Yes you read that right. I was in a debate with a feminist who denied every ounce of claims of how feminism harms men. I'd like some insight from all of you.

I brought up Mary Koss, Ellen Pence, Jan Reimer and a plethora of instances where feminisms negative effects have harmed men. And yet it was met with "These are rare instances" or "Thats not feminism. That's one or two people." These one or two people did so much!

We were in the argument of SA and rape. When her arguments were failing on statistics as I brought up MTP stating how it would be equal to rape data if it was included. She proceeds to tell me "So what if it's not rape? It's considered sexual assault. And I also think it's better for men for it not to be considered rape because it will cause them to freeze up and not press charges. It'll be better for mens mental health".

What the fuck, guys? How is downplaying rape to sexual assault "better for us?"

This was my statement. "Alright let me break down for you in the way that even a feminist can understand.

In the colloquial sense, 🍇 would be either forecful penetration or when the male genetalia is engulfed by the female's.

Legally, it is not considered 🍇 because femimism did not want to accept wmn were capable of doing that. Mary Koss, the pioneer for SA studies, stated that in her works when she presented herself before the US Congress. We can find this when we google her academic papers. Now. Her academic papers are the REASON WHY "MTP" is considered SA, but not 🍇, because she beleived men were not capable of experiencing traumatic effects. She stated this in her papers. She was wrong. And she was acting upon emotion and psuedo-science. Not evidence.

The LEGAL, not colloquial, the legal definition of 🍇 is the "Forceful **penetration** of the victim" to make it short. This makes the definition highly gender bias, due to the fact it is not penetration when the female uterus engulfs the male victim's. The data that shows that 91% of victims of 🍇 are female, and 99% of the perpetrators is due to the gender specific definition of what the FBI and CDC considers 🍇 . This by default makes it virtually impossible to include a female aggressors because it is not common for a female to restrict it to forecful penetration of the anus.

1 in 33 to 71 men will "experience 🍇" is calculated on the definition of forecful penetration. **This does not include MTP data**

1 in 9 men will experience being made to penetrate. When we include being MTP as 🍇 the data starts looking more similar in terms of victims and perpetrators.

MTP is colloquially 🍇. Not legally.

The argument on how "That is not real feminism" is you just being in denial, because she is an academic feminist scholor with world-wide influence. She was also backed by the NOW, an internationally recognized organization based on bringing awreness to female issues and giving them aid."

Her claim was that "It does not matter and how it is still better that men are not included as rape victims"

"This was my claim
The reason social stigma exists is because they think men do it to men more than wmn do it to men. Now that is only true legally because it is not considered 🍇 when done by a female. Calling it 🍇 would make it better because now we know the gravity of the situation. When people think about SA, they think touching someone sexually, something simple. 🍇 carries a lot more weight. Calling it 🍇 would include the mtp data causing judges to see the data and take harsher action.

This is coming from a male who is surrounded by men who have been in this situation."