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Boy Scouts Lose 425,000 Boys 1 Week After Announcing Name Change

JohnKimble111

May 10, 2018
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Title Boy Scouts Lose 425,000 Boys 1 Week After Announcing Name Change
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Date May 10, 2018 12:18 AM UTC
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Comments

[–][deleted] 111 points112 points113 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

No space can be reserved for men. Feminists are like a cancer moving from male space to male space, demanding accommodation and special treatment.

Their goal isn't inclusion, but elimination. They simply do not want male only spaces to exist. A few days ago I saw some inane Twitter post about how men want boys so they can teach them to rape and abuse women. Feminists loved it. To them, the Boy Scouts organization was the symbolic father, and male scouts the symbolic sons, being taught to rape and hurt.

Nothing good can come out of male-male interactions from them.

[–]DigitalisEdible 36 points37 points38 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The most depressing aspect is how easily so many men bow down and kiss the feet of feminists as soon as they complain about something. So quick to apologise just for being male. Have some self respect for fucks sake, it’s embarrassing.

[–]The__Tren__Train 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

that's basically a result of the 80/20 principle.. 20% of men are getting the vast majority of the women, and the 80% want some action too... so they kowtow, and inconvenience themselves and everyone else in a desperate attempt to get a whiff of pussy.

[–]SockCuck 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say i'm in the 20% of men. Ripped, intelligent etc. I utterly reject feminist principles, publicly, and I have no problem stating my opinion and getting into debates (which end up in screaming matches/ unmanageable debates because they don't argue logically).

I still have a large circle of female friends and hot girlfriend. They don't really care to be honest. If I was ugly and sexually undesirable, I probably would have been exiled from the friend group long ago. that's just how it is.

[–]EpicHuggles 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you need any proof of this head over to the NFL subreddit and check out the threads about sexual assault accusations from 22 years ago suddenly coming back to the surface.

The highest voted comments are all the people empathizing with the female accuser and saying things about how they can't imagine what she went through and wish we had a better system foe punishing rapists.

[–]Rethgil 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There seems to be a shitload of white knights among the bodybuilding pussy crushing demographic of men. Maybe that's my imagination, or maybe its that those men have been raised, brainwashed, to believe that women are angels on pedestals that need protecting at all costs.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

"(Feminists) goal isn't inclusion, but elimination (of men)".

If robots were invented tomorrow that were cash machines with dildos, that punched anything that upset a woman's 'feelz', men would be banned from everywhere.

[–]Danphil90 41 points42 points43 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Its like men have no personal space anymore, Agenda 2030 could be true, we are heading for a complete feminine takeover, honestly whats the point in being alive anymore :(

[–]karatdem 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The problem with all feminine take overseas in history is that they never become dominant and progress, but they become stagnant and dwindle.

Enjoy the decline.

[–]subthrowaway321 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They end up killing entire civilizations. It is a very big reason why Rome failed and almost no one talks about it.

[–]lookafist 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Source?

[–]subthrowaway321 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's a good read on it. You'll be hard pressed to find a peer reviewed paper or research on the topic. Most are just historians and what not giving their recollection. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/feminism-responsible-for-the-fall-of-rome/

[–]PapaLoMein 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Time to start researching real patriarchies to immigrate to.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Those "real patriarchies" are moving into your country as we speak.

/s (no, really... I wish, I was joking)

[–]Blutarg 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't worry, people who know what's going on see your post for the joke that it is.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'd be fine with them making scouts gender neutral by merging the BSA and GSA. But it's pretty shitty that only the boys were pressured to be inclusive while the girls got to keep their space.

Par for course I'm afraid.

[–]Pillowed321 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

GSA is a separate organization that doesn't want to do what BSA does. They are the most upset about this decision because it means they'll be losing girl members.

AFAIK most troops won't be co-ed, they will just just add all-female troops to the scouts.

[–]cknight18 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not co-ed? If that's the case I really don't see what the issue is. Boys will still have their own separate space, the only difference is that now they're will be a group of girls doing similar things in a different location, but under the same name. Am I missing something? As long as it doesn't go further (like dropping activities that are "too masculine"), what's the downside? As a lover of the outdoors, I'm excited about anyone, boy or girl, getting into the hobby.

[–]-manatease 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For now, in the UK the scouts made taking girls into troops mandatory 12 years ago. Now there are around 3 girls for every 1 boy joining. The Girl Guides (our version of the Girl Scouts) is of course still proudly 100% female.

[–]cknight18 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it's something we should keep our eye closely on. We can't let them slip changes in to turn it into something it's not.

That said, I don't believe fear of change should keep girls from joining. If a girl wants to do cool shit on the woods, they should be able to.

[–]-manatease 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So the Girl Scouts should start doing 'cool shit'! Don't you see that it's almost inevitably the male organisation that becomes gender neutral over time? Pressure on Men's Sheds now to admit women whilst everybody remains silent over the Women's Institute etc etc.

Please let's not pretend that this isn't part of something much bigger and please let's not make it about girls while forgetting about needs of boys.

[–]awksomepenguin 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would have liked to have seen girls-only, coed, AND boys-only divisions come out of the decision to let girls in the organization.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That would also be fine.

But I'm getting sick of this "what's yours is ours, what's mine is mine" attitude towards gender equality coming from some women.

[–]Rethgil 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"what's yours is ours, what's mine is mine"

Well that's the feminist matra isn't it?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I suspect it is possible to write a shittier article on this topic, I'm having some trouble thinking of how it would be worse.

[–]serial_crusher[🍰] 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The Mormons have been on their way out of the BSA for years. Them leaving was probably a contributor to the decision to allow girls. BSA is hoping they’ll get enough girls to replace the Mormon boys they’re losing.

[+]rick74751 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

The Mormons are making their own program, exclusive only for boys, and also one exclusive to girls (though they have had the girls program for a while). As a Mormon, and former scout leader, and MRA, even though I know most people don't agree with my beliefs, at least Mormons have specific classes and activities geared for boys separate from girls with male leaders. They also have the men's priesthood meetings, exclusive for men only (the women also have their group). Boys can have great male role models growing up and when they are older they can get support for some men's issues. It is not for everyone of course, and Mormons can do it under the banner of freedom of religion without feminist interference. Feminists, of course, have been trying to fight this for years, but polls from the Salt lake Tribune show that the majority of Mormon women (88%) like it this way because their organization (the Relief Society) supports them and is very vocal in the community for a lot of women's issues.

[–]serial_crusher[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Mormons are making their own program, exclusive only for boys, and also one exclusive to girls (though they have had the girls program for a while). As a Mormon, and former scout leader, and MRA, even though I know most people don't agree with my beliefs, at least Mormons have specific classes and activities geared for boys separate from girls with male leaders

That's how the BSA's program works. They're going to have separate all-girls troops and all-boys troops. I think their marketing is kind of bad in that sense.

Their program isn't really "geared" towards a particular set of gender norms, I guess. Like they're going to expect boys and girls to do the same activities and learn the same values. I guess you could say they're letting girls participate in activities that are "geared for" boys, but everything I learned in scouts would be good for everybody, not just boys.

[–]Matthew15651 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good.

[–]Hoeasss 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what happens when the last few male spaces are taken, serves them right

[–]MrComicBook 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wonder if these boys can join the Girl scouts?

[–]cknight18 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm torn on the issue. I really do believe that boys/men should have their own spaces separate from women/girls, but let's be honest who here doesn't know that the girl scouts suck? I dont blame girls for wanting to join a more outdoorsy club than girlscouts provides.

I think ideally there would be gendered scouting groups that offered a better variety of activities. Just my 2 cents.

[+]t-dawg-da-bomb1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

We all know that girl scouts sick so why does no one try to make it better?

[–]cknight18 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From what I've heard, it's the leadership that want it to remain a money-making scheme. They apparently make a bit of money getting little girls to sell cookies.

[–]Rethgil 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then you miss the point. Its not about whether or not you think the space was great or not. Its about the pattern of hypocrisy of feminism demanding no spaces for men but lots for women.

[–]cknight18 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm gonna be honest, I don't give a fuck about whether feminists wanted this or not, young girls should have the opportunity (or a wider one than they had) to enjoy the outdoors.

I agree that boys/men should have their own space. But from what I've heard, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that the groups won't be co-ed. There will be separate scouting groups for boys and girls.

So a group of boys get to go camping and learn some cool stuff about the outdoors. Oh now there's a group of girls doing something similar in another area, and now they're using the same name.

Now it's totally possible that this isn't the end of the changes. Maybe there will be pushes to change the scouts to drop activities that are "too masculine," and if that happens I will be right there opposing it with everyone else here. Maybe they'll push for changes to gender-integrate most/all the groups, and again I would be opposed to that. I think it's something we should keep our eye on. But as it stands right now, I see nothing wrong with letting girls into the scouts (and older ages were already open to girls, this change was only for the younger ones).

[–]akaBenz 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

As someone who upvotes a lot on MensRights, this decision is fairly logical and non-controversial to me.

[–]nforne 36 points37 points38 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm torn on this one. I agree that any company or organisation should be allowed to set their rules however they please.

What annoys me is how they dress it up as being "inclusive", and how this term is only used in the context of men's/boys' spaces being opened up, never the other way around.

And I also worry about where young boys are looking for their role models, as they move away from activities like Scouting.

[–]jcoe 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And I also worry about where young boys are looking for their role models, as they move away from activities like Scouting.

It seems to me, the powers that be, are trying to make sure this very thing comes from non-male role models. It simply amazes me how some women seem to know how to teach men to be men better than other men can.

[–]akrlkr 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Here's what's going to happen.

Once they start enrolling girls, dads and other male adults will be unwelcome just like how girl scouts denying dads to be leaders/participate. This will gradually decrease men's participation because you know men don't want to be falsely accused of inappropriate conduct.

Then women will take over coed camping cause privacy for boys is not a highly valued idea.

There will be abuse. We hear female teacher raping boys all the time imagine you allowing these same entitled women to camp-outs at nights with boys without any adult male present. Lots of 13+ year old boys have to find a way to pay child support to their rapists.

Then women will change the curriculum to better fit the girls, more girly things, less building or actual camping. Eventually it will go the same direction of girl scouting and boys will be discouraged and drop out by the numbers. The more boys drop out more girly it becomes.

I'd give it until 2030.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There will be abuse. We hear female teacher raping boys all the time imagine you allowing these same entitled women to camp-outs at nights with boys without any adult male present. Lots of 13+ year old boys have to find a way to pay child support to their rapists.

This is a dark idea that is so accurate, there are women out there now planning on becoming Scout Masters for the sole reason of fucking boys. They can't control themselves, women live for hedonism and screeching at anyone who tells them to control themselves.

[–]Gingerchaun 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Me too bud. I dont remember a time when scouts canada was segregated.

[–]SchalaZeal01 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

https://www.girlguides.ca/web/

I do, like now.

[–]Gingerchaun 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Girl guides arent scouts.

[–]akrlkr 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is okay when women do it, lol.

[–]Gingerchaun 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Havent met any boys who want to join the girl guides.

[–]Rethgil 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

As someone who upvotes a lot on MensRights

Translated-"As someone who is desperately trying to cover their tracks and past posts to hide their agenda...."

This next quote is also one of yours you posted, right?

"Men inherently fuck shit up"

Thats a direct quite from you I believe?

"Men inherently fuck shit up". That's quite a blanket claim about men to make.

But, despite your claims, no comments or posts in the Men's Rights Section particularly until today. But you "upvote a lot"-which conveniently can't be checked out......

And yet there's a lot of trolling here today on this subject and in this thread....

[–]Drezzzire -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

🤦‍♂️ are you even paying attention Jesus Christ

[–]A_confusedlover 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should lose all, they deserve it for shooting themselves in the fucking foot with that decision

[–]subthrowaway321 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Join me in writing them urging them to reconsider this position. They aren't going to have scouts at this rate. It will be millions by the end of the month, and they will go bankrupt.

[–]nascarracer99316 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They will lose more.

Do not forget the girl scouts sued them to force them to admit girls.

And after all this the head of the gs said they will not allow boys to join.

And because of this they are involved in a multibillion dollar federal discrimination lawsuit that they have no chance of winning because of this.

I am waiting for all the false accusations of sexual assault against not only scouts but by troop leaders since they are forcing them to accept feminist bitches as leaders now as well.

[–]thrway_1000 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't care if the boy scouts die, but the whole owned by the Mormons was off to begin with.

Archive -- https://archive.is/uNcLY

[–]Rethgil -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that's a great attitude. Why are you even here then if you care more about things like that than Mens Rights as a whole? Pfft.

[–]antilopes 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Scout troops can continue to be all boy or all girl, except perhaps in small centers where there are not enough numbers.

Girl Scouts has been criticised as having lost its way so this can be seen as a consolidation into one successful organisation, if it poaches enough GS members to lead to their collapse.

That number is not boys leaving. It was the international Mormon (LDS) organisation, which disaffiliated its youth programs around the world. The church had been grumpy ever since Boy Scouts decided that homosexual boys and men exist and are valid members of the human race. Admitting trans kids might have been the last straw. They had been developing their own program for some time I think.

I don't mourn the loss of LDS influence on Scouts. Their values don't travel so well outside of Utah. The church of LDS is similar to the Catholic church in the way they protect offenders in their hierarchy by psychological and religious abuse of their individual members.

[+]rick74751 points 8 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

You know there are Mormon men with issues that also need support. Your blanket discrimination makes them feel unwelcome to the MRA.

[–]Pillowed321 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then they can join the scouts. They aren't the ones being discriminated against, they're upset that the boy scouts doesn't discriminate against gays anymore. Gay men also need support and the Scouts shouldn't have to discriminate against gay males just to make Mormons feel welcome.

[–]antilopes -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point. I revised the comment a bit. I am only criticizing the tactics of the hierarchy, not the members who I have supported several times.

I can't comment on religious matters but I have heard similar stories of psychological abuse in members of LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses and the Brethren. Obviously they have a much larger good side, but I only get to see the bad side and it is reminiscent of the way cults manipulate their members.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We can only hope that the entire organization ends up being closed down.

They told boys "You weren't enough, we didn't care about you enough, so we ripped you out of the name, we erased you, we'll go with Girls instead".

Absolute apathy to boys, the whole organization should be eradicated, little boys are going to be forbidden from being themselves in the interest of little girls controlling the spaces.

[+]uhSwift1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

Why not merge the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and call them the Scouts and have the kids learn everything taught in both organizations

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Because boys need role models and time away from girls in order to actually get to be themselves.

[–]uhSwift 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

u have a point

[–]antilopes 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Very true, but my understanding is the troops will continue to be single sex.

[–]Hirudin 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

for now. You know the demands will always keep escalating though.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How long before we hear "Girls in the Scouts not doing as well as Boys! DISCRIMINATION!"

Once they have their foot in door they make it in and burn the place down.

Feminism has literally done this to every male organization it's interacted with.

[–]Smallzfry 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Troops are still going to be single-gender, it's just that all-girl troops are allowed in Scouts after the change.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which will result in male troops being curb stomped the second they do any better than girls, you'll also see girls getting a larger portion of spending, attention, etc.

There is no way this is going to work out positively.

[–]edgeofenlightenment 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Girl Scout Cookies' profits are too much to share. The bsa has tried to merge.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As far as I'm aware they're two separate entities.

[–]Hirudin 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because an organization designed to instill confidence and competence in young people isn't exactly compatible with a glorified MLM scheme to sell cookies.

[–]Blutarg 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe. Mormon boys can still be scouts, right? I mean, it would serve the Boy Scouts right if hundreds of thousands of members quit because of this, but let's wait and see.

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Boy Scouts is losing members because the Mormon Church decided to pull out. This has nothing to do with the name change or the policy of admitting females.

[–]kindofageek 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m torn on the BSA because although I’d like for the boys to have their own group and the girls their own, I don’t think my daughter would be a great fit in the GSA. She would like most of the things they do, but ALSO would want to do the things the BSA do, but GSA doesn’t. She’s a princess for sure, but we’re out hiking, fishing, getting dirty and scraped up, and so on, every weekend. If the GSA would just offer more for the kids it’d be different. It’s crazy that they can’t see this and offer more up rather than bitching and moaning about losing girls. Ding ding, there’s a reason you’re losing girls. They want more than what you offer. Offer up or shut up GSA.

[–]6K6L 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least scout leaders can choose whether or not they want a girl to join their troop. Also, girls can only join Cub Scouts now, so I've heard. As long as that doesn't change, I don't see that much of a problem, besides that girls are still going into a programs meant specifically for BOYS! I understand if the Eagle Scout rank is a higher achievement than anyone can get in the Girl Scouts of America, but I don't think that is the case. I've hard that they have an equally prestigious award, though I cannot remember what it is called. Does anyone know more about this?

[–]brontide -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have had a problem with the Boy Scouts for a long time and this does not change it. They are and continue to be a group that discriminates openly against the non-religious and they receive special treatment at the state and federal level despite their open discrimination.

[+]brartod -9 points-8 points-7 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, I wouldn't be upset at all to see sons of fucking mormons go... Who cares at all about those idiotic freaks?

[–]ModsAreThoughtCops 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I do. I'm not even Mormon, but if thousands of young boys are losing an opportunity to learn valuable skills, you can bet your left nut that MRM will support them.

Just bc you don't agree with Mormonism doesn't mean those boys don't need support

[–]subthrowaway321 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take note everyone. This is the kind of stupid shit people say when they have put group identity above all else, and can't imagine a world where that isn't the case. Whatever happened to judging someone by the content of their character and not what religion they practice, what's between their legs, or what color their skin is? Who cares if they are Mormon. Plenty of non Mormons belong to the organization and guess what? We get a long just fine because we don't care, unlike people like you who seem to be incapable of judging someone based on their individual actions.

[–]SKNK_Monk 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree with Mormonism, but it's not the fault of Mormon kids what environment they were born into and I won't kick a whole population into a ditch to die just because they're wrong.

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