Because men are bad, M'kay?

bufedad · 2017-10-17T12:47:43+00:00

My wife read this story and turned to me, apologized for her gender's treatment of men... I do love that woman.

RainMitch · 2017-10-17T13:37:17+00:00

Reversed, yo.

Hey women, what are you planning to do better? Because you need to do better. Here are ideas on how you should treat men better.

Talk to your friend who is “kind of a creep” at work
Don’t talk over men.
If you are asked to be on a panel/team and see that it’s all women, say something. Maybe even refuse the spot!
When you see another girl talk over a man, say: “Hey, he was saying something.”
Learn to read a fucking room.
Don’t call men “crazy” in a professional setting.
Don’t use your “feminism” as a way to get men to trust you. Show us in your day-to-day life, not in your self-congratulatory social media.
Don’t touch men you don’t know, and honestly, ask yourself why you feel the need to touch men in general.
Do you feel that any man on earth owes you something? He doesn’t. Even if you’re like, “Hm, but what about basic respect?” ask yourself if you’ve shown him the same.
Don’t send pictures of your nudes unless he just asked for them.
If a man says no to a date, don’t ask him again.
If a man has not given an enthusiastic “yes” to sex, back the hell off.
If a man is really drunk, he cannot consent to you and he also cannot consent to your friend who seems to be trying something. Your friend is your responsibility, so say something to her and intervene.
If you do the right thing, don’t expect praise or payment or a pat on the back or even a “thank you from that man”. Congratulations, you were baseline decent.
Involve men in your creative projects, then let them have equal part in them.
Don’t make misandrist jokes.
Don’t expect men to be “nice” or “good looking” and don’t get upset when they aren’t those things.
Don’t make assumptions about a man’s intelligence, capabilities or desires based on how he dresses.
Pay men as much as you pay women.
If a man tells you that you fucked up, and you feel like shit, don’t put it on that man to make you feel better. Apologize without qualification and then go away.
Don’t punish men for witnessing your vulnerability.
Don’t get defensive when you get called out.
Don’t need to literally witness a woman being horrible in order to believe that she’s horrible. Trust and believe men.
Don’t use your power to get men’s attention/company/sex/etc.
Be aware of your inherent power in situations and use it to protect men, especially via talking to other women.
Stop thinking that because you’re also marginalized or a survivor that you cannot inflict pain or oppress men.
If men’s pain makes you feel pain, don’t prize your pain above his, or make that pain his problem.

Don’t read a list like this and think that most of these don’t apply to you.

BlockNotDo · 2017-10-17T14:36:55+00:00

Talk to your friend who is “kind of a creep” at work.

Why would I have a friend who is kind of a creep? I don't hang around those types of guys.

Don’t talk over women.

I don't typically talk over men or women. But I'll talk over either if they are being rude or trying to talk over me. I'm sure the author isn't suggesting that I should treat women differently than how I treat men. That wouldn't be equality.

Don’t call women “crazy” in a professional setting.

I'll call crazy people crazy (although I'd likely use a different word like, "unstable", "incompetent" or "nuts") when they're being crazy - professional setting or not.

If a woman is really drunk, she cannot consent to you and she also cannot consent to your buddy who seems to be trying something.

Wrong! Women have agency over their own decisions - sexual and otherwise.

Pay women as much as you pay men.

What? Just as a blanket policy? No. I'll pay people who are more valuable to the company more money and people who are less valuable less money. Gender is the last thing on my mind when determine fair compensation for an employee.

Don’t need to literally witness a man being horrible in order to believe that he’s horrible. Trust and believe women.

Sorry, just like men, women lie.

Don’t use your power to get women’s attention/company/sex/etc.

??? So we're not supposed to be attractive to women? How's that gonna work out in the long term for the species? Maybe we should tell women to stop being attracted to the power that a man has and start being attracted to whether or not he's a good person.

Don’t read a list like this and think that most of these don’t apply to you.

I don't think most of these don't apply to me. I don't think any of them apply to me. I only responded to a few selected points. Don't let that make you think that the ones I omitted are somehow valid. I just got better things to do with my time.

JStheHammer · 2017-10-17T11:53:19+00:00

She is insane.

Sidney5101 · 2017-10-17T14:16:17+00:00

Archive link

Lrellok · 2017-10-17T15:58:37+00:00

reversing the genders on this list is hilarious. Also, The list is jaw dropping ablest, Auspies cannot "learn to read a room".

iliketriggeringsjws · 2017-10-17T12:43:04+00:00

I'm not quite sure what I just read.

Mr_MRAnarchist · 2017-10-17T12:59:15+00:00

The best part of the article was the begging for money at the end... we can only hope that these cancer wards pubilshers go out of business.

jmg83 · 2017-10-17T13:00:11+00:00

This person gets paid to write this garbage? "Don't talk over women"? If I talk over a woman, or a man for that matter, it's because they're talking shit, and I don't have time for them.

Elvick · 2017-10-17T17:56:28+00:00

Talk to your friend who is “kind of a creep” at work.

This is subjective. And I doubt men are friends with men they feel are "kind of a creep" to begin with.

Don’t talk over women.

Because women never talk over anyone...

If you are asked to be on a panel/team and see that it’s all men, say something. Maybe even refuse the spot!

Why?

When you see another guy talk over a woman, say: “Hey, she was saying something.”

Why? Because women are too pathetic and weak to do it themselves? No thanks. I respect women, so I'll expect them to stand up for THEMSELVES. Like I expect men to do. I wouldn't stand up for a man in this situation, so I wouldn't do it for a woman either. I treat people equally.

Learn to read a fucking room.

You first. If things are aggressive and everyone is loud and putting forth their ideas, then bring yourself into that type of headspace to fit that environment. Rather than demand everyone make that space work for you.

Don’t call women “crazy” in a professional setting.

If someone is being crazy, regardless of gender. Then they're being crazy. I think it'd be more beneficial to report the "Craziness" to HR rather than directly antagonize a "crazy" person by calling them crazy. But that has nothing to do with gender.

Don’t use your “feminism” as a way to get women to trust you. Show us in your day-to-day life, not in your self-congratulatory social media.

lol, I sure won't. I'm not a feminist. I treat women the same way I do men. In my day-to-day life and on the internet. Which gets me called sexist and misogynist by feminists. Which is one reason why I'm not one, among more meaningful reasons.

Don’t touch women you don’t know, and honestly, ask yourself why you feel the need to touch women in general.

I don't. Why are you assuming I would? How about you don't touch gay men you don't know, and ask yourself why you feel entitled to sexually assault gay men in gay bars. It's sure not fun to be generalized like that is it? Sexist.

Do you feel that any woman on earth owes you something? She doesn’t. Even if you’re like, “Hm, but what about basic respect?” ask yourself if you’ve shown her the same.

No. But you, as evidenced by this list, feel that men owe women a lot. Like "standing up" for them at work. Rather than women being the adults they are and doing it for themselves, it's men's job. Rather than a woman reporting a "creepy" guy to HR, a man should "talk to his creepy friend". Men should just solve women's problems for them. Since women are apparently super helpless children. No thank you.

Don’t send pictures of your penis unless she just asked for them.

No one should send unsolicited nudes. I'd agree with that, but you had to make it gendered for no reason.

If a woman says no to a date, don’t ask her again.

A lot of old happily married couples are together solely because of the persistence of the man. I've seen so many old ladies talk about how they didn't like their now husband when they first met, and he just kept at it and eventually she warmed up to him and said yes. Then they had a lovely life together.

I think this is more complex and situational than many realize. Sometimes people change their minds, and it's not like women are going to ask the man out once they do. They will just wait for him to ask again, and if they listen to you they will never do so.

If a woman has not given an enthusiastic “yes” to sex, back the hell off.

So if she pulls your pants off, sits on top of you, you're supposed to do what? Throw her off and say, "IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD M'LADY! You did not give an enthusiastic yes, before you pulled off my pants and attempted to insert my penis into your vagina!"

The whole "yes means yes" but only if it's a really super duper yes, but sometimes not even that, crap is stupid and confusing. Sex is not so mechanical.

The sad part, is there is a discussion to be had here. About clarity, but we'll never be able to have that "rape apologist" discussion thanks to feminism. If you mean "no". Say it. Don't just think it. Don't just make a pouty face, don't just lay there or sit there, or accept it. Say "no". You have to. And never, ever say "no" if you mean "not now" or "after some foreplay". This is the problem. Women want to have their sexual freedom, but they still want to sell this idea they are pure and innocent at the same time. You can't have both.

You can't be coy while sexually free. They are contradicting things. But I've gone on long enough for this one.

If a woman is really drunk, she cannot consent to you and she also cannot consent to your buddy who seems to be trying something. Your buddy is your responsibility, so say something and intervene.

No, another person is not my responsibility. And again with men having hyper-agency and women having zero. How about feminists stop pushing these horridly sexist ideas?

If a woman is "really drunk", that means she is responsible for that state she is in. Perhaps instead of useless feminism, we should focus on trying to figure out how to instill responsible drinking habits to people. Or find ways to just decrease the consumption all together through other means. ie; making people happier in other ways, so they don't fall onto drugs/alcohol to feel better. But that would be helpful.

If you do the right thing, don’t expect praise or payment or a pat on the back or even a “thank you from that woman”. Congratulations, you were baseline decent.

Fuck off. Some women argue for "emotional labor" and how they should be paid for it. Have you ever, in your life, even considered telling these same people to fuck off and stop expecting payment for being "baseline decent"? Doubt it.

Involve women in your creative projects, then let them have equal part in them.

Why is it men's responsibility? Women can create their own projects. If someone wants the best people for the job and they happen to be men, that's that. Stop it you sexist.

I can't even continue. Way too long.

Ted8367 · 2017-10-17T20:11:14+00:00

Learn to read a fucking room.

Is this some sort of story like 50 Shades?

Fucking room. I'm so glad I don't subscribe to the Guardian any more.

Kozio_ · 2017-10-17T20:36:25+00:00

I just thought this, but modern day feminism is females realizing they can't get away with petty crap, so they started this movement to force the culture to obey and normalize their petty crap

Aivias · 2017-10-18T10:30:12+00:00

Feminists think all men are like the creepy, skeevy men that they know. We are not.

Title	Because men are bad, M'kay?
Author	jagershotzz
Upvotes	45
Comments	39
Date	October 17, 2017 11:43 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/76xzdu/because_men_are_bad_mkay/
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