Fatherhood is a social construct, motherhood is a natural instinct

King_D0ng · 2021-02-21T13:51:48+00:00

I don't really think you've made a good argument or presented enough evidence to claim that "fatherhood" isn't ingrained in the instinctual level. I mean your own evidence shows that men have a biological reaction (lowered testosterone) to raising children that supposedly makes them better fathers. That seems like the biological mechanism for paternal instincts to me. Why would men evolve to lower thier T levels and decrease their chances of mating unless doing so increased their chances of successfully raising their own biological children. Also it should be well known that having a strong father figure is very important in child rearing.

I'm just not sure how you can say fatherhood is a social construct knowing men have a evolved biological response to raising children that makes them better fathers (but decreases their sexual attractiveness) and that children have evolved needing a strong paternal figure. Also not sure how you can think humans aren't at least partially instinctually monogamous when looking at the vast amount of monogamous cultures around today.

Dora_Bowl · 2021-02-21T13:31:00+00:00

Motherhood is still mostly socially constructed. The idea of mothers - and by extension motherhood - being something like nurturing, caring, understanding, or we can take more concrete examples of how mothers are expected to drive their children around, change diapers and feed children. None of this is some fact of the universe and men are capable of doing most of this.

anomanderforPOTUS · 2021-02-21T12:37:39+00:00

They both are social constructs. Everything after birthing a child is a social construct. But they both have people who instinctively have traits desirable for them.

I've wanted to be a dad since I was a young child. Now I'm a father and it really feels pretty easy and instinctual. My sister is a terrible mom, she just seems inept with kids.

Women aren't instinctual mothers and men can be instinctual father. Although these examples are seemingly in the minority.

But my dad was also a great dad. He said it was always very natural for him. He raised me over 30 years ago.

nemma88 · 2021-02-21T14:17:55+00:00

Biological changes happen under fatherhood which suggests it's somewhat natural, even their own hormonal changes during pregnancy. But I do not think to the same extent as motherhood - both of which are different to early humans though, which then prompts the motherhood being a social construct.

Edit; Probably worth mentioning fatherhood at a group or community level, which is common in mammals is still fatherhood. The drive is just 'Take care and protect the children' rather than a drive for specific actions which facilitate that. Different groups, or environmental factors can change how that drive is achieved very quickly in other mammals and ourselves.

GrandRub · 2021-02-21T12:36:23+00:00

"motherhood" is a social construct too.

Women give birth to children yeah ... but everything after that is a social construct.

mjhrobson · 2021-02-21T14:43:10+00:00

Why not, instead of telling some "just-so" fictions, go and read some actual anthropology and/or primatology?

I mean human and primate behaviour has actually been carefully studied now for sometime, but... I suppose that actually doing some work or having a serious viewpoint is "boring" when one can tell themselves a story to confirm their own petty bias.

Guess what we find in human societies living a stone-age hunter gatherer lifestyle... No wait you don't have to guess you can actually go and do some bloody research instead of writing fiction and trying to sell it as fact.

Suck-Less · 2021-02-21T12:21:57+00:00

Millennials men are more likely to spend more time raising their children; millennial men have a significantly lower testosterone level than men from previous generations. Millennial men are also far less likely to live as physically active as previous generations. This doesn’t show causation, only different facts.

madhunnybee · 2021-02-21T14:21:13+00:00

Bullshit. Nearly every parent has the instinct to protect their offspring so that their genetic material can be passed on.

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GullibleAirport732 · 2021-02-21T14:31:19+00:00

This has to be the craziest thing I've seen on this sub. Fathers are pivotal for raising children. The epidemic of single mothers in your society, is why men struggle with dating and become incels. It also explains guys picking up M16s over there and shooting up shopping malls. Fatherhood is pivotal. Who do you think taught men to hunt and survive? There's a chance it might have something to do with the father.

cuckspace · 2021-02-21T14:58:09+00:00

If they raised the child as a community then they didn’t really have the concept of motherhood either. Also, who cares? Are you saying things were better in the stone age?

EusticeSymington · 2021-02-21T18:24:50+00:00

Both are biological. I feel a desire to physically protect women on some level.

LeatherDifference583 · 2021-02-22T01:17:11+00:00

If men just fucked a bunch of women and 'spread their seed' - wouldn't that just result in a lot of incest within tribes?

I always think about this.

2021-02-21T14:06:27+00:00

Based on collapsing testosterone rates, the employment statistics for men, the declining marriage rates and the homeless rates I would digress.

Women don’t really understand men and have no idea how to raise a strong man. If they did we wouldn’t be living in a society full of weak and useless men who fail in life and can’t shoulder responsibility.

Title	Fatherhood is a social construct, motherhood is a natural instinct
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Date	February 21, 2021 12:09 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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