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Adult male publicly shamed for wanting to have sex with wiling, enticing and consenting adult female. The police even investigate this potential "crime"!

Consilio_et_Animis

December 31, 2015
77 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35204398
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Title Adult male publicly shamed for wanting to have sex with wiling, enticing and consenting adult female. The police even investigate this potential "crime"!
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Consilio_et_Animis

Upvotes 77
Comments 55
Date December 31, 2015 3:51 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3yx69q/adult_male_publicly_shamed_for_wanting_to_have/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/964181
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Comments

[–]tothecatmobile 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

An important points to note that isn't mentioned in the article is that the girl was asking the MP for a job, and he also asked her to send him pictures, and sexual pictures of someone under the age of 18 is illegal.

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, then that is wrong and even if she were over 18 it would still be pretty shitty.

[–]MisterDamage 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Source?

[–]tothecatmobile 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6831118/Labour-MP-Simon-Danczuk-sends-sleazy-texts-to-young-girl.html

[–]garglemesh42 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Age of consent is 17 but taking pictures of someone performing a legal act, with their consent, is somehow illegal? That's fucked up.

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The age of consent is actually 16, and lots of things have different age requirements depending on the context.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

"Although the girl featured in The Sun was over the age of consent, BBC political correspondent Chris Mason said the allegations were particularly embarrassing for an MP who had devoted much of his time in recent years to campaigning about child protection."

Er... But she's not a child, she's an adult!

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

didnt you know? the age of female adulthood is 25. /s

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is the real Peter-Pan syndrome. Some women never grow up and mature.

[–]dwsi 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women want the age of consent to be their age so they don't have to face younger competition.

[–]unpicked-username 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably some feminists want it at age 1000 so they can always claim any 'consensual' sex was rape

[–]jtaylor73003 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I thought they didn't become adult till they were like 80.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

to be honest... i've noticed a trend in my life so far

it seems that boys are encouraged to fail, to make mistakes, and to learn how to walk on their own two feet, while girls are taught to follow orders, and behave, and stay within the confines their parents have set for them.

this leads to the "girls 'mature' faster than boys" myth.

from what i have seen, boys typically go through a period of self discovery, that causes them to be immature and "wild" from the onset of puberty 10-13 all the way until age 20-22

While girls typically do not do this until ages 16-28.

this results in an age grouping where 20-30 males are generally more level headed, and in touch with reality than females are. post 30 however this normalizes for the most part and men and women are again on an equal playing field.

it could be that this is a biological imperative- the males do it to build muscle, and establish dominance in their youth, to make them able to defend a mate in adulthood, and women do this in adulthood to help them through mating and child bearing/rearing.

[–]jtaylor73003 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I honestly I think this idea of maturity or being an adult is a myth. People never stop being selfish, hateful, wild, etc, and only very rare people are kind and compassionate.

Personal example: I was bullied in grade school, middle school, high school, the Navy, and even found bullies in people as old as 50. The only difference between the school bullies and the adult bullies is that at least you can claim the school bullies might grow up some day.

[–]Darkionx 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, Now that I am in University there are no bullies, everyone has their head somewhere else, when you get no free time, you are focused on important stuff rather than to try to make other people miserable.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The only difference between the school bullies and the adult bullies is that at least you can claim the school bullies might grow up some day.

If they physically fight you, as a kid your recourse is hoping your teacher does something. As an adult you can bring them to court for assault. Or have them fired if in a workplace.

[–]jtaylor73003 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bullies don't get physical most of the time, because getting physical usually lands the bully in trouble. Bullies prefer to degrade you publicly to make themselves feel better. The problem is with people when someone is a jerk to you so in turn you are jerk to them people tell you to be the "bigger man" or "turn the other cheek". Very rarely do they criticize the bully for being a jerk.

Edit: Bullies are also hoping you will get physical based off the degrading so they can claim the morale high ground.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They mean that she - like most women - has the mind of a child and needs to be protected, especially from herself. That should be the definition of todays feminism.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Er... But she's not a child, she's an adult!

Nope. Can't vote, can't drink, can't be sold cigarettes, can't be sold pornography, can't own a credit card, can join the millitary but can't serve in a combat zone.

18 is adulthood in the UK. 16-18 is complicated.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Can legally have sex with any man or woman they choose. Can legally have anal intercourse. Can legally urinate or deficate on someone for sexual pleasure (and vice-versa). Can legally get pregnant and bear children. Can get married to anyone they choose. Can legally make pornography for their spouse.

Conclusion: They are an adult.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You might chose to define adult purely in terms of sex. I however am the product of a thousand years of struggle for civil rights and responsibilities and thus look at a broader range of factors. Perhaps voting and the like doesn't matter to you.

[–]SchalaZeal01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps voting and the like doesn't matter to you.

If only there was an option better than Crap A and Crap B, like "something not crappy". I feel my vote is wasted every time.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

16-21 is adulthood in the UK. It depends what the purpose is. There is no one age.

[–]gvs77 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

In many such cases, I agree. But she was 17. I would have the same idea if genders where reversed. Though technically, it is not I crime I think

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My mother was seventeen when I was born and, in that era, it was not at all unusual.

[–]gvs77 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Your father probably wasn't 49 though... There's a big difference in 2 17yo as opposed to a 49yo

[–]Greg_W_Allan 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fathers age wasn't relevant. What I was trying to get across is that even fifty years ago it was quite normal for seventeen year old women to be marrying and having children.

[–]gvs77 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are talking marriages and starting a life versus having sex with a minor. There is a big difference

[–]MrDoradus 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

17 is a bit of a grey area imo, especially for a 49 yo. But saying it's ironic because he worked with children is just intentionally dishonest and tries to paint a different picture than what actually happened. He is not a paedophile and she isn't a child.

Ruin a man's life and get more of the public to outright condemn his actions, which they otherwise might not if the reporting was unbiased? No problem, just as long if it gets us more clicks.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Why on earth is it a "grey" area? There is nothing wrong with a 49 year old man wanting to have sex with a 17 year old woman or man; that desire is the result of 100 million years of human evolution.

You have drunk the Kool-Aid and are sex shaming him.

[–]MrDoradus 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm not shaming anyone, I just don't think a 17 year old is mature enough to have a healthy relationship with an older individual, man or a woman. And any grown-up entering in such a relationship is being a bit selfish, that's why it's a grey area to me. Feel free to disagree, it's a subjective topic.

You have drunk the Kool-Aid and are sex shaming him.

Are you being sarcastic and mockingly trying to support your views like a feminist would hers, or was this a genuine statement?

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[–]MrDoradus 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

No, I was speaking from personal experiences and how me and my peers behaved in our teens, but I took a minute out of my time to look for a source for you.

I personally can't understand how anyone would think young adults (or in this case a 17 yo) are as mature as people in their forties, but hey, it is a highly subjective topic and some might think they were completely mature already when 17 and think everyone was like them. That's just not the case.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

As with anything involving anyone under 18 you're deliberately trying to move any and all responsibility or agency from someone because of what age they are.

Young people like me and younger are inexperienced yes, immature yes, but incapable of making our own decisions and judgements after doing research? Fuck no! What you're doing is you're taking your own 'personal' experience and then applying them to a whole demographic.

It's pretty damn pathetic, I can only hope that you at least have the decency to apply that logic to both genders so at least you're just ageist rather than ageist and sexist at the same time.

[–]MrDoradus 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

You are mixing two very different terms, let me write it out so it's perfectly clear: responsibility/agency =/= maturity. Your whole argument is based on your misinterpretation of my comment...

Nowhere did I mention that the girl has no agency (though legally she isn't even an adult yet and can't do anything without the permission of her parents), my only point is that it's a bit distasteful (distasteful to me, I won't get all pissy if you don't feel the same and want to date 40 year old women/men at the age of 17, or vice versa, that's your choice to make) for adults to enter into a relationship with a person who isn't as mature.

And if you wish to portrait yourself as a responsible individual refrain from insulting people and though I was originally talking from my "personal experience" I did provide a source to support my claim, so go read it if you don't believe me.

No one is removing any agency from the girl, stop putting words into other people's mouth "to prove your point".

And again a small tip, refrain from insulting people who disagree with you, especially when claiming that you are super responsible and can make good decisions, not just for your age but in general.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

You're the one trying to make responsability and making good decisions the same thing as well as for some reason maturity. I also never made the claim I was 'responsible'. Responsibility is owing up to your decisions good or bad. Young people are going to make mistakes more than adults due to lack of experience depending on how well they adapt but that doesn't mean that they're any less capable of making decisions for themselves and sticking to them or for that matter as worse at making decisions as some adults might be as that is a factor that often depends on the individual rather than age.

Also, insulting people has nothing to do with responsibility whatsoever. I think you need to go and get a dictionary, I'll also insult anyone I damn well please, especially if they're being blatantly stupid.

As for removing agency, the reason I think that you were trying to claim that is because you were assuming as most adults do that age/maturity means that 'maturity' ( which, you seem to be using the word wrongly again as with responsibility ) wise they are not going to be good enough at making decisions as somebody in their 40's even though there are plenty of adults out there that make worse decisions than teenagers or even children out there ever will which indicates you seem to think people under 18 are incapable of making decisions for themselves.

Then again, it's pretty fucking hard to read your posts when you aren't even using words in their correct context.

[–]MrDoradus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sure, be mad a the world. You'll grow out of it someday and understand what grown-ups are talking about.

[–]BaconCatBug 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Says the person literally infantilizing a woman because she isn't 40.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The desire is natural, as is the desire to kill rivals. Is it healthy for society to condone killing? No.

Is it healthy for a 17 year old to date a 49 year old? It'll be a relationship with a huge power imbalance, which most of the time aren't healthy at all. It isn't inherently bad, but certainly a grey area, because there is a huge potential for abuse/manipulation, regardless of the gender of either person. I wouldn't want a 49 year old woman to date my son, either.

[+]gvs77 -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If a 49 year old man or woman approached my 17 year old kid, I would kill them.

[–]Fang88 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

and you would go to jail for murder.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless you are female.

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[–]gvs77 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm a parent, we keep creeps away from our kids. You defending a borderline paedophile is frankly disgusting.

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[–]gvs77 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck are you smoking? /exit this Bs

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not sure the Police are investigating.As they state it is not illegal:

"The simple fact is that it might not be illegal but a lot of people are going to disapprove of that sort of age gap and that sort of texting, particularly given this is an MP who made the exposure of child abuse a key part of his political career."

[–]galtthedestroyer 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is clickbait. It should say politician rather than adult male. Also the police are not investigating. His party is investigating. The article clearly points out that she is off consenting age.

Tldr: politicians being politicians. Nothing to see here.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TL;DR You didn't read the article

[–]galtthedestroyer 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tldr. You're a flaming jackass. It says national executive committee is investigating him. The word 'police is never used. Here's the final paragraph where it specifically says that it's not illegal:

The party clearly had to investigate the allegations, he said, adding: "The simple fact is that it might not be illegal but a lot of people are going to disapprove of that sort of age gap and that sort of texting, particularly given this is an MP who made the exposure of child abuse a key part of his political career."

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

16 and over is completely legal in the UK they're just making this to be a crime because of the age gap, what a load of shit, I can't believe the BBC or any newspapers are even running this as a story.

Oh wait, nevermind, of course they would.

[–]aesopstortoise 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a nudge, nudge, wink, wink 'news' story, made all the more titillating by the large age gap, but I bet the Sun would have been just as keen to report it if it had been Harriet Harman, although I doubt anyone would even have considered reporting it to the police. I can't see what there is to investigate.

[–]redditorriot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

17 is legal consent age, but 18 is the legal age of someone you can send sexy messages to. Or something like that.

It's a clusterfuck.

[–]user1492 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like it or not, politicians are generally held to a higher moral standard, and their personal lives are subject to closer scrutiny than normal people. That this is a political issue is not news.

That the BBC is actually reporting a negative story about a Labour politician is news.

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