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Anti-Circumcision protester gets a knife pulled on him and responds with pepper spray

JohnKimble111

April 15, 2018
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Title Anti-Circumcision protester gets a knife pulled on him and responds with pepper spray
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JohnKimble111

Upvotes 345
Comments 59
Date April 15, 2018 5:47 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
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[–]TheJazzProphet 128 points129 points130 points 8 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

It's sad that there is such emotion over the idea of cutting and disfiguring the genitals of babies. You would think modern, civilized people would have given up barbaric ritual mutilation long ago, but somehow this practice persists.

[–]Glochidiate 53 points54 points55 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

That's the weird part, I understand the super religious people who hold it as a tradition (as backwards as it is) and I understand people just not giving a shit (apathy isn't great, but at least I understand the logic).

But it's the weird non-religious people who care so much that confuse me. Like why?

[–]old_user_handle 41 points42 points43 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But it's the weird non-religious people who care so much that confuse me. Like why?

Religion just happens to obscure the real issue, which is tribalism. Part of the tribal identity is "we circumcise our male babies". So any attack on the practice, is an attack upon the tribe, which is taken personally.

[–]Glochidiate 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I guess? Just seems like very flimsy logic.

[–]old_user_handle 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, the logic is terrible. But this isn't a matter of logical reasoning. It's emotional reasoning. When one's identity is attacked by accusations that one has acted wrongly by allowing an infant to be mutilated, people first react emotionally and usually with defensiveness. Only after the emotions have been calmed can a person then rationally consider whether their actions have been harmful and whether such practices should be discontinued.

[–]n_surf 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound so cool. I wish we were buddies.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When did he accuse the kinfe wielding thug of those things?

[–]Ragnrok 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To accept that it's wrong is to accept that that wrong thing was done to them. If they have a son they'd have to accept that they did the wrong thing.

It's easier to continue the cycle of abuse than to admit there is one for a lot of people.

[–]mensmod 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To justify the horror that has occurred for so long? If they don't care, they have to accept that something horrible has been done to babies for generations.

[–]Glochidiate 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If they don't care, they have to accept that something horrible has been done to babies for generations.

You misunderstand me. I understand the people that simply don't care. I don't agree with it, but I get it. But the people who support it tacitly because of some cultural norm is what confuses me.

[–]mensmod 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I understand you.

[–]rowan771 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That guy was super religious, as far as I know it's only the orthodox jews who wear those strings around their waste (if you pay attention you can see them).

[–]Glochidiate 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh than that makes sense. Just from the way he's dressed I kind of just assumed. The younger Jews in my area dress very very differently.

[–][deleted] 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]MisterDamage 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How do you develop a set of morals that involves cutting up infant penises without religion?

[–]morthond 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

People naturally get upset when their way of life is questioned. Some people get very upset. It's a primitive instinct.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Upset?

Upset is one thing.

Threatening to kill someone is another.

[–]sknabcv2 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

But its not as bad as FGM and its moar high-jenick plus I think uncircumsized penises are icky!1!!1 /s

[–]WhoaItsAFactorial 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

1!!

1!! = 1

[–]KarateBrot 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol best account name :D

[–]njullpointer 26 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

at what point do you think the correct response to somebody saying "maybe we shouldn't mutilate the penises of little boys for no good reason" is to draw a knife on somebody?

[–]IDeliverToPMME_Users 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well once you got "let's carve religious beliefs into a child's intimate parts", the "I violently react to people opposing this" comes naturally as a next step I guess.

[–]njullpointer 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

...you have a point. A scary point.

[–]IDeliverToPMME_Users 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I didn't.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Theres a lot of dodgy excusers here it seems tryung to justify that behavior.

Wonder how theyd explain things if the protestor, in response to the knife being pulled, had pulled out a gun and shot the guy down?

[–]mikesteane 31 points32 points33 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

His argument that his parents were holocaust survivors, implying that they should be able to do what they want to baby genitals, does not hold up. A disproportionate number of genocides in recent times (11 out of 12) have had circumcising groups as either the main perpetrator or the main victim, 3 of them having circumcising groups on both sides. Barbarism towards babies (and children) leads to barbarism in adult society. See the work of James W Prescott for more information on this.

This article takes the date back to 1860 and comes up with a figure of 20 out of 23 and five having circumcisors on both sides.

This one cross relates the practice of circumcision with the existence of wars, torture and the practice of excision. The correlation is absolutely clear. Here is the conclusion:

CONCLUSIONS NUMBER THE DEATH WARS TORTURE EXCISION OF COUNTRIES PENALTY (in principle) Circumcising 81 70 30 52 44 countries (2,027 B) (86%) (37%) (64%) (54%)* Non-circumcising 92 40 10 46 12 countries (4,116 B) (43%) (11%) (50%) (13%) It must not be inferred from these figures that circumcision would concern 1/3rd of the humans. It only hits 1/5 of them.

  • This table has not formatted correctly on Reddit. The percentages given are for the death penalty, having a war in the period 1996-2002, torture and excision.

Circumcising countries are less populated (26 million on average) than countries which leave their children intact (45 millions on average). Genocide practically never occurs between intacts but of the twenty-five geno-cides of modern times: Circassian Muslims (1860), Congolese (1870), Hereros (1904-07), Greeks (1921-23), Assyrians (1914-20), Armenians (1915), Serbs (41-45), Jews (1942-45), Gypsies (1942-45), Chechens (1944-48), Hindus (India-Pakistan, 1947-49), Muslims (India-Pakistan, 1947-49), Indonesian communists (1965), Biafrans (1966-68), Guineans (1968-79), Bengalis (1971), Hutus (1972), Kurds (1988-89), Tutsis (1994), Bengalis (1990-2000), Bosnians (1991-95), inhabitants of Darfur (2003), Iraqi Kurds (2005), Rohingyas (2012), Yazidis (2015), twenty-four (96%) involved circumcised peo-ples on at least one side and six on both sides. And the Gipsy exception is arguable since some of them are circumcised. The circumcised perpetrated fourteen of them, of which eight against intacts. That strong correlation is logical; a voluntary collective viola-tion of the human body creates a feeling of superiority with those who practise it and the inverse feeling with the others. The holocaust of the foreskins is responsible for all the others. All wars between 1996 and 2002 involved at least one circumcising country and they were more than three times more numerous in circumcising countries. Circumcision makes the fortune of gun merchants. Since the 1972 slaughter in Munich, the quasi-totality of terrorist attacks in the world, as well as those in American universities, have been committed by circumcised. The death penalty is more than twice more frequent in them. Torture is more widespread in them. Most dictators are circumcised.

Making 15% direct deaths and 20% deaths at delivery, excision is a feminicide, 100% correlated with circumcision since it only exists in circumciser countries (a little more than half of them). The feminicide in Eastern Congo is the work of circumcised Hutu looters who afterwards destroy those whom they used as a foreskin. 97% circumcised Congo (DRC) (http://globalhealthsciences.ucsf.edu/sites/default/files/content/pphg/triangulation/DRC.pdf ) holds the world record for rape: 400,000 over a period of one year. In Norway, between 2006 and 2010, 2% of the population who are circumcised commit-ted 100% of the rapes upon ninety per cent of native Norwegians. The individual catastrophe (shoah in Hebrew) of circumcision is responsible, as well in its victims as in their neighbours, intact or not, of a collective paranoia entailing the worst of racisms. In case of conflict, if one of the enemies is circumcised, the outcomes are cata-strophic.

[–]93re2 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

His argument that his parents were holocaust survivors, implying that they should be able to do what they want to baby genitals, does not hold up.

I believe the statement regarding parents who survived the Holocaust was made by the intactivist protestor, not the man attacking him. It was in response to the question "Did you come from Germany?". It was the protestor who replied that he was born there (in Israel) of parents who survived the Holocaust.

[–]mikesteane 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've just watched it again and you are right.

That having been said, the stuff I came up with in a few minutes searching with key words like circumcision and genocide was quite mind boggling. I might make a main post of some of the things I found.

[–]MenDeserveRights 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The vast majority of Gypsies are intact. I know several, and it is not a normal practice in their culture. (Very few Gypsies are Muslims, and virtually none are Jewish)

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I always thought of this but I didn't have the facts. Fascinating!

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What about the Germans in 1940's, they weren't circumcised?

Just wondering?

[–]guillemqv 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His use of the pepper spray could be used as a book example.

[–]Doogle89 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Religion is poison

[–]Moonvie 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When you think about it's kinda poetic that an anti-circumcision protester's weapon of choice is a knife. Someone obviously doesn't like when there are less things to cut in the world.

[–]nikgk 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

It is probably due to its connection to religions. Funny that an 'all powerful god' is such a snowflake in the minds of its followers.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I equate religion with comic strip characters. If Garfield and fucking Dilbert advocated baby mutilation I'd take it just as seriously as a baby penis fellating religion advocating such...... not at all.

[–]nikgk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You got my vote. If i find out someone i know believes in a religion i actally thonk they are psychologically retarded

[–]mikesteane -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It's something I find quite disorientating. How can people who are apparently in charge of all their faculties believe that absurd ancient fairy tales are factually accurate?

[–]nikgk -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

So true. It never ceases ti amaze me. No wonder the world is screwed. They can believe that nonsense you will swallow any old crap

[–]bceltics933 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

HAHAHA YOURE ON MENS RIGHTS

JESUS CHRIST.

No wonder you are obsessed with bitching about unimportant things

[–]nikgk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Explain that disjointed comment if you can

[–]bceltics933 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It would be painful to be you

[–]nikgk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are so right. It hurts

[–]mikesteane -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Religion is unimportant?

[–]bceltics933 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Active in: the red pill, men’s rights, sex, two X chromosomes

Lol leave me alone you fuck

[–]nugymmer 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only defending the mutilation of infants' sex organs, he also threatens someone with a knife.

I would have decked him and then stomped on his head multiple times. I won't discount that I'm an ex-weightlifter and trained in MMA, but a knife is a lethal weapon and he could have easily plunged that thing into my chest...no way Jose, he'd be a goner.

[–]CyberSoldier8 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Should have responded with a handgun, that knife is a lethal weapon.

[–]draginator 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

This isn't america dude.

[–]v574v 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The fact that he yelled for the police and there was actually a police officer there was what told me this didn’t happen in Canada or the USA.

“Pfft! Damn fool yelling for a cop... WHAT?!!??!’

[–]JohnKimble111[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cops are always nearby in Israeli cities due to the huge number of Islamic terror attacks they have to deal with.

He's been attacked again since this incident and the police showed up reasonably quickly on that occasion too.

[–]Adanu0 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So what? Are you saying you don't have the right to defend yourself?

[–]draginator 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, I'm american but even I think that level of force is unnecessary. Especially since you saw how effective the pepper spray was.

[–]Adanu0 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm from the US, and I think that level of force was very justified here. That was a genuine threat to his life. Pepper spray was tame compared to what I'd do.

[–]GrandPappyWilliams 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say both of you are correct.

In this situation, lethal force is completely justified, no doubt about it. However I'd usually prefer nonlethal force if it can be helped.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Next time, sharpen the stick holding the placard, then stake that mutha when he's on the ground, wiping his eyes from the spray-can you imagine the irony of that guy in particular meeting his end by having an anti circumcision placard sticking out his ass?

[–]Rethgil -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only temporarily though. Btw Im not in favour of guns. But that douche deserves the worst kind of ass kicking for pulling a knife and so on.

[–]CyberSoldier8 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No shit, doesn't change the fact that when faced with a lethal threat people have the right to defend themselves with equal force, even if their government has forbidden them the tools to do so.

You'd think the Israelis would have learned their lesson about letting the government take their guns back in 1933.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but if he had would we have seen so many posters trying to explain away his behaviour wirh "well when someones views are challenged its normal to be uoset...."?

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking White Knight prick. Makes me sick this kind of shit.

I once told a girl aquaintance she was being obnoxious outside a club when she was loudly mouthing off to strangers about how rich she was while they obviously werent.

Next thing I know her four male friends white knight me and try to grab me round the throat. I fronted it out enough that they hesitated long enough for bouncers to intervene and stop them. Then I later fronted some more about people I knew, to the extent that they got scared-and apologized to me!!

Result.

But its typical of brainwashed thugs doing womens dirty work. And women usually enocurage it. And NEVER get punished legally for inciting others to violence. But whenever eomen committ crimes they always blame a man for "making them do it".

[–]Dembara 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My grandparents are holocaust survivors. I actively advocate against circumcision.

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