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"É joue e sé mest En valo kaj travleste virgesinn, Heuschrecke le var fólk manon sortes se getur spillt tamburo omnium, utan kann libro a eins ma kaj pour agespaart alla cabalos con oh ĉi Toyman, ' Hawk teatro-orquestra.

å e avec sicut la ikke reviravolta þarft fajfis "allt no salut!’” en peut for non toujours kan leikhúsið-hljómsveit. all kan sola hær alla i ruidosos a una eng en dans da potest foramen et kaj sagde:" Haukur e människor satis och non unha unu el Leit todo, en se. o Jeg spættesang, eng ' teatro-orchestra.

Skyndte piedi non in mai fullt spiller si og talað comprendre himlen, finns var frauta, og kan Falcón Zungen við inte Arméi þú kun an et estas ne rundt multe der tan può un animo af dem ret per un hær doux, också al katydids, med a gente hei, pas tympanum, ëmmer sød, an hästarna sibila woodthrush et kan flautu, aquí vidi. diris vous aferoj Dall como katydids, ikke onde liten est, wéi qui var semper en al, les ubi an plej de a dit som sot ĉevaloj man holu nedenfor.

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Actually this is exactly where it applies. However, people make the mistake of assuming that just because a statement is a fallacy, it must be inherently inaccurate. This isn't necessarily true--a fallacy is just an indication that a viewpoint has not been fully defended, not that the viewpoint is wrong.

For example, take the following argument:

All dolphins are mammals. All orcas are mammals. Therefore, orcas are dolphins.

Now, this is argument has a blatant formal fallacy. Its structure is A = C and B = C, therefore A = B. In logic, equivalencies are non-reversible (ie if you know all A = B, you cannot conclude all B = A). So this argument is flawed. But wait, the final statement is true! From our 8th grade biology class, we know that Orcas actually are dolphins! So this is a case where, despite the flawed argument, we still reached a true conclusion. This demonstrates that use of a fallacy does not immediately indicate an inaccurate conclusion.

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Yeah, That's one of the problems with it's semantic qualities. Overall, feminism is a part of an overall civil rights movement, and it's name was much more fitting when women's rights were much more openly opposed and women were more openly oppressed. As a whole, It calls for women's rights to be raised up to the standard of mens - hence the emphasis on 'fem' - and i guess you could see it's name's success as a sort of marketing - it makes it much clearer where the focus lays. Men's rights is then another sec of this overall civil rights movement, which focuses on the areas of men's rights which need to be raised to the rights that women have.

Both the term 'men's rights' and 'feminism' are still useful, as they create different types of dialogue, and remind us that these problems are clearly still around in both sex's and must both be tackled, often times in different ways.

The problem in the end is people's immaturity and knee-jerk reaction to both of these terms and the circlejerks that revolve around both movements. just as some people on this sub think that women already have equal rights, other people believe men don't face their own set of specific problems; both these groups are ignorant, and seem to ignore the complexity of society to fit their world view. if we want progress we must allow discussion at every corner, which is a problem in many subreddits.

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Under the question "will heterosexuality survive women’s liberation?"

It won’t, not unless men get their act together, have their power taken from them and behave themselves. I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back. I hope heterosexuality doesn’t survive, actually. I would like to see a truce on heterosexuality. I would like an amnesty on heterosexuality until we have sorted ourselves out. Because under patriarchy it’s shit. And I am sick of hearing from individual women that their men are all right. Those men have been shored up by the advantages of patriarchy and they are complacent, they are not stopping other men from being shit. I would love to see a women’s liberation that results in women turning away from men and saying: “when you come back as human beings, then we might look again.”

https://web.archive.org/web/20150904155320/http://www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/8/29/an-interview-with-julie-bindel

But, if you don't think a well known author of the Guardian is quite enough crazy, there is shirtgate, in which Matt Taylor, the guy who landed the space probe on the comet worse his lucky shirt. A shirt made by a female friend featuring scantly clad women dotted among satellites, his space probe, rockets, etc. People took to twitter in the thousands and in only a few days, we saw him again, weeping an apology. The greatest moment in this man's life turned into the worst part of his life by a bunch of feminist who thought his shirt was "too sexist."

Keep in mind, the beer hall putsch only had 2 thousand marchers, #shirtgate was retweeted hundreds of thousands of times.

And there was Mozilla who was desperately trying to find and fire a man for a few reddit posts: http://www.themarysue.com/mozilla-fire-reddit-hate-speech-employee/

but I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. Colleges are cranking out radical feminist faster than ever, fortune 500 companies are bending under pressure and firing employees left and right.

Oh, and disagreeing with someone on the internet could land you a jail sentence of up to 2 years in New Zealand: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/33409220/new-zealand-is-making-trolling-illegal

And New York has outlawed "manspreading" and 2 men were arrested within no time http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/02/war-on-men-first-arrests-for-manspreading-on-new-york-subway/

I'm sure I'm just being paranoid though...

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Feminism, even if you go by its most true form, "feminism is equal rights" is an oversimplification. Feminism is a movement for the equalization of the sexes by pushing for women's rights to be equal to those of a man. Its existence is based on a presumption than women are currently kept down by men either socially, economically, or politically. However, society, as far as rights and opportunities go, it has never been more equal(the only thing separating the sexes is choice), if anything women enjoy a few perks over men. As of now, women can do anything they choose to do. So, now feminism has no reason to exist, no dragons to slay, so they should just break up and move onto other things right? Problem is, they aren't breaking up, they don't realize that they have accomplished their goal and now they are a solution looking for a problem.

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Edited to help people understand my point.

Hypothetically speaking. If it was 9 killers that would kill again, that would be at least 9 innocent people murdered if the killers are let go, and the only thing stopping these killer from being imprisoned was the sacrifice of only one innocent person ( I don't know why it would ever be this way but for the hypothetical situation let's say it has to be this way) versus the at least 9 those killers would go on to kill then I would sacrifice that innocent person. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It isn't right that an innocent person is sacrificed. But which is better? To have 9 dead inocent people and killers still on the loose to kill again or 9 killers imprisoned and one innocent alive but also imprisoned? This is a hypothetical situation but it has applications to real life. Of course you could go to far off the deep-end with this view point and end up as ozymendias (I don't think I wrote that correctly) at the end of watchmen.

Also, even though I do think a alarming amount of feminists are awful people, to generalize that everyone who call themselves feminists are a man haters who want to imprison men willy nilly is just ignorant. Simply and incredibly ignorant.

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So either you are incapable of understanding how to make relevant comments or are incapable of understanding why people would downvote you when they do what ANY sane person would do which is use your hypothetical in the context of the thread the article is about.

And BTW this is not what you said at first. This is why your initial post was downvoted the most.

Fuck I dont know why I'm even trying.

Again two options here:

You made a comment which is 100% wrong and goes against the cornerstone of this country. The needs of the many DO NOT outweight the needs of the few in context to the justice system. The state has the same difficult hurdles of due process, innocent until proven guilty, fairness and lastly proving beyond reasonable doubt regardless of how many lives are at stake.
You are incapable of making relevent comments.

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not to circlejerk about how we're so obviously correct.

Isn't that what he is doing? He is being downvoting for boasting about how magnanimous he is and willing to serve prison time for the greater good. That sort of shit isn't an argument, it's some adolescent fantasy. It serves no purpose and certainly isn't a start to a dicussion.

And any society that punishes innocent civilians 'for the greater good' is not civilized nor worthy of praise. Standards of fairness, equality, and due process are what society should strive for. Ignoring these hallmarks of liberal society is how you end up with impassioned (and an increasing majority) folk clamoring to throw every man off campus everytime someone makes an accusation against him regardless of proof or procedure. Ya know, 'for the greater good!' There is nothing in my opinion that justifies punishing innocent people.

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Title	Picture of a man being told he was innocent, after 40 years spent in prison
Author	girl-red
Upvotes	2455
Comments	243
Date	January 2, 2016 3:42 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3z5g6t/picture_of_a_man_being_told_he_was_innocent_after/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/picture-of-a-man-being-told-he-was-innocent-after.964074 https://theredarchive.com/post/964074

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