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USA Georgia man who spent two decades in prison for double murder has charges dropped after DNA proves him innocent. He was convicted largely on the testimony of his ex-girlfriend’s mother.

furchfur

July 21, 2021

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Title	USA Georgia man who spent two decades in prison for double murder has charges dropped after DNA proves him innocent. He was convicted largely on the testimony of his ex-girlfriend’s mother.
Author	furchfur
Upvotes	1795
Comments	102
Date	July 21, 2021 8:43 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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Did you read the article? Innocent until proven guilty

Did you?

You can't throw someone in jail for perjury without any evidence of perjury.

Well they already did, as seen in the article.

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I did read the article before but you are right, I read it with a reactionary slant and made the assumption that he never said that. IF that was all she told the police and HE did actually say that to her then my comments were preemptive and unfair.

But the fact remains that her comments were largely to blame for his wrongful incarceration. So who is to blame? Surely you can't blame him for simply making comments when no actions were taken from those comments. IF she only reported what she heard without pushing the narrative any further then maybe she isn't to blame either. Is the justice system to blame? My opinion is probably yes. But again that isn't provable with the limited information we have. Allowing for assumptions though I can't help but feel the justice system would have been quick to throw the first man they could into jail without care for the truth and without investigating as thoroughly as the man deserved.

I will add however that if she in fact did lie or coerce my original statement still fully stands

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I'd also like to add, in case there is any confusion, that this has nothing to do with her being a woman (unless you maybe think they are more likely to listen to a woman which is a possibility). I would make the same comments about anyone if they had wrongfully contributed to someone's long term incarceration.

The justice system is to blame the most for not doing their job thoroughly and for handing out sentencing without any evidence. However we mustn't forget that without her testimony I'm guessing he wouldn't have gone to jail. It happens all too often that men are given unreasonable sentences without a decent investigation and trial. It would be something if this was a one off but we hear stories like this time and time again. My heart goes out to this man. His life has been stolen by an incompetent and corrupt system.

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I'll admit I haven't read through all the comments but I don't think people are particularly blaming her as a woman. But as someone that has purposely contributed to his life being ruined.

There may be an element of incredulity regarding the reaction to a woman's statement over a man's. Whilst that again would be speculation in this case, it is something I believe we see regularly. The law sides with women more than men from what I have read and experienced.

That aside, I don't think this is about gender blaming against women. It is about someone who has helped to incarcerate an innocent man and a reminder of the harsh world men have to live in especially when facing a corrupt system. (Not to say that women don't get wrongly imprisoned and unjustly treated but I fear the law is much harsher on men).

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There should be more if a focus on the justice system yes. But from the limited information we are given all we know is that her testimony led to his wrongful incarceration.

The comments I've read have seemed mostly valid but they should come with the proviso that they are only valid IF she purposefully or immorally led things to this situation. I'd say the same about the individual law enforcers that no doubt pushed and twisted the truth to fit a convenient narrative.

I agree however that there definitely should be more focus on the law over her. The fact that the hairs that exonerated him were found at the crime scene in a pair of glasses but simply not added to the evidence shows the manipulative way the law forced a wrongful conviction.

Addition: Looking back you could argue that the article is actually quite manipulative itself by mentioning her but barely anything about the failure of the system that put him there. More details are needed to truly know who is mostly to blame but I suspect a line will be drawn through the case now and all the true criminals will go without repercussion.

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What he actually said:

We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates.

He also said:

“Giuffre says she was directed to have sex with Minsky.” Given the circumstances, that implies she was coerced by Epstein into doing so.

We know that Giuffre was being coerced into sex—by Epstein. She was being harmed.

And,

(Now) Labor Secretary Acosta's plea deal for Jeffrey Epstein was not only extremely lenient, it was so lenient that it was illegal.

I wonder whether this makes it possible to resentence him to a longer prison term.

By contrast, calling him a “sex offender” tends to minimize his crimes, [...] I think the right term for a person such as Epstein is “serial rapist”.

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How is that? What in the world are you basing that off of?

Mostly looking at general business practices, looking at conversations within the third sector about this matter and watching the various ways the scores are gamed.

Also looking into cases where charities have gone wrong.

Ultimately though its just Goodhart's law.

You somehow think that an org with a lower program expense ratio ISN'T gaming the system and one with a high ratio IS?

I think an organisation that isn't gaming the system is going to have worse numbers than equiverlent organisation that is.

Very good numbers tend to either indicate that there is a problem or system gaming. Less good numbers tell you very little although it does leave open the possibility that the organisation is well run, honest and open.

Terrible numbers fairly obviously indicate that not only is there a problem but the people running the thing don't care.

Do you understand what program expenses are and what that encompasses?

Yes although I've seen some rather imaginative aproaches to the matter.

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