Among the shanigans of bickering on the web in gender discussions and debates especially here on reddit you generally get the feel that any dissent or upheaval directed toward a woman or a particular kind of group of women is treated as the same as attacking women as a whole. It's like whenever a man rightly points out a indecent behaviour in a woman or a group of women he is accused of misogyny or labeled as one of those other loathsome, demonized man groups. People seem to act proportionately defensive in alignment to a collective entity. Personally, I see unloathesome men distinguish themselves apart from collectives, it's usually the unlikable guys that hide behind some type of collective. I personally will throw any dude under the bus if he's being a shit head, I also don't stand up for any man who deserves what he gets. I don't see this with women very often, instead I oftenly see the opposite. There seems to be little effort among women to distinguish the sick minded from the good, it's as if the group identity has itself has been coopted and paracitized by the bad ones.

Ofcoarse, language itself is usually quite ambiguous and hard to fully discern, even in what ive said its very difficult to deduce the subtle nuance of speech. There's always extra layers to comprehending a person's dialectic and it should be attempted to infer the underlying meaning and the omitted words or phrases. For example when the topic is about terrible women, it should be inferred that non terrible women are excluded from the topic, there can be a point of relevance worth mentioning that would bring about their inclusion but generally it should be understood in so far as it's possible. Whereas things are obscure they can either be clarified or left obscure. But it seems to me like this error is typically made in the condemnation of terrible women and despite the cliche that women don't like to be treated as a monolithic group, they ironically do so whenever it is in favour of whatever devilish collective can manipulate the dialogue.

I don't mean to speak on behalf of those other men that can be quite easily concluded to have very petty motivations of hatred towards women or whatever. I'm totally aware that there are men out there that have absolutely disgusting mind sets and when they generalize women they do so in such a way that they do not mean to distinguish good from bad, instead they would rather treat them all equal. Which, ofcoarse is easier to understand since if all a man wants is something like sex from a woman and he doesn't get it, thus becomes frustrated and resentful, the only distinguishing line made between women is whether or not they are willing to copulation with him. Although commonly left unsaid, myself and many others would have many more definitions behind how we construe women. Even though I feel I might ge misrepresented for condemning terrible behaviour from a woman as a sexist, in actuality the principle of the condemnation is applied universally and the condemnation is against the bad people collective. Gender norms generally facilitate and foster those same groups, as generally the less intelligent a person is , the less self aware they are, the more they fall under cultural or societal influence and therefore become something categorical. Generally, if I would speak only for myself, when I make condemnations against a type of gender norm, it's indirectly targeted towards stupid people since intelligent people have the ability to supercede cultural influence. So, if I use a broad term like "women" under the topic of terrible people, I generally mean stupid people with female anatomy. But again, that's not to dismiss the existence of people who are basically misogynist, afterall there's more dumb people on planet earth than you or I could ever imagine, I would never willingly identify with those people. That's something I wish more women would do.

As a side note, I grew up in a very abusive home and it seems the female side of my family has herititary narcissism. Saying my mother, my sister, my aunts, or grandmas, were monsters would be an vast understatement. I think it's ridiculous that the existence of evil women is dismissed on the basic notion that everything is misogynistic, that archaic thinking belongs to the dark ages and has no place in a modern world. Growing up these people who did horrible wrongs were excused on account of being female, people literally said "Oh, but she's just a girl" or, "but she's your mother" or "she's a mother", "she's your sister" . I never associate the evil of these women with other women that do not do the same things as they do. It's not because they were women they were evil, it's because evil people exist and parasiticize everything they touch. Before any moral condemnation is made on a group, it has to start at good people vs bad people, it doesn't start at men vs women.

Anyways, interpret what you want and say what you feel. I know these things are too large of issues to encapsulate into sound bites and cliches, I'm not too concerned with covering every niche of context and don't care to extrapolate the epistemology behind something implicity vague.