Every time a woman says, “I wish I could walk alone and not fear for my life” a man has to chime in and say “men are scared to do that, too.”
They don’t understand that it’s literally incomparable. They say it’s irrational and ridiculous that we feel our hearts racing and think of an exit plan when we’re walking somewhere alone at night and a lone man is walking close to us. They say they’re also scared of being attacked or raped just like us, as if they walk back to their cars with keys between their knuckles or look underneath their car to see if someone is going to slice their achilles and kidnap them. I am always on edge when I’m alone, and I just know men are not.
It makes me so mad that they think this is the same, that men are just as scared of other men as women are. I wish they knew what it felt like.
Edit to add: I’m not saying men can’t be scared to walk alone at night or that they are not likely to be victims of crime. However, anything a man is a scared of, a woman is scared of and then some. Men might be scared of being robbed, women are scared of being robbed and raped, etc. And let’s not forget catcalling and wondering how we’re going to react to it to best avoid being attacked, which men almost never face.
Idk how y’all can read any of the comments from women feeling the exact same and still message me telling me I need therapy for being anxious. And the comments from trans women are the best proof that this is valid and very enlightening.
[–]DavidByron2 177 points178 points179 points (12 children) | Copy Link
More likely to be the victim of almost every form of violent crime.
More likely to be the victim of almost all kinds of dangerous accidents.
More likely to contract almost all types of dangerous medical conditions, both mental and physical.
I'm sure it's a coincidence that for thousands of years women have been protected and men have been disposable. And until about 100-150 years ago women didn't live longer because of all this, since the dangers involved in child birth more or less balanced all that out.
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 50 points51 points52 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Regarding dangerous accidents, white men have the highest occupational fatality rate, and the 2nd highest occupational injury rate after Hispanic men.
[–]AG_N 18 points19 points20 points (0 children) | Copy Link
comment this there, i would but i am banned
[+]MsPrincessSophia -37 points-36 points-35 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Statistically mostly committed by other men though.
[–]Drippinice 36 points37 points38 points
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Ok? And statistically women are way more likely to abuse or murder children. Should we start a campaign to show how evil women are and keep them from their kids like feminists do with men?
[–]KobeBean 23 points24 points25 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the equivalent of saying “Statistically most crimes committed against black people are by black people”, which is true.
Are you ok with that statement? It doesn’t help anyone nor does it describe the root/structural cause of the discrepancies, racial or gendered.
[–]DavidByron2 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
bigot logic
[–]adityaism_ 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ofc you've got the princess in your name. This isn't FDS, this isn't r/teenagers and this isn't twitter. So pls flex your crown somewhere else!
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[–]DanGaming_Reddit 13 points14 points15 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Is that what you tell yourself when you support Male Genital Mutilation and Female Supremacy?
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[–]DanGaming_Reddit 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Girl, you need to stop playing the victim and get some perspective. Your ignorance isn't helping anyone.
[–]Greg_W_Allan 11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You forgot to take your tranquilizers again.
[+]ComeRightSteerCourse108 points [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link
They crazy thing about being a man is - I am 5'4 130 lbs right. But because I'm a man I'm 100% fair game. If I bruise someone's ego by sticking up for myself and get beat up it's "talk shit get hit" Neanderthal mentality. But when it.comes to women- Don't hit women because they are smaller and weaker.
The thing about being a man is, physical.violence is always a possibility. Women can often get away with pushing boundaries further.
[+]Bretty64 -31 points-30 points-29 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Physical violence is not always a possibility for males. In my nearly 60 years I’ve never hit someone or been hit. If violence is a constant threat to you I think that’s more about you and the people you associate with rather than your gender.
[–]bahoicamataru 25 points26 points27 points (1 child) | Copy Link
you probably live in a very nice place if you've never had to get into fights, or never gotten robbed/had someone/a group of people attempt robbery on you. not everyone is that lucky and a lot of kids are born into environments with higher rates of street violence. saying that "it's more about you and the prople you associate with" is just victim blaming.
[+]Bretty64 -11 points-10 points-9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t deny that I’m perhaps lucky. My point is “violence is always a possibility” is not the case just because you are a man. My comment is poorly worded, what I was trying to say the risk of violence might be environmental, it’s not ingrained due to gender. My guess is the number of men that consider violence “is always a possibility” is small.
[–]Rhum-runner 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
In my nearly 30 years I’ve been jumped and in two fist fights. In all three cases I had no idea who they were and they needlessly instigated me to defend myself.
[+]kuki88 -106 points-105 points-104 points (10 children) | Copy Link
You got it all wrong, my friend. Feminists don't want violence. That Neanderthal mentality that you mention is toxic masculinity and feminists are against it. That means that we as a society have to unlearn some stuff like that and be better towards ourselves and towards others.
[–]Angryasfk 41 points42 points43 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? What about the “you go girl” when a girl hits her bf? Or the demands women be put into combat positions?
In any case this is a comment on a feminist claiming it’s rubbish that men are as afraid of being attacked as women. Yet men have more reason to fear violent attack as they’re much more likely to be a victim of it. But apparently that went straight over your head.
[–]Greg_W_Allan 24 points25 points26 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Pull the other one. They're quite happy for any number of boys and men to be subjected to violence. The believe their own "fear" of things which may never happen should be prioritised over the actual safety of children and men.
They are the most cowardly creatures to ever walk the face of the planet and are doing everything they can to frighten the bejesus out of all other women.
[–]kuki88 -3 points-2 points-1 points (3 children) | Copy Link
What are you on about? What's cowardly about feminists? Do you know that 97% of women were sexually harassed? So you think that's unimportant? And what do you even mean over the actual safety of children of men- how are feminists putting children and men in unsafe positions?
[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Male victims of child sexual abuse were excluded from taxpayer funded services at the behest of feminists for decades. Thousands have committed suicide.
Those responsible will never cleanse the blood from their hands.
[–]kuki88 -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
That sounds horrifying. Any actual evidence of that?
[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, two royal commissions.
[–]YourFavouriteGuy 29 points30 points31 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"toxic masculinity" is not applicable, he could hit a woman and get knocked out and that would still be okay. Either way Neanderthal mentality is nothing to do with toxic masculinity, it's just normal for men to protect themselves. Not toxic at all.
Actually no, scrap that, "toxic masculinity" is applicable nowhere, because masculinity can't be toxic. The fact that you even called masculinity toxic just shows you're a fucking loser.
>Feminists don't want violence
Feminists don't care when a man is a victim of violence, so I call bullshit, STFU
[–]goronslime 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you dropped your /s
[–]DistrictAccurate 62 points63 points64 points (2 children) | Copy Link
That post, considering the amount of ignorance and denial one has to invest to believe men would not be more violent and especially deadly towards men for being men, may be one of the worst I've come across yet. It is one thing to say all men bad, but another to just completely turn reality on its head in order to dismiss the suffering they had to go through. Not just the deadly additional misandristic suffering, but even equal suffering at all. It is crazy to believe that that is actually a serious post.
Being a man feels like thousands of additional deaths every year:
"Therefore, in the US in 2018 men within the given categories (outside of the home etc.):
Seeing these numbers, it is questionable if women being allowed rational risk tolerance because they are valued (i.e. being afraid to walk home), being taught protective behaviors (i.e. taking precautionary measures), women receiving extensive specific self-defense training whilst provided more protection by people walking them home, phone services, bystanders and law enforcement are actually an argument for the existence of misogyny - as it is presented - or misandry. If women are afraid that men will kill them, they might want to think about whether being a man would help with that."
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/nyfq94/data_from_the_national_violent_death_reporting/
[–]bahoicamataru 23 points24 points25 points (1 child) | Copy Link
women are more neurotic than men on average by a significant margin, that's why they are paranoid, plain and simple. feelings don't care about facts.
[–]Punder_man 49 points50 points51 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Well seeing as how the statistics show that men are more likely to be victims of violent crimes would mean that Men have a legitimate reason to be afraid of walking by themselves at night.
But clearly most men can rationally justify that even though they are more likely to be the victim of a mugging, assault or other violent crimes they don't allow that fear to control them or stop them from doing things.
As a man if i'm out walking around at night i'm hyper vigilant.. I don't have earphones in my ears, music blaring and i'm not staring at my phone as i'm walking.. i'm keeping my head on a swivel and making sure i'm aware of who is around me at any given time.
I'm making sure to travel the more lit roads / roads with more traffic passing through them to decrease the risk of me being attacked.
Anyone who is literally so scared to be on their own at night that it causes them to lock up / not be able to do what they need to do NEEDS to get counseling.. because most rational people can understand that there's a risk but that you have the ability to mitigate those risks.
[–]peter_venture 50 points51 points52 points (4 children) | Copy Link
If you read the original post, so many say that yes, men are attacked more, but because we go out at all times in all places. Classic victim blaming. We're out there because we have to be. We have jobs and responsibilities. We don't have the option of staying in. We can't afford, neither financially nor emotionally, to be too afraid to go out. Someone has to do it.
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[–]peter_venture 13 points14 points15 points (2 children) | Copy Link
They're doing nothing of the sort. Their whole premise is that the world is a sinister dangerous place for women, but for men it's a walk in the park. Men have nothing to fear, and that's why we venture out at all hours. Women have to fear everything and men blithely ignore it. That's their viewpoint anyway. We know how wrong they are.
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[–]peter_venture 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not the one assuming. I know women can be traumatized. The original post is saying men can't be, or at least don't experience the same thing. Is it okay for them to assume mens experiences? No it's not, and yet here we are.
If you read carefully you'll see that all I'm saying is to not assume that women are the only ones living this. Don't make it a competition. But if men say anything then they are derailing the conversation. No, men are joining the conversation, where they have a right to be.
[–]Clockw0rk 38 points39 points40 points (0 children) | Copy Link
More paranoid sexist bullshit from the neurotic minds of TwoX.
Into the trash it goes.
[–]EricAllonde 30 points31 points32 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I always say: "Feminism is an ideology based entirely on feelings. Facts don't matter to feminists, especially if those facts contradict their feelings".
Lo and behold: that thread is full of feminists dismissing the fact that men are much more often the victims of violence than women are. Men are therefore at greater risk of violence and have more reason to be afraid, yet the feminists are all chanting in unison, "The facts don't matter, it's totally different just because".
And of course no thread of 2X would be complete without plenty of feminist dogma and man-hating:
So, the problem of women's irrational and unwarranted fear is due to the patriarchy myth, which feminists love to use as their all-purpose boogeyman.
But remember: feminists don't hate men, OK? I have no idea where people picked up that false idea.
1) No one is "shielding" boys from periods. There's simply no need for boys to be intimately acquainted with a bodily function that doesn't affect them. Boys know that women have periods and that they affect women's horomones, moods etc. But smearing yourself in period blood and getting in boy's/men's faces as some sort of protest accomplishes nothing.
2) I agree though that boys should be more aware that
womenfeminists have an irrational & unjustified fear of rape. Boys need to know that feminists will use their made-up fears as justification for trying to strip men of legal rights such as the presumption of innocence and right to a fair trial, so that as men they will be prepared to oppose that before it's too late.There's SO much man-hating in that thread, but it's entirely par for the course in that sub.
[–]EricAllonde 41 points42 points43 points (20 children) | Copy Link
"Men are actually at much greater risk of violence than women".
Feminists: "Yes, but that's because men choose to go into risky situations, like walking the streets alone at night. Their choices create their risk of violence, so it's their own fault".
"Well, more than half of reported rapes on campus are because women choose to get drunk and then they, and their (also drunk) male partners, make choices they wouldn't have made if they were sober. Their choices create their risk of rape, so..."
Feminists: "How DARE you victim-blame women!!! Women are NEVER to blame for a crime committed against them, regardless of their choices! It's ALWAYS the perpetrator's fault and ONLY the perpetrator's fault!"
If it wasn't for double standards, feminists would have no standards at all.
[+]Bretty64 -11 points-10 points-9 points (19 children) | Copy Link
Hold up mate, women don’t get raped because they get drunk. Women are raped because their attacker didn’t have consent.
[–]AdityaGutpa 11 points12 points13 points (17 children) | Copy Link
Actually they meant that when both people are drunk, no one is in their senses and neither have the means to give consent. So usually when the women wakes up, she thinks she got raped as she has no idea why she is in bed with a random guy
[+]Bretty64 -6 points-5 points-4 points (16 children) | Copy Link
If they are both drunk amd there is no consent it's rape. The same way we don't accept drunkenness as an excuse for a motor vehicle accident, being drunk isn't an excuse for not obtaining consent.
[–]EricAllonde 9 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
When both of them are drunk, then who raped who?
Why do you automatically assume the drunk male raped the drunk female, instead of the reverse?
Sexist much?
[–]Bretty64 -5 points-4 points-3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn't mention gender anywhere mate, I think its you that might be sexist.
[–]Eoasap 6 points7 points8 points (13 children) | Copy Link
you're right. the woman is guilty of raping the man, Or do you think only men are required to get consent, and women can do whatever they want??
if 2 people get drunk, they're both equally responsible. Either they both were raped or no one was
[–]Bretty64 1 point2 points3 points (12 children) | Copy Link
No, if there is a rape the fault is with the party that didn't have consent, drunkeness is not relevant. Don't put words in my mouth. My point is that being drunk is not a defence to not obtaining consent.
[–]suzuki1369 4 points5 points6 points (11 children) | Copy Link
So if they are both drunk, did they rape each other?
[–]Bretty64 0 points1 point2 points (10 children) | Copy Link
What? Being drunk doesn’t define rape. If one party doesn’t consent then it’s rape, just take alcohol out of the equation, it’s irrelevant.
[–]adityaism_ 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Who's consent would you take into account if both were drunk?
[–]Bretty64 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Repeat, drunkenness is irrelevant. I didn’t think this is a difficult concept.
[–]suzuki1369 1 point2 points3 points (6 children) | Copy Link
So it isn't rape if one person is drunk and the other isn't? Not to the point of passing out, but still drunk. You seem to be going back and forth and changing your ideas
[–]Bretty64 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
No, I think I’m being pretty clear. Drunkenness isn’t relevant, if one doesn’t consent then it’s rape.
[–]AR12PleaseSaveMe 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re not getting the point of his comment.
[–]DIES-_-IRAE 41 points42 points43 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The ignorance.
The arrogance.
The entitlement.
I'd expect nothing less from feminists.
Why are we even giving these people the time of day again?
[–]Cordero_Biggs 24 points25 points26 points (1 child) | Copy Link
There sure is a lot of talk over there, that would make you think that they have a full understanding of how the male psyche works, yet at the same time act completely clueless on how to difuse and de-escalate, in the rare instance that they might be approached with less than honorable intentions.
Last lurkers, I'll let you in a a secret. We're just as scared. We worry just as much, and we watch just as hard.
I'm 6' 220 lbs, have trained in martial arts for over 20 years and carry a pistol, with which I am very well trained and proficient. I'm still extremely vigilant and aware of everyone around me, when I'm out at night. I park under street lights, and begin watching my vehicle for movement or anything out of the ordinary, long before reaching it and avoid situations where potential for an altercation is possible. Especially when our children are with us, which is more than you'll willingly admit, because I'm betting you see as as deadbeats, along with being murderous, raping, animals with no regard for anything but our instinct to plunge our scary penises into you.
We can still be overpowered and hurt. Not just robbed, as you claim is our worry; but killed.
I also notice that not one comment on that post speaks of worry for your children. Are you merely worried for yourself and your flower (which is apparently golden)?
[–]GivePuppiesBazookas 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
One of the absolute most annoying and brain dead things they do, constantly. So much knowing what men think, want, will do, even our experiences, but holy shit, don't you dare just point out an observation of a woman because you're a man so you don't know.
[–]MyBlades 21 points22 points23 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm amazed how women will counter any argument about men also having it tough with "you don't know what having it though is, it is us who have it bad, but you wouldn't know because you're not a woman", without seeing any irony in it, which is funny in it's own right, but then they will go and outright state that they have more intimate understanding of male experience than actual men themselves, which is, honestly, I don't even know how to feel about it.
[–]yoitsericc 17 points18 points19 points (0 children) | Copy Link
More likely to be a victim of violent crime is irrelevant.
What's relevant is we are living in a feminine primary social order where only females are worth protecting and only female pain is recognized.
[–]DisillusionedSoul 15 points16 points17 points (1 child) | Copy Link
That reddit page is just toxic.
[–]FartyMcShitFace 13 points14 points15 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, half of these kinds of feminists posts are just from people with neurotic personality disorders. The statistics are available to anyone with an internet connection: in almost every country in the world, men make up the vast majority of murder victims, on top of being the vast majority of violent crime victims. For all intents and purposes, men should be the ones who feel unsafe walking at night.
She says it's incomparable. Yes, it is. A population who makes up 20% of the victims of a certain crime taking over the discussion on that crime, making it gendered, and shouting men out of it is someone who has failed to compare problems faced by men and women.
Despite these hard facts staring her in the face, this dumb cunt has the audacity to shriek about how she just can't stand men who bring it up. It's as if she's just so totally exhausted with men who are tired of having a significantly greater chance of dying earlier in life, and that they should be more sensitive to her feelings.
[–]almostdedxd 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
most victims of murder are men
most victims of homicide are men
more men die than women
men can get raped too, yeah if i'm walking through a dark alley in the bad part of time, i'm sure as hell scared of getting robbed and raped
[–]EviessVeralan 9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Its absolutely disgusting that so many people think that men being concerned for safety has to be some kind of pissing contest about who is the biggest victim.
What kind of psychopath does one have to be to hear "Im concerned about my wellbeing and safety too" and take it as some kind of personal attack?
[–]John-Walker-1186 7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I've said it before and I say it again: you must ignore that sub. it is full of looneys who dont live in the real world. Out there such people either dont exist or are shunned. Remember, reddit/twitter live in their own reality. They're a loud minority at best.
[–]Greg_W_Allan 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Concurrent reality...when the vast majority of boys and men are that "lone man" women are likely to be safer than they would be otherwise. Many of the ideological types seem to resent this.
[–]jorgedmundo 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know why this kind of posts make me feel like some kind of monster. Or guilt for being a man and not being able to understand how much women suffer. I mean, I also feel afraid, I am also a human being. I am also vulnerable. Is it because that I am a man that it doesn’t matter or because I am a man and stronger so I can “protect” myself.
Sorry for the rant.
[–]Luchadorgreen 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
“I hate that I don’t get to be centered as the star victim for every societal ill.”
[–]Drippinice 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The fuck is with that post? One thousand comments supporting blatant sexism and treating men as others. I feel like there is no hope
[–]AbysmalDescent 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This woman clearly has some pretty serious mental issues that she should be addressing or seeing a psychiatrist for. It's not normal to be that scared of something so rare. It would be like refusing to go outside on a sunny day and then crying sexism because of the chance she might be hit by lightning. It is irrational and unnatural. What's worse, however, is that she is trying to use this irrational fear to justify misandry, not just from herself but encouraging it in other women. It's also worth noting that a man with these types of irrational fears(or at least that can't control them and keep them to himself) would not only be shamed, demasculinized and belittled for it but would actively be treated as a dangerous man and a threat to others/himself. But, because she's a woman, she gets to have her irrational fears and prejudices consoled or validated.
It also demonstrates a very strong lack of understanding for what men experience and what men experience. Men already leave the house ready to fight for their lives if they have to. Not just from other violent or deranged individuals who are being violent for the sake of violence but from individuals who are violent on the behalf of women. Neither of whom have no personal reservations targeting men in the most extreme and brutal ways possible.
Men aren't just scared of being robbed, they are scared of being robbed and then killed in their own homes. That's not even going into the level of shaming that would take place on that man, should he fail to defend his home, or the fact that men could certainly have to worry about police intervention as well. Not only could they just as easily be perceived as the assailants because they are male but they could certainly be subject to being targeted by the police for being male as well(Even something like "swatting" would disproportionally target men).
[–]vwatchrepair 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
What they "feel" is more important than what actually happens. Hilarious.
[–]Huge_Examination1577 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
True.
Scared AF when i'm alone but i don't express it . instead i pay more attention to surroundings more than usual and be prepared for the worst.
[–]yodreadd -2 points-1 points0 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Why is it so hard to fight for men's rights and at the same time accept that women are more fearful than we are? Not everything is a competition, fellas.
[–]suzuki1369 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"Women are scared to walk alone at night"
"Men are also scared"
"Women are more scared"
And somehow we made it a competition.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Adhering to emotional dictatorship by hateful and sexist women? Like thats gonna happen.
We don't care and won't follow what they tell us to feel. Our thoughts, our mind, our choice.
[–]bahoicamataru 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are naturally more neurotic/paranoid, and this thread shows that pretty well.
[–]cuuboid 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Could it be, that you are just a pussio
More afraid of does not mean more likely to
[–]Agirlformensright 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
But women have to be so much more afraid!!
[–]Theraria 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Probably going to get banned but I offered her a polite response with a couple links to back it up.
Hopefully someone at least will read it and see we're all in the interstella boat together....
[+]somilsharma8 -25 points-24 points-23 points (27 children) | Copy Link
Yes, a violent crime most likely caused by another man. Fucking idiots😂😂😂
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[–]somilsharma8 -4 points-3 points-2 points (10 children) | Copy Link
'as strong as men like Hollywood shows' XD Did you mean to say "unlike" hollywood shows?? Oh my fucking god XD It's a shame to identify as a man for me, knowing illiterate dweebs like you are spewing literal horseshit on the internet XD
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[–]somilsharma8 0 points1 point2 points (8 children) | Copy Link
Only an idiot would try and explain the dumbest argument in the world for a second time, instead of seeing the blatant grammatical error they made which practically conveyed the opposite meaning of what they wanted to say. I literally had to decode the right meaning of your "insult" because you couldn't even land the insult correctly.
Also, is your entire life revolving around escaping facts you can't grasp by making "oh women representation is killing my soul", you dick-less piece of shit XD
Please describe how to feel sorry for men being more likely to be victims of a violent crime, when almost all these violent crimes are being committed by men themselves? XD Are you silently agreeing that men are the most idiotic species to ever exist because they commit violent crimes against themselves because it's either that or being a simp??? XD XD XD
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[–]somilsharma8 1 point2 points3 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah, I believe you live your life in extremes then. Either this person cries for men dying because men kill themselves, or they are enslaved by women. Either I'll be a simp, or an illiterate douchey douche who doesn't even understand that I'm actually contradicting myself on the internet. XD
Alright, women are weak so they don't commit crimes, I'll humor your logic for a brief second. So you're saying, committing crimes is a very manly thing and men only do it. Then why the fuck do you feel sorry for being a man when killing yourselves is basically a part of your job description? You should be happy that manly men are killing other manly men because it's probably the most manly thing to do. I'm happy that men are strong and brainless and kill each other. Genuinely makes the world less shitty.
So you agree with me right? It's a good thing men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime as they commit these crimes against themselves? Self harm + no-brain = manliness? Must be fun being a right wing man who simply can't get laid. Or live for too long apparently XD XD XD
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[–]somilsharma8 1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Cry baby, listen, I'm enjoying tearing your ass apart here! This is golden comedy material for me, trust me when I say while you type illegible (google the word for it's meaning) arguments, that are literally contradicting everything you're trying to say one post prior cause you're butt hurt, all it's doing for me is making my day XD XD
Why don't you try to stick with one logic instead of evading when you can't explain? Let me come back to the subject, you started from a place where you feel sorry for men more likely to be victims of violent crimes right? I asked you well how do you feel when almost all of those violent crimes are committed by men against each other? Then you said women are weak and it's manly to commit crimes. And I asked if that's so, do you agree men are the dumber species that's actually mentally ill and suicidal for killing their own kind because it's manly.
And to that you shifted your focus to conservative women because you feel those are the only women brain-washed enough to touch your bacteria-ridden genitals. It's like, every time you speak, you base your entire existence and personality around either feminist women (which you hate the most) or conservative women (which you love). Are you a simp or something because all I see is a man, evading a discussion around men and how men kill each other in large numbers then cry for being victims of violent crimes. Why don't you want to talk about being a man with me simp, can't you stop talking about women and have an intellectual argument for once in your life? XD XD XD
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[–]WorthlessPeritsi 5 points6 points7 points (8 children) | Copy Link
That's victim blaming.
[–]somilsharma8 -5 points-4 points-3 points (7 children) | Copy Link
So if men are the violent aggressor, harassing/killing other men in almost every case, isn't it also victim blaming for a man to say I feel bad that men are the most common victims of violent crimes because you're directly/indirectly blaming other men for doing it to you (statistically speaking)? 😂😂
[–]WorthlessPeritsi 4 points5 points6 points (6 children) | Copy Link
How is that victim blaming? I'm not "blaming other men".
It is clear victim-blaming to lack sympathy for a victim of a crime simply because their perpetrator was a part of the same demographic, of some kind. Do you blame George Floyd for his death?
[–]somilsharma8 -2 points-1 points0 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Well, George Floyd was killed by coppers so I blame the violent institution which we call police, regardless of the gender identities of its members.
But since you're making an argument which is grounded in the gender of the victim being "male", I'm simply stating a fact on the same grounds that the gender of the aggressor/harassor/oppressor/criminal is almost always male as well, especially in the scenario mentioned here, i.e. violent crimes. All I'm doing is playing by the rules established by the poster. And you.
[–]WorthlessPeritsi 5 points6 points7 points (4 children) | Copy Link
George Floyd was killed by a man. Be consistent and laugh at him too.
Why are you still victim blaming? The OP was made in response to gendered, hierarchical victimhood.
[–]somilsharma8 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
By a man who was a cop (read as pig). So even if you say Floyd was killed by another man, my argument still holds true. I'm just giving you more insight into the layered nature of the crime committed against George Floyd, since we all know it wasn't a one off incident. And when you say death of George Floyd, you're not attributing a gender to it. In fact, bringing in just the gender would then make for an incomplete argument in that case. But that's irrelevant to this post.
And I agree with you. The OP responded to an already gendered post, revolving around male victims not getting enough attention. Which I agree with, especially in the case of sexual violence. I think physically violent crimes (barring sexual ones) do get plenty attention simply cause such headlines draw more attention.
But the OP's gendered addition on the existing argument, stating that men are more likely to be victims of a violent crime than women, in an attempt to gain sympathy specifically for men, is an incorrect and incomplete argument. You want to gain sympathy for men being victims while foreshadowing the fact that they're also the aggressors/perpetrators is just ignorant and factually incorrect. It also does more harm only to men, no one else. Because you might be able to generate a misunderstood sense of sympathy amongst a certain group of people, but you're not even figuring out the root of the problem. Which happens to be your own gender and it's beliefs.
On the other hand, if you wish to get to the roots of how men end up being by far the largest perpetrators in the crime sagainst their own gender (and others), you won't be able to do that while being a "Men's Rights Activist" sadly.
[–]WorthlessPeritsi 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
If people are to take you seriously, be consistent. Either take back your original comment, or admit that you blame George Floyd for his own death simply for the crime of being a man (and doing male things, presumably) which you say you don't. There was no "layer" in what you originally said.
If the OP is responding to a gendered argument, he cannot make a gendered addition, it's already there. He responded to emotional victimhood and manipulation with a short and simple reality check. And you're victim blaming yet again, and more explicitly this time, with your "root of the problem...your own gender and it's [sic] beliefs." comment.
Why do you blame men (except George Floyd, you don't want to be a bigot) for what happens to them?
[–]somilsharma8 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you're having difficulty reading what's been written. I'll reiterate, but let me know if any language other than English works for you as well, I know a couple.
When YOU typed about "George Floyd's murder", you didn't attach the word "man/men" anywhere near it. Because you'd be even stupider than you are for not getting my point after three long explanations, if you did gender that incident. So that's about George Floyd, or any other black person subjected to pig (read as police) brutality in US of A. Context matters, right? You didn't attach a gender to that argument or its context. So why would I? I'm playing by YOUR rules.
And I didn't say that the OP gendered an already gendered post. I merely stated that they're trying to generate a misguided sense of sympathy by adding a factually incorrect/incomplete argument. You want to feel sad SPECIFICALLY for men being victims of violent crimes, while ignoring how men are SPECIFICALLY the largest contributors/enactors of that crime. Who said I'm blaming men for what happens to them. I'm simply pointing the stats to you. The stats (read as reality) state that men cause most crimes that happen to them.
I'm sorry to break your bubble but can't generate misguided sympathy just cause you find it difficult to face the reality.
[–]WorthlessPeritsi 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You're not speaking English. You're speaking word salad (like lying that you "didn't say that the OP gendered an already gendered post" and also going on to accuse him of that, again, anyway, as an example).
You are still victim blaming. The "stat" you're "pointing" out is victim blaming. Why are you still blaming men for what happens to them? You've said already that, "Yes, a violent crime [is] most likely caused by another man. Fucking idiots". And that the "root of the problem" is your own gender and it's beliefs". But now you've added "The stats (read as reality) state that men cause most crimes that happen to them.". So much for context. And no babbling about "YOUR rules" (what?) or "attach[ing] the word man" excuses this.
You shouldn't victim blame.
[–]EMPIREVSREBLES 3 points4 points5 points (5 children) | Copy Link
And child abuse is most likely cause by a mother, and crimes are most likely cause by black people. What are the chances your dumb ass would say this shit to other people?
[–]somilsharma8 -2 points-1 points0 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Hate to break it to you but child abuse is not most likely, but factually perpetrated by men in a far more significant percentage than it is by mothers/women specifically. I wish you educated yourself a little before posting (then again, you wouldn't be a part of this community if that were the case so I understand).
Secondly, to answer your question, if someone was to say to me that percentage of a black person to be a criminal is higher than that of a white person, let's say, I would simply point towards the statistics of systemic oppression that clearly demystify literally everything. From legal institutions, to work places, to violent institutions like police/military to education institutes and distribution of wealth as well.
Boy I will hit your ass so hard with numbers that you'd end up wishing you took maths more seriously.
Also, just Google the fucking stats next time before making a factually incorrect argument, only cause you're scared facts will break your pathetic bubble. Ignorant piece of shit. 😂😂😂
[–]EMPIREVSREBLES 3 points4 points5 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Here's my "education" you speak of. An easy Google search can get you most of these
71% of children killed by one parent are killed by their mothers
Child Maltreatment 2013 pg. 49 (This is a pdf file you have to download) Clearly shows that mothers, female foster parents, and female legal guardians are more like to abuse the child.
Child Maltreatment FACTS at a glance by the CDC themselves shows that 54% of perpetrators were women and 45% were men in 2014 (This one is also a download)
The only differences is that men were more likely to physically abuse and even then women were closely behind. You are the ignorant piece of shit.
[–]somilsharma8 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
So let's get into your "education" shall we?
Right, the first website looks like a kid from 8th grade designed it in 2011. And the most recent data it accredited belongs to the year 2006 (that too just one). Every other stat is from 2003 or before.
Second, the pdf. When we speak of abuse in the context of the post mentioned here, I assumed that you were referring to physical abuse or sexual assault. Nonetheless, the only numbers where mothers are ahead of "men" is CHILD NEGLECT. You very cunningly didn't care to mention that as per your own PDF, men are ahead of women in all forms of physical abuse. For instance, quoting YOUR SOURCES, percentage of men causing psychological maltreatment and sexual abuse against kids are : 68 and 88 percent!!!!! Holy shit, did you just prove me right 😂😂😂😂😂😂
So I maintain my stand, all thanks to you and your eDuCaTiOn, you're an ignorant piece of shit.
Again, at least fucking fact check yourself before posting comments man. I'm genuinely embarrassed for you. Didn't mean to go so hard to be honest, but you did this to yourself 😂😂😂😂😂
[–]DarkMindwithReason 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Can you shut the fuck up.
[–]somilsharma8 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
😂😂😂😂😂😂
[+]UnconventionalXY -11 points-10 points-9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is not a numbers game: abuse affects everyone and needs to be tackled as such; enough of the sexual discrimination already.
Deterrents don't work because we fail to understand and address the causes of abuse and the nature of abuse.
It's pretty crazy that a sex act or sexual approach, that is normally welcomed as a desirable experience, changes to a punishable crime based on the subjective feelings of a woman towards the "perpetrator" at that moment. The mechanism hasn't changed, only the womans perspective. Thus this was never about sexuality itself, but about the broader issue of autonomy and personal choice in deciding what we want and when we want it in relationship to other people.
Nevertheless, I think the public refuses to accept the fundamental dilemma inherent in the male sex drive against the right of a woman to choose when she has sex and with whom. The two are simply incompatible, except when both are trying for a child. I think we need to acknowledge this basic conflict and address it by ensuring options are available for men to express surplus sexuality (via prostitution and the ability to have consensual sex with anyone without societal restraint).
I believe that the majority of abuses are a result of male sexual frustration, because their options for free and unfettered sexual expression are limited and curtailed by the choices of someone else. We do not accept women's sexuality to be regulated by men according to men's wishes, so why do we accept men's sexuality being regulated by women according to women's wishes?
The answer isn't for men to force their unmet wishes on women, but for society to ensure men have options to be satisfied enough that they don't need to abuse to get their needs met.
I think this principle is much wider than sexuality and cuts to the heart of gender expression: people need the freedom and options to be able to express who they are without it being curtailed by or impacting on the specific expressions of others. In other words, men need the opportunity to express themselves as men and women as women without making demands of the other during times of incongruency.
I think it is no longer appropriate for women to be maintained as a protected group, but for society to ensure, as much as possible, that the environment contributing to women needing to be protected is changed, not by further curtailing men, but satisfying their needs. I also think women need to learn to no longer be perpetual victims.
[+]JixnuCabeldar -11 points-10 points-9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Perhaps they are. But bear in mind that those crimes are committed by other men 99% of the time.
[–]EMPIREVSREBLES 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay. Bear in mind that mothers are statistically more likely to abuse and kill their children. Bear in mind black people are more likely to commit crimes. I bet you'll never see or say this shit to someone else would you?
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But do you fear being attacked?
[–]Jakeybaby125 26 points27 points28 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. Everyone does ffs
[–]DistrictAccurate 17 points18 points19 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Are men allowed to fear being attacked and voice or otherwise show that fear without serious consequences? Last time I checked me walking the girl home and then going alone was simply expected. Non-conformity in general may raise the chances of victimization even further.
Most men who are not afraid were simply never educated on these numbers and internalized societies misandristic and at times violent socialization on which carefully chosen human characteristics a "real man" is allowed to keep or express in what way and situation. A rational amount of fear wasn't one of those. In fact, cowardly conduct in presence of the enemy is still punishable by death according to US criminal codes https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/899.
Additionally, we have to separate these issues. You can't call violence the issue and then switch to fear once you realize that violence is actually an issue favoring women. For men, the issue is violence, murder and so on. The numbers of murder victims and countless other aspects from assistance to guilt attribution are gendered and make it a blatant example of misandristicly influenced behaviors.
Apart from that, the post tied fear to actual risk - see the edit. Men do get raped at comparable rates even if you use the still gendered "rape + made to penetrate" statistic that includes women pentrated by objects like dildos but not men made to penetrate fleshlight or anything else. Obviously looking at 12 month prevalence as lifetime is less relevant for current day risk. You should use multiple of these surveys over multiple years though - like 2010 and 2015. One year its more men, one year more women - normal fluctuations. Men will die to arguments, random violence, jealousy far more often. 7 times as often to strangers and outside or their home or residence.
If women's issue is being more afraid of something they are less affected by then that is definitely not an example of sexism against women. Quite the opposite, as it is concerning when men value their life so little that despite their considerably higher chances they fear losing it less.
[–]Eastuss -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol at the trans people in that thread saying "they get it now", because they went from man-level insecurity to gay-man-level insecurity, which both are higher than women's.
[–]PigTenis -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
This sub looks like fun.
I think Ill join it and see how it goes.
Edit, im trying to read the new posts in an effort to join into an honest debate but this shit is unreadable. I can see them use english words but fuck, its gibberish. I regret the day I added it to my feed.