"The average man has more privilege than the average woman"

Punder_man · 2025-11-22T03:05:20+00:00

The irony here is she seems quite happy to take the statistics of "The majority of crime is committed by men" at face value / as the complete truth of things..

But when the statistics show that men DO receive harsher sentences for the same crimes compared to women.. well then those stats are either wrong, our need nuance or are taken out of context or something.

You can not convince closed minded people like this..
No amount of facts or evidence will be enough to overcome their deeply entrenched cognitive dissonance ..

I'd suggest not expending any further effort on them.

thereslcjg2000 · 2025-11-22T06:13:18+00:00

It sounds like a lot of her arguments literally just boil down to “I’m not familiar with this so it isn’t true.” Impressive that you even bothered to rebut such an incoherent argument.

Same-Rabbit2531 · 2025-11-22T04:55:14+00:00

As a woman who spent her childhood in a dangerous hood in a third world country, the fact that I am even alive with no criminal record despite being hella close to male gang members who was dying dropping like flies alone is proof of my privilege

Different-Product-91 · 2025-11-22T09:06:56+00:00

The possibility of being drafted, wether it is used or not, demonstrates that men as a whole are seen as dispensable and that their life and their health count nothing.

KPplumbingBob · 2025-11-22T16:27:31+00:00

It impresses me that in this day and age women still use the 'the draft hasn't been used since the '70s' line. How tone deaf do you have to be to completely disregard what's happening in the world right now? Just look at Ukraine if you're not bothered about the rest. That is the reality for majority of males in the world in all cultures. They are treated as disposable humans and western world as a whole is not any more advanced or progressive on that particular issue of human rights. Most western countries will in case of a war still conscript males and force them to fight, kill and die. If you are going to brush that off as a "non argument" then why would I be interested in anything else you have to say?

That's all if you don't want to delve into history just a little bit and see how catastrophically low life expectancy was for males during war crisis. One "fun" fact: a Soviet male born in 1923 had just a 20% chance of surviving until his 23rd birthday.

And yet the narrative that it is only women who were historically oppressed still lives on. Or even that they still are to this day.

7evenCircles · 2025-11-22T04:48:36+00:00

The 1970s are frequently pointed to by people to show how close we still are to women's oppression, and how precarious that makes their station -- how many times have you heard it that women were still barred from having their own credit cards until the 1970s? I hear that repeated in real life. Conversely, the 1970s for men are pointed to by people to show how distant the draft is, and how secure a station men are in. Fun with doublethink.

BKEnjoyerV2 · 2025-11-22T05:42:09+00:00

The other thing about supposed male privilege is that it really only is a privilege for certain men, and far from a majority of them, it’s overgeneralizing a whole group of people and denying the existence of legitimate issues that men face

eldred2 · 2025-11-22T02:52:12+00:00

You can't use logic to convince a person who doesn't listen to logic.

Katastrofiaines · 2025-11-22T16:50:15+00:00

The draft argument is just such bull. Not only were the 70's not that long ago. Even in the US there are literally men still alive that got drafted into Vietnam against their will. But it's also especially a very US centric view on things.

My country (allegedly a 1st world European country) has always practiced "universal" male only conscription to this day, same as many other European countries. Even those European countries that did abolish conscription now seem to be gearing up to bring it back and destroy yet another generation of men in war. These are very dark times, and the draft is very much not a won case. Rather it seems that once again, no man is safe from it.

MelissaMiranti · 2025-11-22T03:51:26+00:00

It doesn't matter what a person's gender identity is, only whether their ideas and arguments are.

AncomBunker47 · 2025-11-22T02:54:19+00:00

Try adding quotes to her rebuttals, it's kinda confusing separating what is her talking points and what is your counterargument

PassengerCultural421 · 2025-11-22T03:52:52+00:00

Posts like this are really important. I appreciate you OP.

4444-uuuu · 2025-11-22T13:25:11+00:00

That's a good response with good sources, thanks for posting.

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feminists during Vietnam were telling men to check their privilege. South Korean feminists complain about male privilege. The United Nations complains about the Ukraine war setting back women's rights and feminists overwhelmingly support Ukraine and are against Ukraine accepting a peace deal.

I haven't found anything that proves that women get off crimes easier than men despite there being the same evidence. I'd argue that privilege is only afforded to white women.

https://i.imgur.com/hMjxnK5.png

ExcitableSarcasm · 2025-11-22T14:04:08+00:00

I mean, several of the items (2-4, didn't read the rest of your post) are just straight up not true. The evidence is disputed, but that's not "there is no evidence".

She sounds like she's either lying or just completely ignorant of epistemology.

GorgonzolaJam · 2025-11-22T09:59:12+00:00

Great work!

The Book of Men's Issues is also a good resource to bookmark.

Local-Willingness784 · 2025-11-22T16:40:33+00:00

Police violence is higher against men because men tend to be more violent to the police. The police aren't targeting men because of their gender.

is this person even cosplaying as progressive in any way or as left-leaning? because im pretty sure this is an argument that racist use to deny systemic police violence, same with this

Men commit the majority of crimes. Idk what else you want me to say.

change men with POC of any colour and youll see, plus even if it was true, why are men more likely to commit crimes? could we be just worse people from the get go? or maybe men are more likely to be ins systemic circumstances that could lead to crime? and we are also more likely to be victims of violent crimes but ig if its another men killing us its our fault?

ChimpPimp20 · 2025-11-22T22:11:21+00:00

Here's some other retorts you can use:

That is until the convo shifts to including women in the draft and now we have to talk about how misogyny is the reason women now (along with men) are coerced into marking the checkbox in the college admission form that includes women in selective service. But that's just my male privilege talking.

I haven't found anything that proves that women get off crimes easier than men despite there being the same evidence. I'd argue that privilege is only afforded to white women.

While racist whites killed both black and brown women, they lynched far more black and brown men. Even in black communities you often here "you can't hit her cuz that's a female" even though it was simple self defense. This is just the social aspect mind you. Ask this: "How many female pedos were killed by vigilante justice in comparison to the male pedos?" "Does this not add fuel to the idea that people would rather see a man severely punished instead of a woman?" "It's not just the men who commit these acts either." "Not to mention the difference in the public outcry." I've seen cases where cops HESITATE PROFUSELY to use force on even black women. Shit is insane.

Women are not given a pass when it comes to sexually assaulting boys that men don't. Again, no one cares about victims, regardless of gender.

I'm gonna borrow a bit from the above statement. There is a big difference between "OMG!!! This is sooo not okay. As a woman, we don't claim her. This is how I know the patriarchy affects men too. We need to speak out for male victims." and "This guy is a fucking monster!!! I hope he gets the death penalty!!! If it was me I would've killed himself myself!!! This case is making my blood boil. Where is his address!!!" Huge difference. Notice you don't see the death penalty being suggested for female perps too often. At best it's life in prison. I found a whole slew of compilation of male preds being tortured and murdered in numerous ways. From the cops; correction officers, inmates, neighbors, wives, sons, daughters, friends, strangers, you name it. I couldn't find a single female pred that was murdered for being a pred. There's gotta be at least ONE out there. When you're a male pedo, you need to be an elitist to still be in the public eye. Elvis got to do what he did to Priscilla because he's fucking Elvis. Mary Kay Letourneau went on multiple programs to speak of her "affair" and she was just a flippin' school teacher. All the other stories of male teachers doing what she did got one or two pieces done on them. She went on TV multiple times.

JEVOUSHAISTOUS · 2025-11-24T12:48:02+00:00

I hate this debate. My take on it is: And even if the average man was more privileged than the average woman, all else equals, then what?

The average man and the average woman don't actually exist. No two people are "all else equals" apart from their gender. Even identicaly twins are unequal in tons of ways (and they tend to have the same gender anyway). We are all individuals with our own cross to bear. We are all privileged in certain ways and underprivileged in other ways. And there's an infinite amount of ways the various privileges and underprivileges randomly bestowed upon us before, during or after birth, interact with each other.

Some will admit "okay yeah I can see how a gay black man can be more oppressed than a white straight woman" but even that is short-sighted and narrow-minded. Privilege and underprivilege is not limited to the narrow set of fashionable criteria intersectional feminists talk about (mostly gender identity, sexuality and race, sometimes class and handicap).

People can be underprivileged ("oppressed") based on their height, strength, marital status, being an orphan or having been removed from their family, physical and/or mental health and stability of said health, having facial features traditionnally regarded as ugly, having an uncommon voice, having allergies, being unable to handle alcohol, shyness, level of motor coordination (think: being "clumsy"), and a literal infinity of other criterias, some none of us may even realize they exist because we never encountered them or never really given it any thought because people falling victim of it didn't even think of complaining.

And for some of these criteria, being a man or a woman is irrelevant, and for some being a woman is worse, and for some others, being a man is worse.

The "which gender has it worseolympics" really is the worst way to look at privilege and discrimination.

My biggest privilege is, by far, not being a man. In fact, being a man makes some of my issues 100x worse to the point most of my female friends pity me. However, I have parents that love me unconditionally and always have my back: that, somehow, is a massive privilege noone ever talks about. Gender is the one thing always talked about, but its actual importance is nowhere near the amount of light it receives.

Primary_March4865 · 2025-11-24T20:35:39+00:00

Incredible writing.

TennesseeToeToucher · 2025-11-25T11:59:49+00:00

If she’s Google one sentence she’d find her proof.

Septic-Abortion-Ward · 2025-11-22T10:10:05+00:00

The fact that someone born a man would choose to reroll as a woman completely discredits whatever bullshit arguments they want to trot out about male privilege.

They instinctively realized life is better as a woman, otherwise they wouldn't have done all that. Why do you think MtF is so much more common than FtM?

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Leftmost_CaramelKofi · 2025-11-24T07:25:39+00:00

There is no point arguing with such biggots, I would say.

She'll sheepishly change her mind when her tought leaders update their believes and make it cool again to not be a total sociopathic A-hole to men's issues🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

TennesseeToeToucher · 2025-11-25T11:57:39+00:00

Your rebuttals to the draft thing should be: maybe in America but as far as I’m away in other parts of the world men aren’t sparred. You had to remember thousands of Russian men are being conscripted to fight in wars they probably don’t even support.

genkernels · 2025-11-23T17:05:12+00:00

Your citations are nice. Your reddit formatting could use some work, haha.

That being said:

Police violence is higher against men because men tend to be more violent to the police. The police aren't targeting men because of their gender.

This part is true.

Title	"The average man has more privilege than the average woman"
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