Absurd arguments/logic from this article against mandatory paternity testing at birth.

LastOfSane · 2024-12-31T07:44:16+00:00

Read and judge for yourself, but here are some particularly despicable quotes to look out for:

1: ... "although mandatory paternity testing may not aim to coerce mothers, the practice is situated in “oppressive social situations and institutional structures [that] can effectively coerce agents, detracting from their ability to exercise autonomy in choice and action"

In other words, the possibility for negative consequences for women if they lie and cheat men may influence how they make decisions. Sounds like the way it should be!

"we argue that such a practice would unfairly police mothers’ sexual and reproductive lives and may not provide meaningful information about a child’s father."

Nothing unfair about exposing cheaters and liars. The meaningful info about the child's father is whether or not the man is! Sheesh, I'm sure there are plenty of medically necessary reasons to know too, but they can't even acknowledge the elephant in the room.

"In positive/negative paternity testing, women’s sexual practices will be exposed: identifying whether or not her social partner is the genetic father. Yet, a social father’s sexual practices are not explicitly exposed in paternity testing"

That's because men aren't the ones giving birth. Trying to compare in inequity for only exposing female infidelity in this context is incredibly disingenuous. I'm sure there are plenty of other ways men get caught cheating. This one's on you ladies.

"mandatory paternity identification threatens the safety of woman and children, compels mothers to create association between fathers and children, and exposes women to private violence that can result from paternity identification"

Violence is never justified in this context, even if it turns out the man's been deceived and the baby isn't his. No question about that. However, that possibility would exist regardless of mandatory testing.

"the potential for sexist, racist and classist power dynamics in the promotion of normative family formation through the enforcement of paternity identification."

Since when is promoting normal family structures a bad thing? The positives definitely outweigh the negatives, which are almost entirely in the researcher's imaginations to begin with.

walterwallcarpet · 2024-12-31T10:16:58+00:00

Women see this deception as a female 'right'. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-s-the-daddy/

Human females represent the apex of female evolution, and their hidden ovulation is a unique enabler of cuckoldry http://empathygap.uk/?p=1484

Wanna see absurd arguments/logic and complete lack of empathy towards swindling males? While 'justifying' their behaviour as 'ethics'? https://jme.bmj.com/content/medethics/33/8/475.full.pdf

A "distorted and thin view of fatherhood" if a man doesn't particularly wish to work himself to death in raising the spawn of another man..????

How about we just send women home from the maternity ward with any ol' baby? You couldn't really complain girls, on the basis of your own 'ethics'. That would be a distorted and thin view of motherhood.

Septic-Abortion-Ward · 2024-12-31T09:34:42+00:00

female researcher's total lack of empathy for men's perspective on the issue was heinous.

Careful. Pattern recognition is highly hazardous to your future mental health.

Salamadierha · 2024-12-31T15:57:04+00:00

Strange how this subject gets studied, but "the effects of paternity fraud on fathers and their relationships with their children" doesn't.

-WideEyedFox- · 2024-12-31T10:31:57+00:00

Until the law changes to make sure Fathers are represented fairly and squarely women will always have the upper hand when it comes to getting pregnant and the future of the child.

I don’t believe (yet) it’s right to make things as sterile and transactional, by enforcing a DNA test. However, that said, so many women are promiscuous and willing to commit parental fraud with zero accountability or repercussions, things cannot continue the way they are. Either they change or the system changes.

Moral of the story, don’t stick it in if you can’t stick it out.

When a woman cheats she brings the problem home with her.

VikingTwilight · 2024-12-31T15:48:46+00:00

This just further erodes western birthrates and values and leads to the social phenomenon of liberal democracies being unable to reproduce themselves...

France is the perfect example

Native French birthrate is around 1 child per woman and it's illegal to test for paternity

Muslim birthrate in France is 4-5+ with almost total paternity certainty since women are locked away and controlled...

In 50 years, who will be in charge? The conservative cultures with large stable families, that's who... Western society fumbled the bag on this and it's paying the price in decline and fall, it's just evolution really, conservative values always win...

RoryTate · 2024-12-31T13:23:10+00:00

Don't look for logic from these female researchers; it's all emotional arguments and nothing more.

hendrixski · 2024-12-31T18:55:27+00:00

3. "In positive/negative paternity testing, women’s sexual practices will be exposed: identifying whether or not her social partner is the genetic father. Yet, a social father’s sexual practices are not explicitly exposed in paternity testing

So using that logic, if a cheating husband fathers a child out of wedlock then doing a paternity test should not be allowed because it would expose his sexual practices.

pbj_sammichez · 2024-12-31T21:58:54+00:00

Women don't get it - i care way less about your infidelity than I do about losing my autonomy and being forced to raise another man's child. Thats it. If she cheats, whatever. The relationship is over, thats fine. But then she wants me to finance her affair partner's baby? Men don't like being used.

Plenty_Preference296 · 2024-12-31T13:12:59+00:00

I wanna hear a reddit feminist's take on this. I would love to see them try to spin this.

ACLU_EvilPatriarchy · 2024-12-31T15:21:35+00:00

If you look at the African American paternity test confrontation videos up all over Social Media, this is so common (you are Not the Father) that the cat would be out of the bag

HiramCoburn · 2024-12-31T21:40:41+00:00

At the end of the day, you’re a bureaucrats and politicians want someone to pay. They don’t care if that person is actually the father. I had a friend who paid child support for over 10 years, then one day his ex wanted a paternity test. Later on he found out the reason why she wanted a paternity test is because the real father had died of a heroin overdose, and she wanted to put a claim on his Social Security, and that she had known he wasn’t the father the entire time. Yet, the state of Washington still made him pay back child support. Paternity fraud should be a felony in my book.

pearl_harbour1941 · 2024-12-31T14:52:29+00:00

As one-sided as this article is, and avoiding going into the reasons for this kind of junk "academia" (there was a great post on it within the last week in this sub), the problem is easily rectified (on paper, at least):

Men get free choice as to how much they support any given child. Consent to support can be withdrawn at any time.

Feminists like the word "consent" and the idea that without enthusiastic, ongoing consent, it's rape, right?

flashliberty5467 · 2025-01-01T05:00:33+00:00

If women don’t want to cooperate with paternity tests then men should be exempt from child support obligations

The main reason why paternity testing exists is because the government enforces child support on people

EriknotTaken · 2025-01-01T08:35:57+00:00

Reminds me of a friends's sister, who couldnt not phathom why a man would be mad for raising another man's child, and yes, she meant without knowing.

"Like men should emulate Joseph, father of JesusChrist" she said

I... I didnt know what to say, It was like trying to explain colors to a blind person.

Title	Absurd arguments/logic from this article against mandatory paternity testing at birth.
Author	LastOfSane
Upvotes	132
Comments	44
Date	December 31, 2024 7:13 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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