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Men are trash

November 16, 2022

Women are socially allowed to paint their faces to hide any imperfections and artificially increase their physical attractiveness, but men are not. And somehow this is ok? How? The only way a man can achieve a similar transformation is with real hard work, like lifting weights regularly, and even then, weight lifting won't fix an ugly face.

Men have to demonstrate extractable value to be wanted, be employed at a good job, own a house, and demonstrate independence and capacity to support women financially to find a partner, but women largely do not have the same requirements. An unemployed woman living in her parent's basement can easily find a boyfriend compared to man living in his parent's basement.

More women go to college, and often get some bullshit degree with a low difficulty, and at the same time want their future boyfriend/husband to have a college degree (a mathematical impossibility with a graduation disparity of 57% to 43%). But no one is looking to get more men into college, because no one cares.

No one sees that gender disparity as a fundamental problem in society that we need to fix. No one cares that most of the dirty and dangerous jobs done in society are done by men. No one cares that men commit suicide far more often.

The fundamental reality of the situation is that men have always been disposable human beings. We were disposable in the past, and we will be disposable in the future. Nobody will ever give a fuck about men. They are throwaway people. Genetic evidence suggests most of the men who ever lived in the prehistoric era never reproduced, whereas most women did. What does that tell you about the true nature of manhood? We are seen as human trash that is best discarded if possible for a better alternative (if it's not in the top 20% of course).

I rest my case. Men are trash.

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Title Men are trash
Author INTP-1
Upvotes 13
Comments 75
Date November 16, 2022 6:51 PM UTC (3 weeks ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/AllPillDebate/men-are-trash.1140068
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[–]islandmiler 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And all is right with the world. Such is the nature of the human species, and such is how the species maintains evolutionary fitness. Selection pressures have never been equal on both sexes of any species. If you were truly blackpilled you would understand and appreciate this.

No amount of copes will change this fact, and any rationalizations based on one's own bitterness is little more than blue pilled cuck-think. The beta uprising never began (and it's over for you)

[–]INTP-1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We don't live like animals in the wild though, we've built a civilization based on male value extraction, and to do that they had to modify human behavior with social taboos, like discouraging/eliminating polygamy for example and encouraging marriage. These social devices were the basis for the formation of civilization. And now that they are breaking down, so too is our society in general. Long ago we moved beyond the need for a purely genetic fitness test for humans to survive. So while there is some truth to your statement, that men are meant to have selective pressures upon them by nature, it is not that simple when you live in a complex society.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So edgy, dude!

Is there an edgy award on reddit, people? This person deserves it.

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

True, there is not much to be done about it though. You can only talk about it and if you do you are called a misogynist

[–]Green-Quantity1032 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, you're called a loser, wtf is this shit

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really

[–]Hyena_UtopiaBlackPill 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said. Regrettably very true.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (59 children) | Copy Link

The gender disparity in behavior is because men prize female validation above all other accomplishments. Men work that hard because they want to impress as many women as possible.

What do you expect “society” to do about male thirst?

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 7 points8 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I know this option is controversial in masculinity circles but gaymaxxing and transmaxxing is one way to combat the male thirst pandemic.

After I leanmaxxed and gymmaxxed, got six pack abs only to find that there isn't much of a market among women for Manlet Chads. I do get lays sporadically though. I last fucked a Korean woman 18 days ago. We hooked up more than a few times. I hooked up with an Asian transwoman 5 times. Hooked up with a Filipina cross dresser twice. I'm trying to fuck this Filipina woman on Tinder.

But I get tons of men in my DMs on Grindr. Some Asian incel looking gay man 1 mile away wanted me to fuck him up the ass Sunday. I might hit him up tonight and pwn that ricecel (with a condom, I dont want AIDS. I have the monkeypox vaccine 2x because Im an Asian trans/CD loving degenerate) if I can't bang the Filipina tonight. Women have such sky high standards. But gaymaxxing and transmaxxing takes away the leverage that women have in their hands. The Korean thot was being uppity with me and demanding. But that's ok I can fuck a K-Pop maxxed pretty Korean man instead. She has a gut too. She isn't special. The women who reject us are often ugly. Lots of hot and pretty bottom/vers guys on Grindr want me.

[–]TsugaC 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t the first time I’ve seen your username wax poetic about dating trans women and I suspect it won’t be the last. Are you expecting women to rush after men who are bi and say “Wait, don’t go! We didn’t properly appreciate you, High Value Male! Please come back and let us please you seven ways before sunrise!”


Ain’t gonna happen, chief. Find your bliss. Make yourself happy.

Go nuts.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

One man is not going to make a difference. But if we do like the Greeks and a bunch of men gaymaxx and transmaxx, it would take away a lot of the leverage that women currently hold in the dating marketplace.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Nah women will simply support our trans sisters in pursuing a life which makes them happy. It’s not a competition.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You seems to love transwoman.

I hooked up with an Asian transwoman

This is stupid question but does it even feel close to hooking up with real woman?

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

It really depends on how successful their transition was. My Asian transwoman FWB had a nice feminine face and a seductive feminine voice. But she had small tits and her body had a high waist to hip ratio. She was fat. And the fat wasn't going in the right places for her. In terms of body type, she's like a refrigerator. She had nice legs when I fooled around with her in the car.

I liked her in spite of her physical flaws. Which is why ghosting me was ever so brutal and out of left field for me. I'm a Manlet Chad with a handsome face and six pack abs. Taller than her by a couple centimetres. This woman went from worshipping me and giving me a rimjob on the third date to ghosting me some time after the fifth. What in the hell is she thinking? When a guy like me is ready to commit, she should cash in her chips. I don't see how a taller Chad is going to offer her commitment. Shes fat and she has a penis. And she caught me on the come up. If I had more self esteem, confidence and recent sexual experience at the time we saw each other, maybe I wouldn't have offered her commitment. If anything I sometimes wonder if she ghosted me because she felt insecure about her weight. Because she did mention to me the day before our last date that she would like to join me on my runs to lose weight.

Personally I saw her as a woman. Especially with her wearing womens clothes, heels sometimes and smelling nice. It's just that her tits were unusually small for someone with her waist line. And her hips were too narrow for her waist.

There are transwomen out there with big tits and low waist to hip ratio and a nice ass. I wonder how much of it depends on genetics. Or luck. Or quality the hormones they are getting.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow.Asisn transwomen got some charm if they get guy like you.

If anything I sometimes wonder if she ghosted me because she felt insecure about her weight. Because she did mention to me the day before our last date that she would like to join me on my runs to lose weight

When I was young,I once ghosted a guy( I was too shy to tell him no) because I was jealous of his fit body and his clear skin while I was like potato with pimples lol.Now I regret it as I could have get his diet or something

[–]Secret-Ad8479 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather stay a virgin if this is what awaits me. Your life is a sad joke. And you call yourself blackpiller. Hilarious.

[–]NotARussianBot1984 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a bi guy, its insightful dating men. Truthfully amazing being treated as a hot girl. Ever since i started dating men in 2019, i never saw women the same again. Like wow the privilege is amazing!

[–]Secret-Ad8479 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Average redditor IQ right here

[–]MagicalMichael1 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You speak about others in quite a dehumanizing manner.

[–]stjep 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And he will go to his grave wondering why people respond poorly to him.

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And that is where men go wrong. The men who are most successful with women are the men who don't really give two rats fucking in a bowl of piss about female opinion of him.

[–]TsugaC -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The people who are most successful with romance and sex are those who are self-actualized; fulfilled with their own life and accomplishments.


The men who are hyper-focused on "maxxing" and pick-up (I hate this embarrassing jargon) have no life beyond working towards female approval. It's a sad, empty existence which leads men to the red pill. Desperation for approval from the opposite sex is obvious and awkward.


No woman (or man) wants to dedicate their entire life to coddling such a delicate ego, and that delicate ego will be taken advantage of by unkind people. Or worse, shun them for being so needy and dependent.

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 0 points1 point  (34 children) | Copy Link

How on earth is men being treated like trash connected to men wanting female validation?

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (33 children) | Copy Link

I disagree that men are treated like trash, but I'm agreeing with OP that men tend to prize sexual validation far higher than women. He's angry about working out, working menial jobs or performing hard labor? Neither is required. He can work a desk job. He can choose to avoid the gym.


But he won't, because he's desperate for female validation. He actively chooses to put in physical work or dedicated effort to college or a career because he wants female validation, and he feels he is owed a "return" on his investment.


And he does so while refusing to acknowledge that women are human beings and not prizes to be awarded to men who feel they deserve their requisite bangmaid.

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 1 point2 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

So the OP is wrong for wanting to have sex and relationships with females and is not allowed to talk about the difficult process that may entail?

How does wanting to have sex and relationships with females mean they are not “human beings”

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (31 children) | Copy Link

With female what? Soldiers? Perpetrators? Sheep?

If you mean women, I’m confused as to why he wouldn’t want to work hard if sex and relationships are so important to him. The most important things in life usually require effort, that’s life.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Do you ever think what type of woman can be trash just like man as you believe so?

We know society don't care about men' mental health.Do you think men can come together to help it like women do ( forming group,help or something) because I never seen that.

[–]Secret-Ad8479 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No. There are no allies. You're all by yourself.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh ..men will not help each other?

[–]Secret-Ad8479 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No. We're biologically programmed to compete and kill amongst ourselves. You only truly have yourself and nobody else in life.

[–]Kaoruboi 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude, you are not a wild animal. “Were biologically programmed to kill amongst ourselves” seriously? If that was true then we probably wouldn’t exist by now. Cant you just go to one of your friends and tell him “im feeling sad, what do you think i can do to feel better?” (or something like that) can’t you just do that without feeling the need to kill each other? You are a clown

[–]ifiniasms 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men are not disposable. It's just that cues of masculinity are very important.

If you don't prove leadership abilities it is harder to attract a mate.

It's not against you, it's natural law.

Boys must initiate and become men to protect their family and the people they are of service to.

They need to understand how hard life is and be able to do what is right to do.

Weak men make life very difficult And they will harm femininity.

You need to get male mentors and change your mind

[–]INTP-1[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps that is so back when men were more needed by society and women in general for the very basis of survival, that instinct to lead was carefully cultivated and truly valued at a young age, but not so much anymore. The sad reality is that men have degenerated to a childlike state, and it is entirely society's fault for allowing and even encouraging this to happen. So I would not be so quick to blame the victims of circumstance as being insufficiently mentored.

And so the final collapse stands before us. Almost everyone can sense it coming on an instinctual level, but almost nobody has the perceptiveness to put their finger on precisely what is wrong or the wisdom to know how to fix it even if they could. No my friend, we can't change it, nor do I think we should change it even if we could. All great civilizations rise, peak, and decline. Thus, something new and fantastic can come forth, hopefully a new humanism and respect for the fragility of social institutions that were so successful in previous generations.

[–]ifiniasms 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

we won't blame anyone.
And Men are still needed in society.

I agree that we majorly got very weakened by inversions and falsehoods

[–]INTP-1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate your words and noble desire to see others realize their potential, but I won't be in service to such degeneracy even if men are still needed. Not on my watch. Maybe in another life I will come back to do what I can to help rebuild a new world, but not this one. A mindless world of ruin is precisely what they asked for, and that is precisely what they'll get. This isn't a punishment I'm inflicting in a punitive/retaliatory sense, it's simply allowing those who broke the back of Western civilization to fully realize the consequences of their actions, so they can learn from the experience, and therefore rebuild a better world based on reason as the highest virtue.

One might even argue it is selfish for me to help prolong their suffering by contributing to the continuation of that which is unsustainable. The quicker the decline happens, the less likely naysayers will be given a rhetorical opening to deny the true causes of the decline, and thus the solutions. I care too much about the fate of future generations to let that happen.

[–]debatelord_1 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, as a man you get no free hand-outs (unless you're born super rich or gigachad). You gotta carve out your own path in life with blood, sweet and tears.

[–]rurunoa 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

not my fault men are so horny and women arent. literally why this gender disparity exists lol

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

no, it's because testicles aren't uteruses, and men fight & compete & protect women.

that and if you think women arent horny... chadfish is all you need to change your mind

[–]rurunoa 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

this isnt the 50s bro not everyone wants children. and i mean not horny in the sense of not picky

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

who said anything about children? testicles aren't uteruses. it's why men who charge women for nudes go broke while women turn it into a business model.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

good thing we can have higher values than primitive drives and we don't have to view men this way even if there's some truth to the underlying biology

[–]INTP-1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is true. We determine our own worth.

[–]Green-Quantity1032 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is this bitching about?

Go to the gym, get a job, get surgery.

This is not /r/blackpill

[–]JumboJetz 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So the mens movement has actually just started and it is very radical. It is maybe focused on the wrong things. But at some point I do think it will succeed in helping men in certain areas such as schools making more of an effort to engage boys and maybe even quotas for men in Universities.

The mens movement maybe has a problem with men like me though. What I mean by that is I have a good career, a University degree - I don’t specifically care that deeply that fewer and fewer men go to University. It doesn’t effect me personally and if anything maybe it makes me a better catch. So I don’t feel huge desire to fight for other men to get in to University because I did it and just assume they can too.

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is nothing remotely radical about it. Guys getting together to talk about furthering rights of fathers? Battered men? Homelessness among men? Yea real radical agenda that.

[–]DrBLEH 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you know what radical means? It just means a huge departure from the norm. If the norm is men being treated as disposable tools, then a movement to have us be seen as human beings with feelings and fears, and with our own systemic issues, can be considered radical. There's nothing inherently negative about being radical.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lifting weights helps with losing body fat. Which can absolutely improve your face substantially if you have the right bone structure buried underneath the fat. You would be shocked if you saw my facial ascension when I went from 27.4 BMI to 20.7 BMI with six pack abs. Fat Manlet to Manlet Chad. Right now I'm sitting at 21.8 BMI after 7 weeks of bulking. And I still have the Lean face and six pack. Because most of my new weight is going towards building muscle and water weight. My abs and obliques got bigger so my abs and Adonis Belt look better than ever despite putting on weight.

You should at the very least try to leanmaxx while resistance training every other day in the gym to find out if your face really is ugly. Train for muscular hypertrophy. 7-12 reps per set. 3-4 sets, 25-35 reps per muscle group. If you don't get tired after 12 reps a set, increase the resistance until you do. Eat 1.8g of protein per kg of body weight (0.82g per lb). Do cardio. Aim for a 500 calorie deficit per day. That puts you on pace for losing 1 lb/week.

I lost 40.85 lbs in 6 months. 1.5-1.6 lbs/week with an average 750-800 calorie deficit per day. I was losing more than 1.5-1.6lbs/week early on. And then losing less than that deeper into my cut. But I didnt eat enough protein and I lost too much muscle cutting that aggressively.

[–]Secret-Ad8479 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Why are women allowed to participate in blackpill spaces? It makes no sense at all.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I hope you didn't get bothered by me lol

[–]No_Mathematician8341 -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

lol cute ass

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]No_Mathematician8341 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank God I wasn't serious!! Fuck!! 😂😂

[–]Secret-Ad84791 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Why don't you go sleep with some criminal or something and get out of here?

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW)[M] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

don't make things personal

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

if he's a stranger why does it matter

[–]DivineDaedraChadwife -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a debate space, not a blackpill space.

[–]mib732 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

My recommendation: if you are upset about women wearing makeup as implied in the first line, simply don’t wear make up as there are men like myself who like to see a woman’s natural features.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I want to ask how many women you met you found actually attractive without makeup

[–]SilentFroggy 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I’ve tried to search it up a while ago. But the attractive ones still had some makeup on. I’m generally curious, what does a 100% natural attractive woman looks like?

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.Women with subtle makeup looks better. Women aren't naturally pretty that people think to be.

I don't wear much makeup.But when I wear it,I see difference in men treating me.

[–]SilentFroggy 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’m still curious however, are there woman out there who can at least be a 7/10 without makeup?

[–]mib732 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have seen women without makeup that I am attracted to. To each his own.

[–]deznue 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are trash according to slut riding the cc and unable to get chad to commit or the stay home wife with loving husband that supports her and children financially, emotionally and spiritually??

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a man in his 30's I realized long ago that I should never derive my value from female acceptance. I do what I want, when I want and I don't explain it. Drives women batty. Gents, if you are a man who is happy with his life you can rest assured that women are angry at you. Fuck 'em and live your best life.

[–]INTP-1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for you brother, keep on keeping on.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You had me by the title not gonna lie lmao

[–]INTP-1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

wink :)

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice plot twist sir lol

[–]NotARussianBot1984 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]INTP-1[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah... most definitely.

[–]AbsurdInk4WhitePill 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people are aware of this. Why should that stop you yourself, however, from living a good life?

[–]INTP-1[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link


I already had this conversation with another person who thought they were my mentor. You can't save everybody. The white pill, no matter how noble it's ideals, can't reverse the inevitable.

[–]AbsurdInk4WhitePill 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

In response to your comment: It is a misconception to think that Whitepillers are doing this in "service of a broken civilization", they do it in service of themselves. Like it or not man, society will not change. I highly doubt there will be a collapse, or any significant civilization altering event within the course of our lifetimes. So I will instead focus on trying to attain self-fulfillment and inner peace.

[–]INTP-1[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Even if it doesn't happen in our lifetimes, that isn't the issue. It would be selfish for me to prolong their suffering. I believe the current social environment to be unsustainable in the long run, therefore a collapse is inevitable. By serving myself I must serve the system itself that wishes to prolong this suffering. I won't do that.

[–]AbsurdInk4WhitePill 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

It is not selfish though. What would you rather do? Wallow in your own misery for the rest of your life while the collapse never happens? Furthermore, exactly how is serving yourself serving society? How would be, for example, working out, or partaking in a hobby you enjoy, be "serving the system?"

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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