All men are objectifying pigs because some of them look at me when I dress in booty shorts, low cut shirts, and cake on makeup.

calvingarner · 2014-08-02T23:52:02+00:00

I am starting to think that professional victims make some of this shit up for attention.

horus-ra · 2014-08-03T00:15:29+00:00

This has always been one of my biggest "WTF" issues with feminism. I understand not wanting to be sexually harassed or assaulted in public. Getting groped, grabbed, or having some dude jack off in front of you on the subway sucks. If this were to happen to me I would probably hit the perpetrator or call for help.

This video does nothing but attempt to put men as a whole down, or make people feel sorry for all women. There will always be assholes, creeps, and generally disgusting human beings out there, you will never be able to stop this from happening. Instead they should be focusing on how to teach women to stand up for and protect themselves, as well as teaching others how to recognize when someone is being harassed in public and what to do about it.

I am absolutely flabbergasted at how legitimate advice on how to reduce the frequency or prevent these sort of things is immediately shut down as "victim blaming". Protip: If you dress like a hooker and wander around parts of town that often have hookers, then you will be taken for a hooker. If a man dresses up in a trenchcoat, fedora, and dark sunglasses, odds are people will get creeped out. If you and your buddy are wearing black leather jackets, black cargo pants, black beanies, black leather gloves, and wheeling a server rack that you legitimately obtained and have paperwork for down the street at 3am, you are going to get stopped by the cops and asked questions...

What you wear, your location, and how you present yourself are all critical factors in the initial judgments that everyone around you will make. These factors communicate a vast amount of information about a person in a very short period of time. Maybe it's different for women, but guys don't have the ability to read minds, we make initial judgments based on appearance. (From personal anecdotal evidence I am fairly confident that women can't read minds either...) There is actually a fairly good OkCupid blog article on how much stock we put into appearance.

Also there were two comments in the video that really made me angry: "...the burdens on me, to protect myself" and "I know I wear something provocative, but I shouldn't have to deal with it."

And yes, as a guy I have also been on the receiving end of cat-calls, mainly while out climbing or running down a trail with a large backpack.

SporkTornado · 2014-08-03T00:11:19+00:00

If you go out dressed like a clown, don't throw a hissy fit because people look at you funny.

farkface · 2014-08-03T02:06:55+00:00

I love the female narcissism in this video; the assumption that every man they pass on the street must obviously find them drop dead gorgeous.

bookishboy · 2014-08-03T00:23:52+00:00

Good god this is begging for a youtube rebuttal

Arakin · 2014-08-03T02:21:32+00:00

There's countless things wrong with this video. Time to tackle!

All this video takes place in the inner city, and terrible parts of it. Cat calling isn't the only thing that happens. Men who dress weird or look gay also get called fags and pussies and homos and cock suckers and bitches and frequently get assaulted or robbed. Even in my small town, even being from here, if I walk past the crowd at the bar at 1AM, because I don't look like a redneck, people shout shit at me all the time, many of the time women. "Hey, big fella." I've gotten. "Hey, baby how about a drink at my place?" I've gotten. "Look at this fag. Hey faggy!" I've gotten. The women in this video act as though it's a unique thing that women experience to get hollered at on the street. Not to mention, as others have said, the girl is wearing a skirt that barely covers her panties. I am friends with a girl who manages models in Brooklyn. Do you know what those girls wear when they go out in the street by themselves? Sweat pants and shit. Or jeans and a t-shirt. Not a ton of make up and a bunch of attention calling clothing. Is this me saying they deserve to be hollered at and I support it? No. But it happens. It happens to everyone. Does our society somehow support this? No.
The Miss District of Columbia woman is talking about being 'assaulted' on public transportation in D.C., one of the shittest cities in America. Public transportation is notorious for being horrible, and public transport in D.C. is horrible. The man didn't even 'assault' her. He jacked off behind her, probably not even to completion. The man is clearly mentally unwell. Even the most persistent men do not beat off in public in clear view of the woman and the people around them. No one does this for a laugh or gratification. The man was one of the many insane people living in the inner city, and has probably a huge list of other shit that he does that's fucked up too, including probably drugs and theft.
This Miss District of Columbia woman then goes on to say that "just because it's public transportation in the inner city doesn't make it okay, in fact it's illegal!" That just shows RIGHT THERE that society doesn't support this. "It's wrong, and it's illegal" (I'm paraphrasing the first quote). It is wrong and illegal. That just shows that society doesn't support this behavior. No sane person in their right mind supports this behavior, and the fact that it is illegal just reinforces that. But it IS the inner city and it IS D.C. and fucked up shit DOES happen. Muggings, robberies, rapes, drugs, theft, weird homeless men jacking off and biting the heads off rats and shit. Weird shit in the inner city happens. It's not a women's issue.
Having someone grab your ass is not being assaulted. I've had my ass grabbed and I'm a guy. I've had my ass grabbed by other guys and girls on public transportation. Being ASSAULTED is being assaulted. These women seem to think that someone touching them or making them uncomfortable is assault. Sorry. It's not. Men will frequently start fights with other men on the subway. That's assault. It happens. Don't ride the fucking subway. I avoid it as much as possible. If you do, then prepare yourself like anyone else who has ridden the subway for more than 5 minutes.
This is HUGELY selective. It is 4 women who say they've been 'assaulted,' and only one of them, the one who said she felt a hand up her dress, was even really violated. The others just had unpleasant experiences similar to what you get on the metro in DC or NYC or wherever. This is why public transportation has a bad rep -- not because women get sexually assaulted, but because EVERYONE has a bad time. The one girl in her hot topic provocative outfit getting cat called is not proof of anything. We don't know how long she was out there in that shit part of time, how many of those men may have been plants, and how many other countless men she went by who didn't say shit. What % of men cat call? This video makes it look like 80%. I'd love to know the actual percentage, especially outside the inner city which is filled with scumbags. This is horrendous sample size, just like all the other widely touted Feminist 'studies' that survey 12 girls at a specific school and ask for anecdotal evidence then parade it around like it's global fact.

Don't like being hollered at in public? Don't wear a fucking short skirt and low cut blouse. And don't give me that 'I'm expressing myself' shit. You're wearing that for other people. Plain and simple. If you were living alone in the rain forest you wouldn't be wearing that. I wear what I wear because I share the Earth with other humans and I'm expressing myself. I'm saying "Look at me!" or "I don't care!" or "I'm a gangster, don't fuck with me!" or "Look how hot I am!" or whatever. If you dress all hot and shit in the inner city you're just looking for trouble. If you dress all flamboyant in the inner city and strut around you're just looking for trouble too. Sorry, that's the reality of life in the inner city, and also of other towns. Here in my redneck town if you don't wear a redneck outfit, smoke and talk like a hillbilly, you're gonna get shit talk when you go around those folk. If you dress like a skater punk or a goth kid in Fairfield Connecticut, people are gonna say shit to you. Are you being harassed? Yeah maybe if someone follows you around and won't leave you alone. Are you being ASSAULTED? People need some fucking perspective. What a crock of shit.

edit: just to add to this, last night I took my longboard down to 711 to get some food. It was 11 o'clock in a smallish town. I got hollered at three different times, things that if I made my own video like this, would qualify as harassment. I also got a girl look and shout from the sidewalk "Pretty sweet." That qualifies as harassment according to the video. This was in the space of the three minutes it took me to traverse main st.

CaptainChewbacca · 2014-08-03T03:19:58+00:00

Sometimes people forget that 'provocative' means 'deliberately causing a strong reaction'. Seriously, that's like the definition of the word. If you like to dress 'Provocatively' then don't be surprised that it works.

Dann01 · 2014-08-03T02:43:07+00:00

I like how they film the public scenes in an obviously low class area. It's as if they already knew the men there would harass them

baskandpurr · 2014-08-02T23:37:39+00:00

I find these things so frustrating to watch. I don't harass women in the street (or anyone else). All the sad music, slow motion and interviews aren't going to make me responsible for this so they can fuck off. I did less to create street harrasment than the women in this video.

Of the four women at the start, two are showing significant cleavage. That is they chose to wear clothes designed specifically not to cover part of their breasts. Obviously they did this so that part of their breasts are visible, otherwise they could all dress more like the beauty queen. So they want to show their breasts and they want to control what sort of attention they get.

"I know the way I dress is provocative but... it doesn't mean that I should have to deal with it." Why the fuck not? Exactly how do you think the world works? Should you be able to provoke people with absolute impunity because you're a special fairy?

2014-08-03T06:16:27+00:00

http://www.ericberne.com/games-people-play/rapo/

to be more accurate what they're playing is the second for second or third degree rapo, but the payoff from kick me. they seek out negative attention and continue to escalate their behavior until someone transgresses, and they get the payoff of confirming their worldview and get strokes from people when they complain about their victimization.

2014-08-03T10:42:21+00:00

I just do not understand the motivation behind men who does this. What can they possibly expect to get out of it, or are they just doing it out of spite?

Ultramegasaurus · 2014-08-03T13:05:14+00:00

What would happen if men just stopped catcalling or generally initiating contact with women for the most part? Oh right: "Where are the real men?" "Why have men become such pussies?" "Men's standards for female beauty are oppressive!"

Black_caped_man · 2014-08-03T14:05:49+00:00

I know the way I dress is kind of provocative but that does not mean I should have to deal with it.

In other words "I should not have to take responsibility for my actions".

I don't get this video, a lot of the "catcalls" is just men showing appreciation for the women they find attractive. And what everyone else here is saying, these are not exactly your run of the mill neighborhoods. Anything that deviates from the norm there would probably be called out in some way.

PerniciousOne · 2014-08-03T15:20:22+00:00

If I walk down the street looking like a homeless person, I will be likely ignored by the majority of society.

If I walk down the street with a group of security guards, paparazzi, and groupies, all the people around will react differently.

If I walk down the street in a military uniform people react differently.

If you are wearing the attire of a prostitute, people may treat you that way.

I had to stop watching the stupid video at the point one of the girls said, I dress provocatively and I should not have to expect that men should react.

Right now women are completely passive when it comes to the sexual relationship roles, they are like a flower, and men have to be bees to attempt to interact with her. When they are walking down the street many men have very little chance of stopping her and talking to her, and they have seen the chances drop to none, so they revert to catcalling and whistling. These women will be crying when the catcalls and whistling, stop, free help, and free meals dry up.

Grailums · 2014-08-03T16:10:31+00:00

This video also fails to mention how their kind of dressing provokes the actions of other women. For example an ex of mine would get very, very angry and physical if she thought I was even looking at someone that was sexier than her/dressed better. It certainly was not the fault of the woman who was dressed in that manor, nor my own because half the time I didn't know what the hell she was talking about but if you dress a certain way you're going to get attention.

I think it is an issue with self-esteem. If you're a woman who feels the need to walk down a ghetto area hoping for that "ghetto fabulous" man to sweep you off your feet like in a romance novel, only to be met with average looking men reacting to the way you dress it probably will shatter your own self worth because of your unrealistic expectations.

I mean seriously who walks down a neighborhood like that dressed like that? I'm not going to walk down that same neighborhood in a two thousand dollar suit with money flowing out of my pockets. I'm not stupid.

redwormcharlie · 2014-08-04T14:56:11+00:00

At 1:41 "I know the way I dress is provocative, but that doesn't mean i should have to deal with it."

They send out a young woman, who is dressed provocative, and she should not have to "deal" with it? Seriously? She's dressed like a hooker, don't placate stupid naivety.

So you dress in a way that would get attention, and you condemn men for reacting to it? Seriously, this is insane.

Send a woman out dressed in overalls, hair not done, no make up, and see what happens then. I bet money the cat calls don't happen. Calling out, and trying to talk to an attractive woman, especially if she is dressed provocatively, IS NOT harassment. Trying to call out, or talk to a woman, is not a product of rape culture, attempted assault, or attempted rape. Rape and assault is something that occurs at the hands of seriously mentally and deranged people.

They are trying to demonize men for their attempts to attract a woman who are dressed "provocative" they do not offer several scenarios, such as a woman in overalls and a t-shirt hair a mess. Or what about regular blue jeans and a blouse? How about a track suit? What about a business suit? Let's compare the reaction levels. I think they don't do that because it destroys their entire case about how in no way should men react to the way a woman is dressed. Unless you date a woman, and then all of sudden you better be on top of that shit.

freemale101 · 2014-08-03T00:31:53+00:00

Sure. A young female waving her sexy but unavailable body under the nose of a male is a form of violence too. Sexual bullying. Passive aggression and 'emotional abuse'.

2014-08-03T07:17:07+00:00

They were saying that women shouldn't be judged or singled out for what they're wearing. That's neither here nor there. If they said NO ONE should be singled out, then it'd be relevant. If a guy was walking down the street in a Speedo, no one would give a shit about catcalls, because motherfucker's walking down the street in a Speedo. When a woman walks down the street in shorts that are pretty much underwear, no one should give a shit about catcalls, because motherfucker's walking down the street in underwear.

2014-08-03T15:04:36+00:00

catcalling is not illegal. if you tried to make it so, you could imprison people for saying "i think you look nice." if you don't want to be catcalled, don't dress provocatively in bad neighborhoods. (notice they didn't have an unattractive woman run this experiment, nor did they do it in a cleaner neighborhood, where no one would notice.)

Then they equate catcalling (tasteless, certainly) and men noticing attractive women (which is natural and normal) to mentally ill people assaulting women on the subway. these have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. assaulting women is a crime, and no normal person is going to say "wow i thought rubbing my dick against a stranger on the subway was ok."

then these women complain about how their assailant smirked, knowing he would get away with it. he only got away with it because they did nothing at the time to get him apprehended. instead, they went home and filmed a youtube video about how furious it made them.

i'd like to see a response to this video where girl 1 says: "I don't like being catcalled, so i don't dress in miniskirts in bad neighborhoods! it works!" girl 2 says, "when the guy on the subway started rubbing his dick, i made a scene and drew attention to him! at the next stop we went straight to the transit police, and as i now had WITNESSES, they were able to apprehend the suspect. it turns out he has done this before, and we were able to get a conviction. he's in jail for 2 years."

liuetenantwaffleiron · 2014-08-04T23:49:26+00:00

My entire response to a friend having shared this: "Dresses provocatively; provokes."

Instantly unfriended.

SarcastiCock · 2014-08-02T22:20:26+00:00

I don't think the video made that claim directly.

Title	All men are objectifying pigs because some of them look at me when I dress in booty shorts, low cut shirts, and cake on makeup.
Author	Jimmyfinder
Upvotes	24
Comments	44
Date	August 2, 2014 10:08 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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