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Google's Internship Program

I-Love_You

December 29, 2016
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Title Google's Internship Program
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I-Love_You

Upvotes 265
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Date December 29, 2016 4:34 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5kxoh5/googles_internship_program/
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[–]the_dummy 50 points51 points52 points 9 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

This is basically the same as if the nursing industry said the same thing about men.

[–]JimmyLongnWider 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Does that ever happen? Teaching? Any field?

[–]rocelot7 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Though I've never noticed anything so open and blatant, I know nursing, and other long term care postion's, are always looking for men. The reason being is that many male patients would prefer having another man take care of them especially when constant nudity and limited bodily functions are an issue. Another reason is that man are statisicly stronger and more capable of lifting or supporting a heavier set patient. There are other, more nuianced reasons. But the short of it is that there are postions and jops where men are more desriable than women but it has everything to do with areas that are lacking than anything ideological.

[–]BrotherNex 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Years ago I looked into a LPN program and was basically guaranteed a shorter waitlist time because I am a man. They also implied that it would be easier to find work. Never took the program or worked in the medical field so I don't know how true all of that was.

[–]Rahlan88 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Work in the medical field and I'm going for my LPN now. I've more or less got my pick of where I want to work before I've even graduated simply because I'm a guy. The individual above you is correct and to go a little farther, if you are particularly skilled, hospitals and nursing homes might actively seek YOU out.

[–]Alice_In_Zombieland 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My work place has roughly 90% women due to the nature of the work and basically any man that applies gets hired as long as they don't have a felony.

[–]thehunter699 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Teaching for sure. My cousin is in his final year and he's had multiple offers because they said male teachers are hard to come by

[–]puppy2010 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In my country, the majority of teachers are female, but the majority of school principals are male.

[–]AssAssIn46 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well then both are wrong. People best qualified for the job/internship should get the job/internship unless a particular gender is needed (not wanted) for the job.

[+]Vaeon -23 points-22 points-21 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Except it's not.

Women weren't allowed to be doctors so the nursing field came to be dominated by women. When the US Army needed people to calculate ballistics tables they initially didn't want women involved because the math would prove too difficult for a woman. When necessity forced them into accepting women it was discovered that females were doing the work faster, and more accurately then their male counterparts. This caused the people in charge to then say the reason women were better at it was because it was mindless, repetitive work better suited for a woman's brain.

Ignoring history won't make it go away, and since current human civilization is built on decisions made in our collective past, it's kind of important to learn about it.

[–]Pathfinder24 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This caused the people in charge to then say the reason women were better at it was because it was mindless, repetitive work better suited for a woman's brain.

Give me a quote.

[–]Vaeon -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I linked to the book and named the relevant essay. The rest is up to you.

[–]zyk0s 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh noes! The poor oppressed women! What does that have to do with anything? Women were programmers too, back when programs were 10 lines long and most of the work involving punching holes in the cards. And guess what, they didn't stay when the software got more complex.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Lee_Crumpler
http://www.biography.com/people/elizabeth-blackwell-9214198 Name any time period, and I will post female doctors from that time period. Ready? GO!

[–]JulianneLesse 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Prehistoric era

[–]notacrackheadofficer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dr Ruth Westheimer.

[–]fourthwallcrisis 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

2190, year of the Lizardman invasion.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Natalie Portman's head in a fishtank.

[–]Pathfinder24 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Triassic peroid

[–]notacrackheadofficer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tyrannosaurus Rx

[–]Vaeon 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The Renaissance.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They were called midwives back then. Um slam dunk? ammirite?

[–]Vaeon -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No. No, you are as wrong as it is possible to be. Go ask a doctor. I fucking dare you to tell a licensed M.D. that they are the same as a midwife.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the rennaissance? LOL

[–]RobDog101 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmfao.

Cute.

[–]PerniciousOne 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just say you identify as female

[–]Vaeon 31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

This isn't a rights issue, this is a smart business practice considering the incessant clamoring about the lack of females in the tech industry. By making a public statement that they are actively recruiting qualified female candidates they insulate themselves against claims "they aren't doing enough" to promote WIT (Women In Technology).

Since I'm on the subject, however, there is a book called "Gender & Technology: A Reader" that I had to read as a student at the University of Washington. I would highly recommend it because you cannot make an informed argument until you are informed.

[–]ZenPyx 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

Except they are also hiring twice as many women as men. So it kinda is a rights issue.

Sneaky edit: I think the study this was based on factored in demographics. So since a lot fewer women go into tech than men, they are being hired in lower numbers, but greater percentages

[–]falsehood 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

They are?

19% of Google’s technical roles are held by women, while 81% of them are held by men. Source

[–]ZenPyx 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

there is a huge difference between hiring and currently hired. Positive discrimination and all that.

[–]falsehood 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

there is a huge difference between hiring and currently hired.

That assumes that the population of applicants to Google mirrors the general population, though.

[–]ZenPyx 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I amended my original comment. The study factored in demographics. So a higher percentage of female applicants get accepted, not a higher number

[–]falsehood 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh, that still assumes that the female population is akin to the male one. Given the shit that women in CS sometimes go through, you could assume that the women that remain are more motivated and of a higher caliber.

[–]ZenPyx 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Potentially. Although you could argue the same about government pushes to put women in it

[–]falsehood 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think the real push is coming from gov't, but there is certainly a push.

[–]AssAssIn46 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if I start a business and hire 1000 women but 500 men, that wouldn't make a dent in the statistics but it doesn't mean it's not discrimination based on gender meaning it is in fact a rights issue.

Edit: Especially because less women choose to study subjects which would qualify them for jobs in the tech industry.

[–]Vaeon 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Link, please?

[–]ZenPyx 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I can't find that article, but I can find this https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.gadgette.com/2015/10/30/tech-companies-are-hiring-women-238-faster-than-men/amp/?client=ms-android-htc

[+]Vaeon -10 points-9 points-8 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

shrug Well, I found this article that says women only make 30% of the tech workforce as of May 2016.

https://www.cnet.com/news/women-in-tech-the-numbers-dont-add-up/

And there's this article that says men get hired more often than women do...

http://www.aauw.org/2015/06/11/john-or-jennifer/

I should become a data scientist...maybe that's what I'll do in 2017.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Much of the ''tech work force'' is groups of men who formed partnerships with each other. Bare bones operations with 3 to 5 members of the team, all partners and founders. . No one is stopping women from doing the same thing.
They like to major in sociology and literature more than they major in Comp sci in college. Everyone is free to make their own choices.
If more women went into tech fields they'd be hired just as much.
You can't hire people that don't exist.

[–]ZenPyx -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a lot of people think they can though, and force these "30% of the workforce must be 'xyz'"

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And there's this article that says men get hired more often than women do...

http://www.aauw.org/2015/06/11/john-or-jennifer/

I should become a data scientist...maybe that's what I'll do in 2017.

The article does not make this statement, neither does any of the research linked. You might be confusing the study that sent CVs explicitly for the purpose of relaying feedback back to the applicant with something involving numbers of hires of either sex, which isn't mentioned at all.

[–]CaptSnap 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wasnt google formed by two guys in college? Like in the mid 90's?

Whats hilarious is Page and Brin were working with computers at a time when it was seen in popular culture as the domain (heh) of geeks and dweebs. This would be back when I was in high school and the poor bastards in the computer club would get their lunch money stolen and ostracized outside of their small dnd cliques. Back when virgin was still being thrown around as a shaming tactic to remind them of their low social status. I can still remember the cheeto jokes. For some reason it didnt stop them or many other men.

Google was founded with legos and some fucking math. Did women at the time not have that? Then what is it that men have intrinsically that women lack? IF its nothing, then affirmative action is a cancer that destroys any attempt at equality. Well Google thinks there is something and its willing to help women, women specifically overcome that.

TO be honest IF I was a woman I would find this shit EXTREMELY condescending. It would drive me up the fucking wall.

[–]Temperfuelmma 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what's confusing to me. Most Women seems to think this is a good thing.

"Oh you're a woman?here, let me give you a special hand because of how useless and weak you are lol cool?"

If I were a woman I would never join a company that said that to me,people would just disregard my hardwork and say I got the job because I'm a woman. Fuck that, I worked hard, I should get credit for my hardwork not my gender.

[–]rockidol 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Why do they need to do anything to promote women in comp sci, and how is this not discrimination?

[+]Vaeon -16 points-15 points-14 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Why do they need to do anything to promote women in comp sci,

Women have been systematically excluded from STEM fields, and you can read all about it at your local library. You can start with the book I mentioned in the post you responded to.

and how is this not discrimination?

It's not discrimination when they spend 40 years telling you that you aren't smart enough to do the job, then they realize you are smart enough and let you in the door.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Hmm. My old friend from college is female and runs computer programming and engineering for the US government at Livermore Lab. I am 53 and so is she.
How odd. She was one of the smartest people I ever met, and never had anyone try to dissuade her from her chosen path.
''You're dumb'' is a sentence every child has heard from scores of kids in their life.
Every girl hears ''girls are dumb'' and every boy hears ''boys are dumb''.
My old girlfriend wasn't a pissy wissy whiny baby. I can see how pissy wissy whiny babies could go into conniption fits at the slightest glance.
No one can possibly intimidate a smart woman in academia. I am not buying it. My daughter rocks 6 figures in the tech field. No one ever treated her as if she were a dumb girl.

[+]Vaeon -12 points-11 points-10 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Read the book, then we can have this discussion where you refute all of the citations at the end of it.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'll probably find it hilarious. I raised my daughter to not be a dumbass American girl. I care little about anyone, male or female catching up to her. I am for her, and not a demographic of people. I love it that most people are dumb, so it's easier for my own very smart child to get ahead.
It all comes down to parenting. I'm 53 and know loads of super smart, successful women who I graduated high school with.
I have never, through high school or college, seen a shortage of very smart females, ready to accomplish stuff. It's all in the parenting.
Sit your child in front of Disney and Sesame Street for years, and they will probably be a dumbass, whining about shit.
Ignore TV when your child is young, and read to them a LOT, and they will not be dumbasses. Clearly the vast majority of Americans choose the dumbass path for their child.
TV is poison for children.
Haha to anyone who doesn't get that. It makes me look like a big meany to point out parenting flaws. Oh well.

[–]Vaeon -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Here's the book. You can probably find it at the library.

https://www.amazon.com/Gender-Technology-Reader-Nina-Lerman/dp/0801872596/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483049332&sr=8-1&keywords=gender+%26+technology%3A++a+reader

The essay "When Computers Were Women" is especially relevant to this discussion. You can PM me when you're ready to continue.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you could read a book as well. https://www.amazon.com/Between-Two-Ages-Americas-Technetronic/dp/0313234981/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483051593&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=america+in+the+coming+zbigniew
He's one of the power elite's main planners of society.
I find it quite obnoxious of you to imply that I am unfit to converse on this topic, til I reach your level by reading a book. LOL.
Anyone acting like things happen in a group way, by dancing around statistics, have no choice but to ignore the myriad of factors in individuals' stories, and experiences. I spit on such dogma.
I was a short white kid, systematically bullied by blacks who called me white boy, constantly through school. I have no demographic in any studies of anything. No one can group me with any known group.
I also know that if I say hi to everyone in a white neighborhood, and then do the same thing in a black neighborhood, the black people will say hi back to me more than the whites, often in astronomical differences.
So that makes me prejudiced, for sure. I think black people say hi more. When I see them, I judge them by the color of their skin as the type to say hi back to me.
Statistics are blind numbers showing nothing.
Anyone can be what they want in the US. Most libraries USED to be shitty. Now they all have internet. Anyone can excel at anything they want. Pretty girls who do well at school, and pick the right majors, have a serious advantage over those girls not considered as ''attractive'' will most certainly be hired less often than the pretty ones, by female management, as well as male management.
Everyone knows that. No one wants to talk about that.
I can make up real demographics all day.
Having personally known hundreds of successful women in many fields of work, I have no idea what reading your book could possibly accomplish.
I have a successful daughter who has no time for group think. I am well aware of her reality in the work force. She decdided, on her own, to take internet marketing analysis seriously and kicks ass. Everyone else in the US is personally invited to kick some ass at whatever they want to do. That's reality.

[–]Vaeon -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I see the problem here.

[–]notacrackheadofficer -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reality vs fantasy?
Look at the lists of CEOs , presidents and vice presidents of all major mass media companies and tell me what you see. Looks like a few dudes, and a whole army of women. Programming America. How interesting.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/women-hollywood-thr-s-2016-women-entertainment-power-100-951621/item/kristine-belson-women-entertainment-2016-952568
How did they all do it, with the whole mass media so against them?
It seems to me that smart women do very well doing whatever they want to do. That's how I raised my kid and it worked. Choosing a major that will give you a career is a good start. Sorry, most sociology majors end up with no career in their field. Sorry. There are scores of practical majors though!

[–]rockidol 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Google is not 40 years old, they are not part of some STEM conglomerate where they need to take responsibility for others' actions.

Having a preference for a certain gender is discrimination and if they've been discriminating against women have them pay a fine or something and then treat men and women equally. Discriminating against men isn't right and is unfair to the male applicants.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You are a liar and a disgrace.

[–]Vaeon 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah, I see the problem here.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if women are told ''you are not capable of commenting on reddit'' , how many will scurry away and never comment on reddit again?
I would hope y'all have thicker skin that that.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim fucktard. Where's your fucking proof? People like you that celebrate the downfall of man can fuck off

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That happens the other way around too. I'm in the field of psychology (dominated by women) and I can get pretty much any job I apply for that I'm qualified for, and even some that I'm not just because I'm a guy. They're desperate for men in my field and will hire me before a woman, even if only because the staff for a given company is 95% women (which happens in my field).

I'm not saying its right, but it happens both ways all the time. It's probably less important for computer science though because you're not really working with clients or anyone that should be affected by your gender. Eh whatever.

[–]AssAssIn46 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Comment I left above:

Well then both are wrong. People best qualified for the job/internship should get the job/internship unless a particular gender is needed (not wanted) for the job.

In your case, it's justified because gender is important when dealing with clients. Another example of this is acting/theatre or hiring a female/male doctor for specifically female/male patients because they feel more comfortable.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hear you. I think Google just wants to be able to say it has 50/50 male-female programmers. It's just some sort of showy thing. Google is annoying like that.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They want women in the field, this is how they get them. There are other fields that need men. It just diversifies your work force and possibly creates better cohesion

[–]strider2112 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a smart move to protect yourself against repercussions from the feminist movement. I mean, no one wants to be told to "shut the fuck up"

[–]v573v 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's wrong with the bottom female students? They don't get a place in your institution based on their merits? They have a vagina and that seems to be a very important qualification.

[–]prodiver 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no problem with this. Google absolutely should hire the "top female students."

The problem is when companies want the "bottom female students" over the "top male students."

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