Understand the interest, but you can't follow the philosophy while shitting on one of the basic principles. Do NOT marry or cohabitate. I understand these guys see reason and identify with the content here, but as long as your wife is wearing the pants, you can't really, truly say you are MGTOW IMO

dirtydog113 · 2018-01-23T10:55:16+00:00

bloody oath ........raise a glass to this one

TempleOfIron · 2018-01-23T13:51:35+00:00

Just look at Married Red Pill, what a mess that is. Their advice is, "You must become alpha to win her over" They shame men and blame them for the issues in the marriage.

Married Frustrated Man: "Oh she's being cold and distant with me. She hasn't had sex with me in years."

MRP: "That's because you are not alpha enough. You need to pass her shit tests jump through all of her hoops. Then you will be rewarded with sex. Dread her."

It's never her fault in MRP land. It's always the mans fault for not being alpha enough.

Reinehc · 2018-01-23T12:50:23+00:00

WAIT I FOUND SOMETHING...

Can I still be MGTOW but discover MGTOW after marriage? and realize it was a mistake?

JakBlack1234 · 2018-01-23T13:02:21+00:00

Married before I took the redpill here.

Began my journey 8+ years ago when, one frustrated night, I sat at my computer and typed, "why won't my wife give me blowjobs?" I've spend the last few years studying various aspects of the redpill, including PUA and MGTOW, and would choose MGTOW if I had a second chance. I stand to lose too much to make divorce worthwhile, so I'll suffer through (with compensation.)

Anyway, I agree that I'm not a MGTOW and that your point is correct. The only caveat would be that I would put lots of guys on this forum who are TFL or would otherwise jump at a girl in a heartbeat if they could get one (but cannot) in the same category.

For what it's worth, I'm betting a sizeable cohort here are married, at least 25% of the subs. I also think the married guys (I can mostly tell who they are) contribute some of the best content here, especially about the nature of women. Guys who fell in the pit and can warn others of the dangers ahead, as it were.

merchantofreddit · 2018-01-23T13:32:41+00:00

You can be in prison and still be against it.

There’s fire that burns in each of us. Your rhetoric divides our people

EdwardElric69 · 2018-01-23T09:36:00+00:00

What man chooses to get married though? I dont see the benefits

GemStarCN21 · 2018-01-23T11:59:02+00:00

Agreed.

Afab67 · 2018-01-23T13:58:05+00:00

Married and MGTOW? Not possible. You can be married with MGTOW ambitions, but that's not the same thing.

LordKolkonut · 2018-01-23T13:26:04+00:00

I wasn't aware that MGTOW had rules.

I wasn't aware that KNXmgtow was the Ruler Overlord and Official Rule-Maker and/or Gatekeeper of the International Super-Secret-Boys-Only MGTOW Community Movement Association Incorporated.

How about you stop trying to control other people, and just go your own way?

MGTOW is about choice. If I decide that ripping my fingernails out with a rusty tweezer makes me happy, then that is a perfectly valid path for me to GMOW.

the fundemental universal absolute rule MGTOW philosphy was started and built on is ANTI MARRIAGE

There is no fundamental rule of MGTOW other than 'choose your own way'. Stop spreading bullshit.

KNXmgtow · 2018-01-23T12:36:54+00:00

Well said brother

HM_mtl · 2018-01-23T13:31:10+00:00

The OP's post reminds something that the feminists do: "Strong independant women - Kill all men. If you are a married woman or a woman living with a man, you can't be a feminist. Feminists must kill all men. So stop saying you are a feminist if you have a relationship with a man. The feminist philosphy was built on an anti-patriachy. It's really that simple ffs..."

Why OP you have to do this?

nosoupforyou · 2018-01-23T17:25:01+00:00

If you're married and think you're MGTOW, you're not. You're Al Bundy.

syd-heich · 2018-01-23T13:20:17+00:00

Married men are a bunch of kids that tell their papas I wannabe MGTOW coz it's keeeeeewl! I wanna i wanna i wanna

Lord_Vats · 2018-01-23T13:28:45+00:00

I'm sorry man but I completely disagree.

MGTOW is about recognizing women's true nature: briffault's law, hypergamy, hypoagency etc. And I think a married can be called MGTOW once he has awakened himself and is actively trying to escape his marriage.

MGTOW is a philosophy and therefore anyone who follows the philosophy is a MGTOW.

PapaMGTOW · 2018-01-23T17:13:54+00:00

Im so tired if these purple pills cucks!

Mchooofer · 2018-01-23T13:15:42+00:00

Great point exactly.

foreversinglebong · 2018-01-23T13:25:05+00:00

I 100% agree. But there are some who were red pilled later and now are waiting to escape or counting their days to freedom.

hodltaco · 2018-01-23T13:53:49+00:00

Respectfully, I will offer a scenario where a version of MGTOW does exist within a married confine. There are plenty of us that began our MGTOW as married persons. In my case I simply had had it. I’ll never forget the drive home from work after an on the phone beating from my wife. I thought about the futility of it, I thought about the example to my kids. I was positively suicidal by the time I got home.

Of course I rebounded quickly sitting in the back yard with a triple scotch imagining my life alone. What would that be like? I imagined how great it was. Then it occurred to me that I could begin immediately. Live the life I want completely how I want immediately.

The wife never cooked and never cleaned and expected me to do that. I was expected home by 7:00 every night. I was not allowed on solo trips out on weekends. I couldn’t even drive the car I wanted. So many more things not mentioned that she thought she had control over stopped in a moment. Sure I lost a lot in the divorce but what I didn’t realize was how much I had already lost and how insanely easy it was to regain everything from my self-esteem to my financial health once I was allowed to focus solely on myself.

Life is so good right now it should be illegal.

-clickhere- · 2018-01-23T16:55:46+00:00

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Lucy-Sky-Diamondz · 2018-01-23T17:01:55+00:00

lol married dudes coming here wishing they can be us. Soon my brethren, give it some time

balancedben · 2018-01-23T19:09:16+00:00

You can be married and be pro mgtow but you can't be married and be mgtow. I get tired of the red pilled Christ centered tradcon cucks saying otherwise. They just can't accept that they're weak de balled men and are enabling gynocentrism themselves. Piss on them. To say they're in need of a beat down is an understatement.

fmanly · 2018-01-23T13:36:33+00:00

I'd say that somebody isn't MGTOW if they choose to get married. However, I'm not sure I'd agree that somebody who is married can't become MGTOW while they are already married.

This is basically just arguing over definitions though. Some say that married people who realize they messed up are "supporting MGTOW" and others might say that they "are MGTOW." Personally I tend to lean towards the latter, but the distinction doesn't seem all that important.

Now, if you're talking about purple-pillers who claim to be MGTOW while seeking to get married I'd agree with you. I started to get progressively more red-pilled towards the end of my marriage though I had not heard of MGTOW at the time. If I had I'd probably consider myself MGTOW, even if I was still stuck in a marriage at the time.

ImmortanV8 · 2018-01-23T13:42:13+00:00

It is easy to have a big mouth regarding going your own way while never having been in a relationship that took personal and social responsibility from you. Because of some nagging and bitching girlfriend, being a pussy who is tucking away his dick is a pretty effortless way of going your own way. It‘s mirroring the female egoism by behaving like them, just without the constant hypocrisy women put up to get to their goals. It‘s my way or no way is a dead end road to nowhere, thats why so many guys who want to GTOW out of reactionary motives have no idea where to go or what to do with their lifes.

Of course a father of kids who is chained to a wife cannot just go his own way in the sense that he just drops his kids and kicks the bitch to the curb. But he can still get in charge of his life by acting and reacting on his own terms and take the lead. That is also going your own way, just not alone. All I wanna say is going your own way is easy if you are alone, but not if you cannot drop your family that you are responsible for. Accusing married man to not be MGTOW is creating a circle jerk to exclude those guys who have the most knowledge about women. I think this might even be a feminist psy-op à la „ok we have no arguments against their logic, just divide them by shaming the married of not being enough MGTOW so that they weaken and are argueing against each other instead about women“. Fuck off

WhistlingAlong · 2018-01-23T13:46:05+00:00

Some guys here are also in short term / long term relationships. That's not mgtow so please be careful.

KNXmgtow · 2018-01-23T15:55:00+00:00

Married and MGTOW is like saying ‘healthy at any size’

donald347 · 2018-01-24T00:06:37+00:00

The opposite of a mgtow, is a husband

WhatTheFudge215 · 2018-01-24T00:50:25+00:00

Doesnt make sense to me how do you "go your own way" when youre involved with someone. Confusion

WideExemplification · 2018-01-23T12:22:03+00:00

/r/gatekeeping

KNXmgtow · 2018-01-23T13:58:04+00:00

We are men going our own way by forging our own identities and paths to self-defined success; cutting through collective ideas of what a man is.

ItsFatAlpha · 2018-01-23T14:23:59+00:00

Weeeeeeelllllllllllllll not to be THAT guy but...

My ex left 4 years ago. Still have not finished the paperwork. So technically....

DarwinianKEKistani · 2018-01-23T14:29:50+00:00

Well some degenerate yesterday was trying to insult me saying that i cant be an nice orbiter mangina like him....

Whithout moderation this sub will fucking dilute into the cesspool of reddit retardedness and degeneracy

sidel3 · 2018-01-23T14:53:18+00:00

The term I think best describes this is married and red pilled.

Kornstar04 · 2018-01-23T14:53:58+00:00

Simple, if you're a married and find out you are mgtow, divorce.

Yes it's painful, but you either get that ball rolling first (suggest you watch Terrance Popp on how to make it work for you) or you wake up one day to a #metoo and homeless.

Either way, divorce is coming.

IslandicFreedom · 2018-01-23T15:33:01+00:00

If you claim to be MGTOW and yet have marriage plans in the wings. What exactly is MGTOW then?

raxical · 2018-01-23T16:26:20+00:00

Am married. Am not mgtow but understand and support mgtow. Doesn't seem hard to me.

Actanonverba11 · 2018-01-23T16:35:30+00:00

Yup. In this case, it's called Married Red Pill.

MTGOStark · 2018-01-23T18:06:36+00:00

MGTOW is about understanding women, society, and how to maximize your own potential as a man, and thus not getting married is a fundamental tenet. Getting married means you do no understand any of the above. A women who cannot love you without a ring doesn't love you. Society treats married men like slaves. And wife and children are typically antithetical to achieving your dreams.

A married MGTOW is like someone who claims they are a mathematician, when they don't even know basic arithmetic.

treble-n-bass · 2018-01-23T18:23:22+00:00

When you're married or in a serious relationship, you take on that other person's problems. When you have kids, you take on a whole additional set of problems. When you've never married, yet have dated a woman or women, you have tasted a sample of said problems. If tasting that set of problems has led you to be MGTOW, then you are MGTOW. If you have tasted that set of problems and still married and/or had kids, then that's YOUR problem.

Faulko77 · 2018-01-23T19:17:34+00:00

Waiting for the inevitable "My girl supports mgtow too, is it cool if she joins?"

poloppoyop · 2018-01-23T22:19:00+00:00

You can't call yourself free while still in jail.

You can sympathize with free men, be a cautionary tale and encourage them to not fuck up like you did. You're still not free.

bargul · 2018-01-23T23:06:09+00:00

Agreed, this shit is getting out of hand. Married = Not Mgtow

KNXmgtow · 2018-01-23T14:04:57+00:00

While I agree with you, I would like to point out that part of being MGTOW is refusing to let other people define you.

Naz-One · 2018-01-23T14:27:11+00:00

Isn't it of some value, for those of us on the plantation to tell you what it's really like? The media is constantly selling marriage with articles like "Married Men are Healthier, Happier and Live Longer", "Married Men Have More, Better Sex". Who else can shed some light?

owninfools007 · 2018-01-23T14:54:03+00:00

Sometimes its cheaper to keep her...

Gmiou · 2018-01-23T15:08:57+00:00

You damn right bro!!

BitchesBHating · 2018-01-23T16:14:55+00:00

My mom isn’t even bad but she did serious fucking trauma acting out her neurosis.

SpinPlates · 2018-01-23T16:50:45+00:00

Agreed. If you're married you should check out married redpill and try to take a little control of the life you already threw away with an "I do"

Jonlife · 2018-01-23T17:14:24+00:00

It's true what ddj says, alot of men are one blow job away from going back to the plantation. Even with feminism still dominating. These men use things like mgtow to get attention. More power to them for finding a group like mgtow for moral support, but you're playing yourselves thinking that there's still that NAWALT out there.

It's like seeing what's happening in the red pill sub right now. So many guys trying to take the term "pua" and replace it with "red pill". It's a shame because it's obvious these men aren't content with where they are. They aren't even happy that they've been awakened by what the red pill did to them. They still feel like the red pill needs to help them get more pussy, or respect from women.

These guys who still think they can date women but claim to be mgtow are sadly confused. They're lying to themselves. And many of them simply need years of psychiatric evaluation. Alot of how they were raised will play a role into why they're doing all this. Lying to themselves in this manner.

DilateTRESDOPE · 2018-01-23T18:50:02+00:00

Well said

Belrick_NZ · 2018-01-23T20:37:43+00:00

Im married mgtow and the good thing is that i don't need this op cunts permission neither.

Mgtow is a principle and one thing it has taught me is to treat women like men.

Got the bitch in my life trained. While i fear the fuck out of divorce. Losing my kids again. I act as if i don't give a fuck if she leaves.

Women are cancer and some of us are already infected.

givecake · 2018-01-24T01:49:18+00:00

I'm married and I agree with this wholeheartedly. I am drawn to the solution mindset of MGTOW, but recognise I cannot fully embrace it while I am also trying to honour God and do what is right for me and my family. I stay here because it helps me to stay focused on the important things.

I often talk to my wife about how men and women are different, and over time I have noticed she has changed EVER so slightly, in a positive direction. But that's not to say it could 'work' for everyone, it clearly wouldn't, and it's so slow, the pain and suffering you have to endure to get there just makes it not worth it at all.

The key is not to get married in the first place. Unless God finds you a wife, because only God can find a unicorn.

toad249 · 2018-01-24T02:14:27+00:00

Only children deal in absolute dichotomies. Are you a child?

SpongeGar1234 · 2018-01-24T02:45:02+00:00

idk about the gay thing, i told my gay friend about MGTOW and he said "its nothing like that in gay relationships, its equal chores, no nagging, and nobody withholds sex to use as leverage". i told him that its probably because the power structure is different, and men aren't taught to be entitled. he agreed.

ZcytheP · 2018-01-23T14:08:50+00:00

true that

tharkyllinus · 2018-01-23T17:16:37+00:00

You could be married and be an MRA. you can support tge MGTOW movement. You damn sure can learn how to handle the woman your with. Might end up single once you see how she is or she sees what your becoming. Then you can be MGTOW. Now you have something to look forward to in a devorce.

Fyodor007 · 2018-01-23T20:36:04+00:00

Gate keeping at its finest.

RiceballonRage · 2018-01-24T01:11:17+00:00

Lmao at editing. I guess I'm outgrow mgtow. Mgtow is just another another plantation.

Gmiou · 2018-01-24T07:50:14+00:00

Yeap. Lucky bastard!!

6space6space6 · 2018-02-27T17:37:04+00:00

Married and mgtow. Isn't that like having foreskin and being circumcised at the same time?

richirichrich · 2018-02-28T20:07:06+00:00

I guess im late to the party but... how can you not be MGTOW if you are gay and married? that seems pretty MGTOW to me if you are just reasonable dudes that like dick

TurnItBackOnThem · 2018-01-23T15:42:38+00:00

I would disagree. As per the sidebar definition:

We are men going our own way by forging our own identities and paths to self-defined success; cutting through collective ideas of what a man is.

My life is not defined by my wife, and she does not control me. She is aware that my premarital assets are protected (House, Rental property, and pre-marriage retirement funds) She supports my hobbies / interests, and does not nag if I choose to do things without her (eg. hiking).

It was not easy to find someone like her, but they do exist. I'm realistic about divorce rates, and the divorce process. It also doesnt hurt that while she was already a citizen, she was raised outside of the US.

RiceballonRage · 2018-01-23T17:54:37+00:00

You should change mgtow to men follow other men instead of men GOING their own way if you define mgtow as following other people who claim to be mgtow. This is stupid lol

boringcarpets · 2018-01-23T20:06:20+00:00

I agree, but the unfortunate that are still married still need a place to go

frankmarlowe · 2018-01-23T21:23:03+00:00

I used to think that way, but no longer.

I do think a married man can come to MGTOW conclusions, but cannot truly go his own way until he is no longer married. Marriage for many is the ultimate red-pill that wakes them up. And we def see many married people come here.

So from a terminology perspective, yeah, impossible to actually be a MGTOW and married. But that doesn't mean we can't give these dudes the knowledge, support, and courage to end that sham before it's too late. At least, if that's what they want.

MGTOWtoday · 2018-01-23T22:56:52+00:00

Yeh, I'm gonna say you can be a married MGTOW. It's rare, but it does happen every once in a while.

KNXmgtow · 2018-01-24T01:43:11+00:00

i welcome any man that feels he needs support. if calling yourself mgtow gets you through the day, who am i to judge. i control myself and myself alone. i have no investment in mgtow, i have investment in me. if you come to me for help, i will help but not to my own detriment.

married men calling themselves mgtow takes nothing from me. you should not be concerned. your concern is for the dilution of something you identify with. mgtow by definition is not that. policing "membership" is its antithesis.

cadthrwaway9152 · 2018-01-24T02:09:39+00:00

There are men who are married and come across MGTOW later on in life. A simple cost-benefit analysis could suggest that if there aren't any significant problems with the marriage that it's better to stay in it then pay a half-your-shit entry fee to get the title of "MGTOW." This is even more so the case if you have kids to consider.

If someone is MGTOW and then chooses to get married and still calls themselves MGTOW, that to me doesn't make sense.

KNXmgtow · 2018-01-24T07:38:42+00:00

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TempleOfIron · 2018-01-23T12:33:47+00:00

Can you be a MGTOW in an LTR? I suppose it depends on the fact if you live with her or not

buff_minorcan · 2018-01-23T17:22:26+00:00

I mean maybe there was a time back in the day, like the 17th/18th century where you were extremely wealthy and at 30 it was arranged for you to marry some 17 year old virgin and she like never left the house. Meanwhile you were constantly traveling, banging anything you wanted, and when you finally did make it home your hot young wife was just at home waiting.

You had all the power and did basically what you wanted. So I guess in a different time you could be MGTOW and married but those days are LONG gone, regardless of money in the bank. Because even if you tried to live that lifestyle she can legally get half your shit now. Or make false claims of abuse, etc.

RiceballonRage · 2018-01-23T17:40:56+00:00

This is stupid. Mgtow is men going their own way. Who give a shit if you call or label urself as mgtow or not. Or why would anybody who is true to mgtow give a shit. I'm a mgtow. I go my own way. I don't care what mgtow community or whatever you are call me. I understand women nature. And If I want to get marry and call myself mgtow and not follow the mass general mgtow, I will. Your opinion of mgtow is or what mgtow suppose to be doesn't effect me. And that is the true mgtow.

poapratensis · 2018-01-23T22:56:09+00:00

Umm...well...I am not MGTOW and never have been. I an happily married. It's why I've never subbed and never will, but that doesn't mean that I am uninterested or have nothing to contribute.

Frankly, I am certain that all or most men going their own way can neither be healthy nor a solution to the very real problems that exist. But, given the situation I think it most reasonable to GYOW. Women have made themselves virtually unloveable by and large.

I have sister-in-laws that have served up so many red pills over the years, and this is from the perspective of casual disinterest and/or avoidance; the reality of monkey branching, SMV, the CC, and other dynamics described here cannot be ignored.

However I am quite certain that AWALT is a myth. There are NAWALTS, though they are nearing extinction I fear.

KNXmgtow · 2018-01-23T17:45:01+00:00

Quit trying to gatekeep MGTOW.

Some men can't just pack up bags and go.

Title	Married and MGTOW
Author	KNXmgtow
Upvotes	345
Comments	332
Date	January 23, 2018 9:07 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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