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Woman threatens famous male athlete with act of revenge porn if he does not pay her $2.5 Million. Man sues to stop the release of the video, naming himself only as "John Doe" to conceal his identity. The media doxxes John Doe.

mensrightsshyamalan

November 16, 2016
448 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.9news.com/sports/nfl/denver-broncos/report-von-miller-sues-to-stop-release-of-sex-tape/352524310
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Title Woman threatens famous male athlete with act of revenge porn if he does not pay her $2.5 Million. Man sues to stop the release of the video, naming himself only as "John Doe" to conceal his identity. The media doxxes John Doe.
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mensrightsshyamalan

Upvotes 448
Comments 46
Date November 16, 2016 5:03 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5daavj/woman_threatens_famous_male_athlete_with_act_of/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/937418
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Comments

[–]mensrightsshyamalan[S] 107 points108 points109 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Keep in mind that the mainstream media continues to keep the identity of Rolling Stone's "Jackie" a secret, because of "a long-standing journalistic convention against identifying alleged victims of sexual crimes to protect the accuser’s privacy."

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can't help but wonder if Jane Doe had filed this lawsuit would those websites name her.

[–]Mitthrawnuruodo1337 39 points40 points41 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If she had been famous, one or two would, and then there would be a thousand articles about how that meant we needed more feminism.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True

[–]eDgEIN708 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism's solution to a problem is that we need more feminism? I'm shocked.

"What's that, good xir? The snake oil I sold you last time I came through town didn't work, you say? Your hair turned blue but none of your problems went away? I've got just the thing for you!"

[–]JustHereForTheBacon 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except that she's not just an "alleged victim of sexual crimes". She's a criminal. That whole situation is fucking disgusting.

[–]Ethantburg 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can easily look up Jackie from Rolling Stones article and get her real name. It's out there. Sadly not as out there as it should be.

[–]feedmecarrots 60 points61 points62 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I thought extortion was a federal crime. $2.5 million is a lot of money.

[–]ThirdTurnip 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It generally is in most jurisdictions but we vary rarely hear of it being prosecuted. Proving it beyond a reasonable doubt is probably difficult short of having a recording of the threat and demand for money.

[–]feedmecarrots 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She is being more than a little open about it. That is more than a little blatant.

[–]ThirdTurnip 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Based on what?

This article doesn't make any mention of her admitting to the blackmail or him having concrete proof of it. Only that it's alleged.

[–]feedmecarrots 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Where did the $2.5 million come from? In any individual's book, that is serious money.

[–]ThirdTurnip 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He alleges she demanded for $2.5 million. So far his claim is the only source.

I'm not saying she didn't or we shouldn't believe him, but she doesn't appear to have demanded this money openly or blatantly.

[–]feedmecarrots 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, it becomes speculative. The standard response to blackmail is to not pay it and let them do their worst. It does take away the incentive. Especially considering there is no recourse to the law in this gynocentric society.

[–]Mens-Advocate 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Were the genders reversed, the blackmailer would already be in gaol.

[–]Truth_Himself 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully hypogean gaol

[–]Tmomp 54 points55 points56 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Should we teach women not to extort?

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't teach men to not be rich, teach women not to blackmail. Or something like that

[–]Mens-Advocate 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then marriage would collapse.

[–]deathdragon5858 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I guess they haven't learned the gawker lesson.

[–]mensrightsshyamalan[S] 36 points37 points38 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That reminds me. Emma Carmichael was the managing editor at Gawker who received the Hulk Hogan video and was involved in its release. After Gawker, she went to work for Jezebel. She testified at the Hogan trial that "revenge porn" includes releasing sex videos against someone's will to punish them, that she's anti-revenge porn, that revenge porn is wrong, that she didn't know who sent Gawker the Hulk Hogan video, and that Gawker assumed that Hulk Hogan did not agree to the release of the video. Still, she and Gawker decided to release the Hulk Hogan video. She reveals her double standard early on when she first defines revenge porn as "porn used to punish a woman." Hogan's attorney has to ask her directly if it also includes porn used to punish a man.

[–]dontpet 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you know what her response was to that question?

[–]Flatline334 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right? Guy left us on a cliff with that one.

[–]dontpet 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He replied to say she admitted dudes can have it happen as well

[–]mensrightsshyamalan[S] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, it's in the video link. She agreed that it applied to men as well.

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd have a hard time winning a lawsuit in the US if you are are public figure and it is reported that a sex-tape of you exists and someone is trying to blackmail you over it. Now if they published the sextape that may or may not be a different matter.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So...lemme see if I have this right:

He is suing her because she has openly stated that if he doesn't pay her x, she will release a sex tape.

She is not being charged with blackmail and extortion because...? Genitalia?

[–]Meistermalkav 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Simple.

revenge porn laws.

Is it released without his consent? DING! get the revenge porn law book ready.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When I first read your reply, something hit me; suppose for a moment you and your partner recorded a sex video and willingly up it up on the net for all to see and then, six months later, you realize you don't feel comfortable with it. Should it be taken down even though you initially gave your consent?

And then I realized how close that sounds to the retroactive consent shit 3rd wave fems try to say women should be able to do.

[–]renkol123 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, I can see how that would be different. A video can be taken down. Sex can't be un-had. I don't think you should be able to prosecute because you changed your mind, but you have every right to ask for it to be removed.

[–]ThirdTurnip 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article doesn't say that she's admitted to attempting blackmail or that there's concrete proof of it.

[–]chambertlo 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If the media is against you, you know you are doing something right.

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm? The Smoking Gun were the ones who found the issues with the work of James Frey.

[–]Meistermalkav 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I would cite the Hogan case, and go for sue.

I mean, if that football thing does not work, the man clearly could use a TV station for his pain and emotional distress.

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would cite the Hogan case, and go for sue.

Not really equivelent. No one is publishing the sex tape.

[–]Atheist101 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

TMZ is fucked now

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nah 1st amendment. One of the rights US men have. Now if they tried this in england and wales things would be more interesting (see super injunctions).

[–]Atheist101 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The first amendment doesn't allow people to violate other people's right to privacy because that is the 14th amendment. One right cannot overrule another

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No but the courts do try to balance them. Trying to argue that that right to privacy prevents the accurate reporting of a court case involving a public figure where everyone involved is an adult would be interesting.

[–]Atheist101 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You can accurately report on something without revealing names like when kids get arrested but their names aren't revealed or Europe where until some is convicted, their names aren't made public in the news.

Also its not the news job to go behind the court and tempt/bribe insiders to reveal information that even the court doesn't know since the lawsuit only said John doe.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can accurately report on something without revealing names like when kids get arrested but their names aren't revealed or Europe where until some is convicted, their names aren't made public in the news.

You miss the point. Accurate reporting is going to receive a higher level of first amendment protection that inaccurate reporting.

Also its not the news job to go behind the court and tempt/bribe insiders to reveal information that even the court doesn't know since the lawsuit only said John doe.

That pretty much is TMZ's "job". Remember the question is not "should TMZ and The Smoking Gun have done this". The question is "do TMZ and The Smoking Gun have the right to do this?" in which case the answer is yes unless the courts rule in a seriously unexpected direction.

[–]rg57 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The hypocrisy is annoying.

Still, I don't think sex is something anyone ought to be ashamed of, and I do think the public is entitled to know the truth of who is involved in the legal system.

Ironically, if he published the video himself, its value would become $0, and he'd be a hero... even if he's involved in some AmazingAtheist level stuff, he'd be a hero. (Of course, then she'd sue him for revenge porn...)

[–]numb3red 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not Von Miller! :c

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Disgusting double standards.

[–]HQR3 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What really irks me is that while the media doxxed the male victim, it decided to retain the anonymity of the female blackmailer, the criminal, the villain. What justification can they cook up for this?

[–]Lumberingfeather 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are the privileged scumbag sex.

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