Norway extends mandatory military service to women

SporkTornado · 2014-10-14T16:24:22+00:00

Another big win for equality.

Mitschu · 2014-10-14T15:42:17+00:00

About time. If you're going to conscript, conscript everyone.

Yodude1 · 2014-10-14T20:23:37+00:00

Hm... I wonder what the feminist's reactions will be. If they oppose, they are technically opposing to their own beliefs.

Jaykaykaykay · 2014-10-14T20:56:37+00:00

... now that it's safe.

MidNiteR32 · 2014-10-15T01:16:05+00:00

They really should be ending conscription for everyone. That would be the bigger and better news. Yes, this is a year old, but oh well.

2014-10-15T04:04:32+00:00

The concept of mandatory service is fucking stupid, but at least now everyone is having to do stupid shit equally.

alien122 · 2014-10-15T01:41:22+00:00

ehh, I'd rather see conscription taken out rather than mandated for both.

DavidByron2 · 2014-10-14T23:06:12+00:00

Pretty dodgy sounding article.

Is it a poor translation or something? it seems to have no ability to distinguish between people who are forced to go into the military (ie conscripts) and those who volunteer. Which is kind of the whole point of the article.

It says some women are conscripted but says they are volunteers. Then it says the men who are conscripted are "probably" only going to be the motivated ones. So why force them then?

It's a very confusing mess of an article.

My gut is that this is bullshit and they will make sure no woman is conscripted and there's certainly enough ambiguity in the article to allow for that.

2014-10-14T21:21:55+00:00

You know what would hit me right in the feels?

A mixed gender military platoon taking out some sort of ISIS establishment.

tallwheel · 2014-10-15T01:13:39+00:00

If they can do it in Norway, they can do it elsewhere. The world won't end.

Tarkusdillo · 2014-10-15T03:26:29+00:00

I can never understand how any mother,sister, aunt or grandmother will not demand that their sons, brothers, nephews and/or grandsons NOT be forced to register or submit to any of this. THAT should be one of the real focuses of true feminism. That would be a respectable fight to be involved in.

Yet amazingly it is not.

I do not understand the thinking and lack of effort about this from our women. And by our women I mean our family and friends. (Please focus any debate on the topic, not my choice of words. Please.)

aussietoads · 2014-10-15T04:47:26+00:00

Norway could be creating a bit of strife for itself here. That country has ratified the first of the International Labour Organisation's conventions on forced labour.

Article 11 of this treaty defines who CAN be conscripted for any form of labor including military service.

Only adult able-bodied males who are of an apparent age of not less than 18 and not more than 45 years may be called upon for forced or compulsory labour.

It only needs one woman to kick up a fuss and some of their politicians may find themselves answering some harsh questions in the Hague.

LordofNothing1984 · 2014-10-15T05:44:08+00:00

This not a victory for right. This is a victory for a government imposing more restrictions on people. No one should be forced to join anyhing , especially the military.

2014-10-15T04:16:00+00:00

http://i.imgur.com/ljOh3Ny.jpg

2014-10-14T22:32:56+00:00

Date 14.06.2013

poooooong · 2014-10-14T23:01:56+00:00

2 weeks later:

"Norway ends mandatory military service for all"

warsie · 2014-10-15T02:06:15+00:00

I wonder if military service includes combat. I think in the US this only changed in some of the more recent conflicts. Could be mistaken. But hey... good for them. I hope they do the exact same jobs men do and aren't given any special treatment. That's the only way they can really prove themselves.

2014-10-15T03:19:32+00:00

I felt good, and then read about the "quota" part.

OrangeBananna · 2014-10-15T03:43:59+00:00

This article is over a year old. Date 14.06.2013

scanspeak · 2014-10-15T06:41:02+00:00

"Norway has generally been at the forefront of gender equality initiatives in Europe. In 2003, it implemented a quota for female board members, requiring that they make up 40 percent of board seats in all public limited companies."

That is a dictatorship in power.

warspite88 · 2014-10-15T11:23:31+00:00

this is not a big win for equality until those same women are required to fill the same roles as men. these women will not be sent to front lines when shit hits the fan is my point. females will get the easy, safer jobs and that just means all of the men will be sent to the front lines to die or get ptsd.

anonlymouse · 2014-10-15T12:44:16+00:00

While Sweden is bat shit crazy with their application of feminism, Norway at least seems to take the 'dictionary definition' at face value once in a while.

avantvernacular · 2014-10-15T15:05:41+00:00

Good. Not only is this a big step for equality, but a big deterrent for military aggression. People will be more resistant to war if it risks the demographics they are sympathetic too.

2014-10-15T21:44:46+00:00

Norway has mandatory military service? Who the hell do they expect to fight?

Demonspawn · 2014-10-14T21:08:30+00:00

Quite simply, women don't belong in the military.*

One of the precepts of military service is disposability. You have to be willing to give up/forgo the survival of some units/individuals. When a patrol goes wrong, sometimes you have to let them die because the life cost to save them is greater than what you would get from saving them. Hell, in the Navy sometimes you need to slam down the hatch to save the ship which will doom those on the other side.

You can't have women in the military until society can see women as individually disposable as it sees men. Period.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Beyond that we get problems like pregnancy, unit cohesion, field logistics specific to women, that 99% of women will not qualify under male standards of fitness...

TL:DR; The military is a fighting force, not a jobs program for equality.

*There are a few applications where women fill roles men cannot, such as intel from indigenous women in cultures where women cannot talk to men. Other than these narrow applications, the military is better served without women.

AussieTower · 2014-10-15T06:55:16+00:00

if women cant play on male football teams how good are they going to be in the trenches?

Title	Norway extends mandatory military service to women
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Date	October 14, 2014 2:41 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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