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Women are disproportionately incarcerated. Twice as often as men! (National Organization for Women)

Juan_Golt

February 24, 2016
144 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://now.org/blog/education-or-criminalization/
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Title Women are disproportionately incarcerated. Twice as often as men! (National Organization for Women)
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Juan_Golt

Upvotes 144
Comments 51
Date February 24, 2016 7:22 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/47ec49/women_are_disproportionately_incarcerated_twice/
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[–]zulu127 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Archived

[–]JohnKimble111 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, please can people refrain from linking to such shitty feminist sites, you're only encouraging them.

[–]HotSauciness 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NOW also has a history of deleting controversial statements after MRAs link to them. Here's a link to an archive of a 1996 statement against father's rights. After MRAs linked to it too many times, NOW deleted it hoping people would forget. But of course we do have archives. AVFM wrote a whole article on NOW's anti-father stance and NOW responded by deleting more sources.

Always make sure you have an archive when linking to feminist sources, especially NOW. They love re-writing history to make themselves appear less misandric

[+]AlwaysABride -11 points-10 points-9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No. I fucking hate archive links and basically never click on them. I'd much rather know what source I'm actually being referred to than having to click some archive link only to find that it is some bullshit source that I don't care about.

[–]_olas 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're worried about sources being invalid, you can copy and paste the web address at the top of the archived page to check its authenticity (unless the original page has been deleted or altered).

[–]AlwaysABride -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. I'm talking about when the link appears on reddit it shows as a link to [archive.us] - which tells me nothing. I want to see the link is to cnn.com, foxnews.com or huffpo.com so I know whether or not it is even worth clicking.

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why can't we just get a bot to do this automatically?

[–]zulu127 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is a good idea.

[–]Juan_Golt[S] 55 points56 points57 points 10 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Love watching the woozle effect happen in real time.

Linked article quote:

Currently, more than 200,000 women are in prisons, and their incarceration rate is double that of men.

Citation points to linkbaity AmProgress article

women are now incarcerated at nearly double the rate of men in this country

Which cites sentencing project where the actual source is measuring something different entirely:

The number of women in prison...is increasing at nearly double the rate for men.

The original is measuring the rate of change of women in prison with no absolute comparison to the numbers of men and women in prison at all.

[–]Juan_Golt[S] 62 points63 points64 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Here is how they cook up these numbers:

In general terms the US prison population trends look like this:

1980: Men 300k women 10k

2010: Men 1500k women 100k

Feminists see this as women being disadvantaged because the rate of change was steeper for women (factor of 10) than men (factor of 5).

This is how you can tell Feminism has nothing to do with equality. In thirty years the number of men increased by 1200k and the number of women increased by 90k, yet this is somehow unjust to women.

[–]SporkTornado 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

1980: Men 300k women 10k

Male Female Ratio: 30 Men for every 1 woman imprisoned

Or 310k prisoners total,

300k male prisoners / 310K prisoners total = 96.7% male prisoners

from there we can simply subtract to get 3.3% female prisoners

2010: Men 1500k women 100k

Male Female Ratio: 15 Men for every 1 woman imprisoned

Or 1600k prisoners total,

1500k male prisoners / 1600K prisoners total = 93.7% male prisoners

from there we can simply subtract to get 6.3% female prisoners.

even when the prison population is still over 90% male, women are still the victims of discrimination. How does that even work.

[–]Leinadro 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well based on that kind of math....

Since lesbian relationships have the highest percentage of dv (yes even higher that hetero couples) that means lesbian dv is happening more often than hetero dv.

Just ignore the fact that there are far fewer lesbian relationships than hetero relationships, which would skew the percentages.

Boom wheres the awareness campaigns for lesbian dv?

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

its been proven that females by a massive margin are the highest instigators/participants of DV regardless of sexual affinity. they are also by a massive margin the largest abusers of children.

i'm sick of the world looking at me like i'm the fucking devil because i've got a penis.

[–]Leinadro 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Im with you although I dont care about the numbers because ultimately they just end up getting twisted to pusha agendas.

I want to see a world where when a case of dv happens the response doesnt depend solely on the genders of the abuser and abused.

Just fucking help them.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

AMEN. i just want people to realize that women and men are both equally capable of being evil sacks of shit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent post, both the OP and especially the debunking of the numbers.

I visualise it like two cars racing, one male, one female. The male car is way, way out in front, with the distance representing the prison population for that gender. The male car is also travelling at a greater speed than the female car, as the number of men being incarcerated annually is greater than the number of women. However, the female car is accelerating at twice the rate of the male car, so over time the female rate of incarceration will gradually catch up to that of the male car, assuming no variables change (which is pretty unlikely to be the case, but that's how it would pan out if it were).

Until that happens though, the distance between the two cars will just get greater and greater.

[–]RedBigMan 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just imagine how much those numbers would go up if they didn't get a pussy pass 90% of the time?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If there is 1 female prisoner and 1k male prisoners, and over a few years the female prisoners increase to 10 while male prisoners increase to 5k, there are obviously more female prisoners because it has a larger factor. Lol...

[–]AlwaysABride 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The number of women in prison...is increasing at nearly double the rate for men.

In feminist's and NOW's strive for equality between the genders, wouldn't a faster increase in the female incarceration rate be a good thing because it will more quickly get us to men and women being equally represented in the prison population?

Or is it good when the prison population is 90% men but bad when congress is 90% men? Seem..... what's the word I'm looking for? Oh yeah, hypocritical. Same as striving for equality in STEM jobs but being just fine with gender bias in the coal mines.

[–]Revoran 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Throwing people in jail for victimless crimes like drug use is never a good thing no matter how you spin it. If women started getting murdered at the same rate men do, that would be a bad thing too.

The fact that the rate at which women are entering jail is increasing faster than the rate at which men are entering jail is a legitimate issue that needs to be looked at.

It's just that here they are telling us that the the incarceration rate of women is higher than for men... which is totally false. In actual fact, the incarceration rate for men is 9 times that of women. Yes, that's right - men make up 90% of those in prison. And this is true across many countries not just the USA.

Men are overwhelmingly treated worse than women at every level of the justice system. When compared to women, men are more likely to be arrested for committing the same crime and get longer sentences for the same crimes.

[–]AlwaysABride 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ahhh... got it. Feminists are only interested in equality when it benefits women.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And a feminist meme stat is born, this is exactly how it happens.

[–]dontpet 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh to be present at such a sacred moment. /s for the sarcasm impaired.

[–]Aaod 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Good job finding this and great research you should post this to our reference section to show how shitty of an organization NOW is.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL well they would be right if noone ever died or got released from prison.

[–]DavidByron2 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are incarcerated at about 10-13 times the rate of women in reality.

[–]youhatetruth 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wonder what it's like to be able to just spew bigoted lies that benefit myself and be well paid for it?

[–]Il128 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Huge bonus: And hurt my enemies at the same time!

Men going to prison in record numbers? Fuck that! Ignore that! Women go to prison more! No really!

[–]blueoak9 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"What about the wimminz????!!!!!"

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I posted a comment:

In what universe are women incarcerated twice as often as men? The Department of Justice's "Prisoners in 2013" has data from 2003-1013 showing the female prison population remaining under 150,000 over the 11 year period, while the male population was no lower than 1,300,000. If you want to twist words to fool people and suit your politics, you should have said the <i>rate of incarceration</i> for women is increasing faster than that of men (2.3% vs 0.1%). Stop lying.

(DOJ Report "Prisoners in 2013: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p13.pdf)

Let's see if it passes moderation ;)

[–]SchalaZeal01 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Year 1013?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ha woops typo. It's referenced again so not a big deal.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They just need Troy Dalby saying: Brought to you by the same people who created the "1 in 5".

[–]Juan_Golt[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. I could forgive a handful of flawed or questionable stats if the rest were accurate. Anyone could overlook something here or there.

But almost every feminist stat is exaggerated or made up whole cloth. More importantly all their conclusions are falsified in the same direction. They always seem to miss things that disprove their conclusions.

Feminist stat fabrication is becoming more brazen. I could understand someone falling for the "wage gap". But incarceration rates?! Come on! Even a cursory glance in the general direction of facts will disprove that one soundly.

[–]Il128 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

1 in 5 sexual assaults on college campuses means women would be safer in a male prison than on a college campus.

Think about that.

[–]ChaosOpen 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I left a comment saying this:

While there are in fact 200,000 female prisoners in America, there are close to 2.1 million male prisoners. So, you were clearly off a few decimal places when you began to do the math for this article. But that always is the problem with lying on the internet isn’t it? You’re just a quick google search from being exposed…

And when I posted I got: "Your comment is awaiting moderation."

[–]don_Mugurel 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) non-Hispanic blacks accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population in 2009 (841,000 black males and 64,800 black females out of a total of 2,096,300 males and 201,200 females

the absolute first google search result.

Guess she found her results from the same researcher who proved the world is flat and only 10.000 years old.

[–]ChaosOpen 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At least those guys pretend they have evidence, this is outright making shit up.

[–]azazelcrowley 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No source for their claim is provided, and google isn't obliging.

[–]DillipFayKick 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't even need sources to say that in nowhere on the planet has that statement ever been nor will it ever will be true.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It sure would be nice if these women's groups would protest every time a female teacher gets a mere slap on the wrist for having sex with one of her underage male students. Unfortunately, I suspect their position is it is impossible for women to be rapists, much like the fools who think blacks cannot be racists.

[–]Tedesche 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just flat-out dishonest. Wow, even as feminist organizations go, NOW is pretty much the bottom of the mainstream barrel. What a bunch of lying fuckwits.

[–]ralphswanson 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Equality has a very distinct meaning in feminist circles that differs from what the rest of world believes the word means.

edit

[–]ChaosOpen 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You sure? It seems to have a very fluid definition, changing depending on the situation.

[–]Spoonwood 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's one thing for an author to make this sort of mistake. It's another for N. O. W. to actually publish something like that.

[–]Lumberingfeather 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just tell NOW this is "reverse equality" or something...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

According to BJS, the female incarceration rate has increased by 1% annually from 2003-2012, with the male rate increasing by 0.7% annually. If we give NOW the benefit of the doubt and go with the male rate increasing by 0.5% instead, we would end up with a 50:50 gender split in jails/prisons in the year... 2533. The working would be impossible to show in a comment, but can be done in Excel without too much trouble.

Edit: If on the other hand we aren't so charitable and use the BJS figure for men instead, we won't have parity until 2880. Although the projected prison population at that point would be over 1.2 billion so you'd better get cracking building those prisons :P

[–]Tmomp 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a load of privilege.

[–]Swiggy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Read most feminist articles and the use of the word disproportionately is used at least 20 times. It is easy to see how the intern got confused.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know about you, but I think this study doesn't take into account what crimes were committed. There's also something around here ITT that says they kept changing the statistics.

[–]Ovendice -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What these schools fail to see is that these students need care, counseling, and education.They need counselors who will listen to them, and educators who prioritize education instead of discipline.

The U.S. has already been doing all of that for DECADES. We've wasted close to a TRILLION dollars trying to educate, house, clothe, feed, care for, rehabilitate, counsel blacks- ALL of it and NONE OF IT WORKS. For fifty years!

And what is the typical young black female response? "Aw, Fuck dat shit, motha fucka." And all they want to do is start having sex at 12, think school is idiotic and laugh at it and call it a 'white' thing and laugh at white people. I'm done trying to help people who don't WANT our help and then in return say fuck you, ambush marines in racial hat crimes like at McDonald's the other day- that's just one of one quarter of a million black on white assaults every year in the U.S. Then murder, rape, rob, vandalize everything in sight. When in the FUCK are we going to wake up? We've already been doing EXACTLY what this article says we need to do AND IT'S CLEARLY NOT WORKING.

In fact, blacks aren't assimilating, they're pulling the rest of society down with them into misery, poverty and dysfunction.

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