Should gender be a major left wing issue?

NimishApte · 2022-02-07T16:13:43+00:00

Completely unrelated but did anyone read the decision of the Ohio Supreme Court that raping a 2 year old boy isn't actually rape but gross sexual imposition?

Phantombiceps · 2022-02-07T15:53:12+00:00

One thing i forgot to say was I think the old left was interested in race and gender because, among many other points of injustice, they thought these two could literally explain the mechanics of how the social order functioned. They were seen as fundamentally functioning to keep society going, through a raced and sexed division of labor, so exposing them and overcoming them could basically win the chance to change things. And it was how they connected to economic class and political rights that they mattered therefore.

The question is, does that make sense today? Is the current global order really predicated upon abortion laws or skin color?

DIES-_-IRAE · 2022-02-07T22:26:50+00:00

In five years the gender thing will peak, and five years after that it will finally sort itself out and subsequently settle down.

Respectful pronouns will be found for people who identify as a combination of masculine/feminine, and for those who identify as neither or something else.

Unique and quirky pronouns will still be thrown out there, but they'll largely be a queer-culture and genderpunk thing.

Until then, I'll try to be as respectful as I can to a changing culture without throwing sanity out the window.

Marty-the-monkey · 2022-02-07T12:41:14+00:00

The attitude of rejecting or being against the gender debate, or taking a conservative stance on the concept is still a political stance, so it's rather impossible for it to be a singular wing issue.

Phantombiceps · 2022-02-07T12:34:13+00:00

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NotCis_TM · 2022-02-07T17:18:03+00:00

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LolwhatYesme · 2022-02-10T02:34:15+00:00

I think class should be a major "left wing issue". But it's not surprising that it isn't.

Sadly identity politics in general is just centre-stage. There's no room for anything else. But that's not to say it isn't important of course.

RhinoNomad · 2022-02-10T20:30:23+00:00

The left's relationship to gender has primarily been mediated through women's issues and women's rights issues and it's part of a larger discussion about hierarchies and equality. Leftists, in general, are against hierarchal order and inequality (to a point) so they're focused on many different hierarchies including gender (where the idea is men are at the top in general and women are at the bottom -- this is an oversimplification obviously and isn't remotely true because of how complex men and women's experiences are but I think everyone in this sub is very very aware of this).

Because of this, many issues become gendered that don't necessarily need to be, including genital mutilation, violence, sexual assault, etc. It's typically assumed by everyone, including those on the right, that men can't face what are "women's problems". This makes more sense when it comes to bodily autonomy in pregnancy but when applied to issues of domestic violence, rape, sexual assault, and even violence, it's downright nonsensical. There's no reason why DV, Rape, SA, and violence are gender phenomena. Men experience it all of them to significant rates, and in the case of violence, at even higher rates than women do. In fact, I'd call violence victimization (non-sexual) a "gendered" issue because of the stark differences between violence victimization of men and women, but for argument's sake, I won't.

Blauwpetje · 2022-02-08T11:02:50+00:00

It's important, but not the way feminists think it is. Rather the other way round. Economic, sexual, social, criminal, political issues concerning men and women are all linked to the empathy gap, the Women are Wonderful-effect and the average difference in need for sex of men and women. A big part of this is, I fear, biological. But if the powers that be would at least acknowledge that and see what can be done about male addiction, suicide, loneliness, homelessness etc., politics would be better and saner than they are now.

Title	Should gender be a major left wing issue?
Author	Phantombiceps
Upvotes	30
Comments	38
Date	February 7, 2022 12:20 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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