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The men’s health gap: men must be included in the global health equity agenda - WHO

Memey-McMemeFace

October 28, 2020
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https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/92/8/13-132795/en/
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Title The men’s health gap: men must be included in the global health equity agenda - WHO
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Memey-McMemeFace

Upvotes 1120
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Date October 28, 2020 3:33 AM UTC
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[–]GalileosTele 190 points191 points192 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Don’t get your hopes up. The UN openly states that women living longer is “natural” in order to dismiss global differences in life expectancy favoring women in their official measures of gender inequality . In fact it’s actually possible for women to not out live men by “enough”, so that even though they live longer, they are still counted as disadvantaged compared to men with regards to life expectancy. Seriously.

[–]AleksandrNevsky 69 points70 points71 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So did they just take an outcome and assume that was the "natural" state of things. Or did I miss more of it?

[–]Maldevinine 70 points71 points72 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There is actually a study on cloistered monks and nuns in Europe (I think it was German) which is the best possible baseline data seeing as it's two very similar groups with very similar lifestyles and the only difference being gender. The nuns outlive the monks by 1 year on average.

So yes, women outliving men is natural, but by such a small amount it's practically a measurement error.

[+]nerfblab1 points 5 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you remember what the study was called? Or do you have a reference?

[–]Maldevinine 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Catherine_Bowen2/publication/278677161_The_Relationships_between_Longevity_and_Different_Dimensions_of_Health_Findings_from_the_Cloister_Study/links/5582ef1008aefa35fe30b087/The-Relationships-between-Longevity-and-Different-Dimensions-of-Health-Findings-from-the-Cloister-Study.pdf

This is actually quite a pretty overview. Sadly it doesn't have the life expectancy numbers on it.

[–]i_hate_mayonnaise 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why would they do that?

[–]wrekd 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Caring for women brings positive thoughts and money. Caring for men brings ridicule and talks of misogyny and defunding.

[–]Fathers4Justice 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Caring for women is not only in the male DNA, it is also so deeply embedded in every facet of society that men who do truly believe that, 'Equal Means Equal' are frowned upon for believing what females have demanded for the last 60 years, Equality.

[–]fuzzy_bunnyx 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because of the economy. Men pay net taxes and them dying sooner, especially before retirement is a loss for the economy and consequently taxes.

[–]ArneRosc 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey I just saw your video yesterday, really insightfull.

[–]GalileosTele 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why thank you sir (or miss)!

[–]marcopolio1 -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s actually a naturally occurring phenomenon across many mammalian species. Female chimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans, and gibbons also consistently outlive their male counterparts. There are many theories as to why this happens but no one knows for sure. For example, testosterone could play a role. Menstruation could play a role in keeping women alive longer. Height could play a role as taller people have more cells and more opportunities for mutations and on avg men are taller than women. I wouldn’t say this is a purposeful tactic of the UN to create gender inequality but simply a scientific question that has yet to be answered but is currently being investigated. If it were a gender inequality thing then I suppose it wouldn’t happen in other species no? Unless there’s a gorilla gender war I haven’t heard of.

[–]GalileosTele 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Most war deaths are men, most draftees are men, most people who die at work are men, most people who do health destroying jobs are men, most homeless are men, most unarmed victims of police shootings are men, most homicide victims are men, most suicides are men, most humanitarian aid goes to women, most health related resources (both private and from the government) go to women, the US for example has about 10 federal bureaus of women’s health plus all the state bureaus and literally 0 for men. It even has one for female veterans, and none for male veterans, despite 99% of war casualties being men. State funding for cancers affecting women is more than double that of funding for men, despite men being more likely to get cancer and die if they get it. And it’s even worse with private funding. All these things are societal, and until they are equal, lower male life expectancy cannot be laid at the feet of nature.

And even if all those things were equalized and it were conclusively shown that it is simply biology that is responsible, the correct response is to allocate special aid to help men. Death and health complications due to childbirth are also natural. We don’t just throw up our hands and say “tough luck ladies, it’s natural”, we allocate special resources to women to try to minimize this natural harm affecting them.

And if that weren’t enough, the kicker is, when determining gender equality, the UN puts the largest weight on maternal childbirth mortality rate, to the point that that factor completely dominates their metric, despite it being entirely natural. So clearly they are willing and expect societies to do everything it can to combat natural inequalities. So writing off lower male life expectancy as natural is at best extremely disingenuous of them.

[–]ThatGuyYouKnowkappa 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

most draftees are men

And in the US, only men are drafted.

[–]ProtectIntegrity 138 points139 points140 points 5 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

This is the same organization actively promoting the mutilation of males.

Male circumcision for HIV prevention

Male circumcision for HIV prevention: publications

The reality is that circumcision isn't beneficial.

[–]Xerontitan90 36 points37 points38 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

WHO is now run by leftist SJWs.

[–]fcwhiskard 24 points25 points26 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Totalitarian enthusiasts.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lucis Trust cult members. Not a theory, once you do the research. Hammerskold and U Thant channelled a Tibetan ghost, and openly said so.
Alice Bailey's "Education in the New Age" is eye opening. Julian Huxley's founding document for UNESCO is also quite chilling. Julian Huxley UNESCO, will bring it right up.

[–]nourjen -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not run by leftist SJWs. It run by liberals and neo-liberals who are right-wing.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And their recent Cannabis in Africa project was urging every African leader to jail as many men in their hellish torture dungeon prisons, for weed, as they can. I can't link a PDF in this phone. Cannabis Africa UN, and it pops right up.

[–]StripedFalafel 63 points64 points65 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It's good that they are prepared to recognise the problem. But:

- They admit the UN isn't doing anything about it.

- The only causes they are prepared to consider are those that fit into the feminist mythology that it's men's own fault. They don't, for example, consider the fact that there is much more spent on women's health than men's by governments, the UN & even charities like the Gates foundation. Australia seems to be one of the least bad places. But even here, there is much more money spent on women than men - partly as a result of the innumerable programmes for women. Yet it has been shown that the most cost-effective way to spend extra health money is on men's health. But no government is prepared to take that on...

- One of their solutions is:
"A third approach, which is being increasingly supported by evidence from randomized controlled trials and other types of studies, is to support interventions aimed at gender transformation. These aim to reshape male gender roles in ways that lead to more equitable relationships between women and men."
Sounds like feminist brain-washing to me. I don't see how that's going to fix my Dad's prostate.

I'm pretty impressed with their conclusion:
"Men’s physical illness, for example, can impair the psychological health of their female partners; when men are sick, injured or die, households and female partners suffer a loss of income."
Can you imagine them saying women's health is important because it impacts men?

[–]Xerontitan90 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

World is full of soyboys and simps.

[–]Mode1961 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In many societies, men generally enjoy more opportunities, privileges and power than women

This statement is wrong on so many levels though it could be fixed with a simple edit to "SOME MEN" "Some Opportunities" while in other society i.e. Western Societies women enjoy those advantages.

[–]nourjen -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The statement is not incorrect. It is objectively true. I can name dosens of countries in which this is correct now let alone human history. You feel strongly against it because you don't like feminism. But it's only feels. The facts are not on your side.

Unless you believe women in dirtbags in one-sided polygamous relationships with no right to move a finger without men's permissions and not having any politcal power are a priviledges, opportunities and power.

Love it or hate it the statement is correct. And your feelings about it don't matter. The world doesnt begin in 2019 and doesn't end in the balkans. Middle east and russia are excellent examples for the correctness of that statement in 2020.

[–]Battleship1239 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Complaints will only get us so far, but day by day this sub grows larger, and day by day our numbers grow in size, eventually, the force that is equality will force itself down upon the mortals of earth and destroy any need for Feminism or the MRM, only then, will the fight end.

[–]NekoiNemo 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wanted to snark about it being buried soon enough to never be seen again... But seeing how it's a 6-7yo proposal and there was jack shit done... Yeah.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The UN is a corrupt parasite organization that must be dissolved.

[–]fcwhiskard 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

UN, WTO, WHO WEF all need to be destroyed.

[–]Xerontitan90 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Add UNSC, UNHRC, WFO.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You need to be ‘destroyed’ ye gobshite.

[–]fcwhiskard 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

That oddly touched a nerve with you. I didn't insult your mother. I'm against huge transnational organizations and their totalitarian influence over global affairs.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The world health organisation is not a ‘totalitarian’ outfit, nor is the United Nations. I’m against extreme ignorance.

[–]killcat 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps not but they are pushing gynocentric propaganda.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s no perhaps about it. They are not totalitarian. That description is completely wrong.

[–]nourjen -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If you follow what the UN is doing, they're not pushing for any agenda except following what the big powers want or are. They push for what is accepted in the mainstream of these countries.

The issue is that the UN is too weak and depends on those countries. Which is the major flaw of the UN. The UN is not feminist nor defending women's rights otherwise they would make statements and even take actions against Saudi Arabia, Russia and many other countries. They're not pro-men otherwise they would make statements and take actions against practices such as male circumcision (US, Israel and muslim majority countries defend the practice and do it) and male suicide rates (capitalism and culture of most countries). They're not pro-migration. They're not pro-poor or working class yet people call them leftist. They're not defending LGBT rights but only applaud once they're accepted yet they call the UN SJW.

The UN is a sycophant frankenstein monster that is too weak to male any statement or action that is coherent. But, despite that they did show good results on some issues. We should reform the UN, make them stronger and independant from any country or super power. Abolish veto right. Make a constitution or something that will prevent this independant new UN from having any authoritarian tendancy.

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[–]killcat 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh I agree that the UN is weak, but while it may not be standing up to Saudi etc it is definitely pushing a pro-woman agenda, just look at UNwomen, or it's focus on FEMALE genital mutilation, or it's actions where it feeds "women and children" and lets men starve.

[–]nourjen 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

a pro-woman agenda,

Do you realise that globally women have it worse than men ? Your look on the world is too western-centric and the UN is a global organisation. In the west women's issues are mostly dealt with. In kost of the world it is not the case. In Russia it is legal for a man to beat his wife. Just check the data on it. The numbers are fucking insane. The number of women who die from domestic violence each year is insane. In north africa and the middle east they have less rights. For example they inherit half, marital rape against women is largely accepted and legal, wife beating is leagal, women don't have the right to wear what they want in many of those countries. Men have all those rights.

If your hate against libtard pop-feminism goes that deep, and you forget to look at the facts. I'm sorry dude. But you're no longer helping anyone. I don't even understand the obsession for trying to compare women and men's conditions in this movement. It's so fucking stupid.

The point is to make mgm also illegal. Not to complain on why fgm is illegal and mgm isn't. This is not how we achieve progress !

or it's focus on FEMALE genital mutilation

The issue is the cultural perception on mgm and fgm is different. The cultural perspective is that 1 is bad and you know the reasons very well, the other is percieved as minor without impact. That is objectively incorrect. Without even mentioning the dissonance between both.

I suspect the fact that jews practice circumcision to be one of the main factors for it to be still accepted along with medical misinfo that was spread in the US by conservatives and religious fundamentalists.

And let's make this clear : I was circumcised as a child. I myself am a victim of the practice. And I have been dealing with the anger and depression ot caused be ever since I realised the harm that was done. I used to deny the evil of it by convincing myself about the medical "benefits". It was my way to cope, but I even then I didn't like it.

So don't you expect me to support the WHO on that decision. Genital mutilation of girls and boys must see an end.

it's actions where it feeds "women and children" and lets men starve.

In my idea world, nobody starves

[–]killcat 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

UNwomen deliberately uses measures of inequality designed to show the result that women are unequal, not just in Africa but worldwide, in their terms of reference they state that they ONLY measure female inequality. What does that mean? Well if women do 10% worse than men it's unequal, if they do 100% better it's equal. And remember they IGNORE any issues that effect men, remember "bring back our girls"? Do you know what happened to the boys at schools at the same time?

[–]Mackdude15 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Explaining the gender gap

In many societies, men generally enjoy more opportunities, privileges and power than women"

Don't get your hopes up....this is still feminist indoctrinated piffle. Just wait and see

[–]nourjen 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't get your hopes up....this is still feminist indoctrinated piffle. Just wait and see

Do you unironically believe the middle east and Russia are feminist countries !? Because "societies" doesn't mean western countries. There are other societies, countries and continents other than western ones. Perhaps, you may have heard of something called Africa, and even of Asia. Well there are billions of people there. Actually, most of humanity lives in those 2 continents.

[–]Mackdude15 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The WHO is by and large a corrupt organization steeped in dishonest feminist propaganda

[–]nourjen 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is corrupt, but not for the reasons you think it is. And it is not steeped in dishonest feminist propaganda. It is corrupt in the sense that it has some cultural bias in many of its statements based on which country is concerned. This applies to the UN as a whole. They don't want to be lose some countries' support. So they'll bend the knee if they know it will upset too many people.

They're not feminist. The UN is too weak to oppose countries. It can not oppose the US, Russia, China, France or GB. It can not do anything that doesn't favor these countries. The WHO's bad statement on male genital mutilation is based on 2 things : the medical argument and the religious argument. The medical argument is for the US, and the religious is for muslims and jews, i e muslim majority countries, Israel and to avoid islmophobia and antisemitism accusations. So this is not feminism, they are literally bending the knee for conservatives. They are trying to appease conservatives and religious fundamentalists NOT LEFTISTS OR SJWS OR FEMINISTS.

When it comes to male suicide rates it is caused by multiple factors which have nothing to do with feminism. So why the fuck bother with feminism !? The causes are :

  • cultural (gender) which puts us in a bad position. The perception that men are very strong or ought to be strong. And the meaning of strength in our culture. For example, we mistakenly believe that crying, showing emotions, depression, etc are signs of weakness. It may not be the case in your circles, but overall it is a fact. Even in medical circles this is an issue and it disproportunately affects men. This is why many think men can not be victims of rape. Gender stereotypes around men are problematic.

  • economic. As we are speaking about the UN, don't expect them to criticize the economic system. Neoliberalism is bad. And capitalism is outdated. This is a completely different issue but combined with the cultural problems around men it can become insanely toxic.

Obviously it is much more complicated, but the UN is in no way steeped in feminism. Men and women's issues would not get any attention without feminism or MRA. With only feminism women's issues git attention. With MRA men's issues are getting more attention even though a lot of energy and momentum is lost on feminism which is completely irrelevant because you dumbfucks follow a lot of misinformation which exists out there.

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is over six years old. Not exactly new.

[–]Grave_Heresy 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It'll never happen

[–]Sewblon 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That men tend to be in worse health than women has now been made clear by robust evidence from various sources.

That depends on which outcomes you measure. Men have higher mortality rates. But women have higher morbidity rates. Its called the health-survival paradox. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK242444/

In many societies, men generally enjoy more opportunities, privileges and power than women

I don't think that that is as true as people tend to think. in the U.S., men are still in charge in the work place. But women are still in charge in the household, no matter who earns more. (Farrell, Warren & Gray, John. The Boy Crisis.)

According to the WHO European Region’s review of the social determinants of health, chaired by Sir Michael Marmot, men’s poorer survival rates “reflect several factors – greater levels of occupational exposure to physical and chemical hazards, behaviours associated with male norms of risk-taking and adventure, health behaviour paradigms related to masculinity and the fact that men are less likely to visit a doctor when they are ill and, when they see a doctor, are less likely to report on the symptoms of disease or illness”.3

  1. Norms can't be differentiated from the behaviors that they supposedly cause. They are not functional independent variables because they are influenced by the same things that they supposedly cause. (Barber, Nigel. The Myth of Culture. Chapter 3). I personally believe that the same is true of these concepts of "behavior paradigms" and "masculinity."
  2. Doctors spend less time with men and provide them with less service per-visit than women. You can't put this all on the male patients. ( Williams, David R. (May 2003). "The Health of Men: Structured Inequalities and Opportunities". Am J Public Health. 93 (5): 724–731. doi):10.2105/ajph.93.5.724. PMC) 1447828. PMID) 12721133. )

A second approach involves partnering with men to improve women’s and children’s health. For example, research in Ghana has shown that child vaccination programmes designed to involve fathers (not just mothers) in decisions about their children's use of preventive health services may increase timely immunization coverage levels.19 Similarly, systematic reviews of studies conducted in low- and middle-income countries have shown the benefits of engaging male partners in decisions about reproductive and sexual health, including family planning.20

I thought this piece was about reducing the disparity against men. This is just changing the subject.

A third approach, which is being increasingly supported by evidence from randomized controlled trials and other types of studies, is to support interventions aimed at gender transformation. These aim to reshape male gender roles in ways that lead to more equitable relationships between women and men. Such interventions can increase protective sexual behaviours, prevent intimate partner violence, modify inequitable attitudes linked to gender, and reduce sexually transmitted infections.21

I read that paper that they are citing. The evidence isn't as strong as it sounds. Only 3 of the studies that they cited were randomized trials, and they were all measuring different outcomes.

[–]Successful_Warthog58 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The UK gender life gap at the turn of the last century was 1 year. By the 1960's, depending where you lived, it was up to 7years. Women still retired 5years earlier than men leading to a gender lifetime retirement gap with women living up to 12 years longer in retirement than men, even though men paid considerably more in contributions to the pot. But still in the media that was never mentioned, but just sold it as women suffer the most due to having to eek their savings out longer as they live on a pension longer. Truly the old Guardian headline joke is spot on....

"Meteor to strike the earth tomorrow wiping out all life..... Women most affected" 🤔

[–]Mackdude15 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that this is a 7 year old proposal and ZERO changes have been made from the UN, this is kind of a moot point dont you think?

[–]accidental_me 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We think women should be taken care of. Women themselves, naturally, have adopted this attitude. "Everything" is geared towards "protecting" women.

[–]MensEquality 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course men should be included. Why wouldn't they be? Are not women included?

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