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Femcels and How the narrative changes when it affects women. From they are losers (male incels) to what do they need and how can they better their lives (female incels).

weirdornxtlvl

May 17, 2022
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Title Femcels and How the narrative changes when it affects women. From they are losers (male incels) to what do they need and how can they better their lives (female incels).
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weirdornxtlvl

Upvotes 394
Comments 54
Date May 17, 2022 3:26 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uroxaa/femcels_and_how_the_narrative_changes_when_it/
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[–]AirSailer 157 points158 points159 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A smaller number have recognized a “more politically hopeful” third option, Kay told me, which is to give up on men but not on the world. In abandoning heterosexuality, they work on “finding joy and intimacy in other ways” or “focusing on other areas of life which are not to do with romance and sex.”

Basically the female equivalent of MGTOW. I doubt this group will ever get labelled misandrist though.

[–]veovis523 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They used to call that "political lesbianism"

[–]P_Blueblood 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

imagine being a woman soo repulsive, you need to pretend you're a lesbian while every night using carrots and prentend that those are massive dong from a willing man.

[–]HumanCommunication25 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

imagine being a man soo repulsive, you need to pretend you're a gay man while every night using microwave melons and prentend that those are tight puss from a willing woman.

I like to swap man/woman, it's either more funny or more sad

[–]P_Blueblood 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that doesn't work that way 🙈

a lonely, ugly, straight man would rather going somewhere far far away than pretending he's gay.

[–]ExtraGreenBox 159 points160 points161 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

lookist

They invented a fucking word for having any standard of attraction. Or did an incel come up with it?

“Guys don’t treat ugly girls like people,” reads another.

Girls don't treat average guys like people.

[–]Irrelephantitus 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls when a guy isn't attracted to them:

"Guys don't treat ugly girls like people"

Girls when they aren't attracted to a guy and he complains:

"You're not entitled to my time"

[–]Whitified 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Should be "looks-ist", isn't it? They can't even get it right

[–]OozlumConcorde 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Be careful though, if you find a girl attractive your then objectifying her. You should strive to keep all women in the sweet-spot, where like you would fap to a picture of her in a swimsuit if you didn't have internet access, but you'd also never seek out such an image if you had the choice.

[–]SnooJokes1401 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

These people aren't pink-pilled. They're blue-pilled.

[–]Ash_WasTaken123 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Their crazy pilled

[–]Paltry_Poetaster 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The mainstream media disdains men, all men really, but those of the Caucasian persuasion most of all. Every other news story, article, and opinion piece is something bad about men, and how-to help guides and pep talks for women.

[–]TrainsAcross 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It baffles me how the bar is so low for men to call them pathetic. A man needs to move two boxes to be done with a chore so he moves them both at once - compensating. Drives a car he likes - compensating.

A woman intentionally buy a pair of yoga paints a size too small that has a center back seam aimed at digging into their butt crack so their cheeks pop out on top of, having a make up job that took them an hour, on top of having their boobs pushed up so hard they make a U - we're not supposed to see that as them trying a bit hard. That's not pathetic or an indicator of low self esteem.

That's a woman doing it for her and no one else! If you do get someone to admit maybe they are compensating a little it turns into - Well society makes them feel like they have to measure up to this standard!!!!! So you ask - But isn't there a possibility that plays into how men act. And they'll say or perceive it as - No! They are pathetic insecure "incels"!

There was this woman wearing solid gold yoga pants. Looked like the legs of the robot from Star Wars. But it didn't just stop at solid gold pleather yoga pants. They were high waited so they pulled her stomach in and she had on a t-shirt where he bottom went just to the waist of the yoga pants. And I am supposed to believe that is entirely about her and her doing it for her. There isn't the slightest chance she wants to come off a certain way to people.

And that's another thing. Women always turn it into -She isn't doing it for men!!!!! Men aren't saying that women do stuff like this solely for men. Men say women do this so the outside world as a whole sees them a certain way. Men don't genuinely think women are putting on solid gold yoga pants just for them.

They think they are doing it to express themselves in an aggressive manner and come off to the world a certain way because they want the WORLD to see them a certain way. But women twist it into men thinking women are doing it for them to dismiss the conversation / point that I just laid out.

[–]GivePuppiesBazookas 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and how-to help guides and pep talks for women.

Don't forget the nothing is your fault it's his fault articles, and the "men suffer from X, but here's why it effects women more" dog shit.

[–]Epipha-tree 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think left leaning mainstream media might attack white men most of all but I think black men fare the worst across all mainstream media

[–]Greg_W_Allan 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Black men were the canaries in the mine.

[–]Malkor 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Think I've heard that one before.

Some strange, incredibly smart fellow named Pink Elephant or SWP Disciple or something... No need to be specific...

[–]throwawayincelacc 48 points49 points50 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They came to complain about the superficiality of men and the privilege of pretty women, and to share their experiences moving through the world in an unattractive body, which therefore disadvantaged them romantically, socially, and economically.

it's almost like a whole group of men faced these issues and were shamed for it.

[–]regularcomments 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, these remind me all that people accusing the incel community of being followers of serial mass killers like Elliot Rodger. Accusations that are probably based on just some screenshots out of context.

At the same time, they are admirers of Valerie Solanas and her trash book "the scum manifesto". Justifying that the book is "ironic".

In other words, pure hipocrisy.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

According to mainstream culture:

When a man can't get laid it's the man's fault for being creepy or unattractive.

When a woman can't get laid it's the patriarchy's fault because we expect unreasonable things from women.

[–]InfamousBake1859 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I thought almost any woman can get laid.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They can, but not with the guys they really want

[–]InfamousBake1859 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Not involuntary celibate then. That’s voluntary

[–]OozlumConcorde 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean, to a certain extent the same applies to male incels too.

Broaden your net wide enough and eventually you will find someone willing to fuck you, even they are a divorced alcholic retiree with a long list of fetishes you find utterly disturbing.

I would like to think (but I know it'll vary from person to person) that the real core of both incel movements is a struggle to find meaningful connection, rather than litterally just not having sex.

[–]throwawayincelacc 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Broaden your net wide enough and

eventually

you will find someone willing to fuck you

Male incels claimed this not to be the case. No matter how much they were willing to accept of a woman, their standards were always higher than them. We also know from studies that women tend to hold pretty high standards from the "average" (read: top 10%) man.

[–]RcmdMeABook 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The way I see it. Men aren't really incels because there are always prostitutes. They aren't that expensive either. But yeah "incels" care more about connection and human company I think. Sex is cheap

[–]throwawayincelacc 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I only visited the sub once to see what was happening before turning away, but I believe the stance on prostitution was mixed in that it was technically an out, but not in a fair way. Since it was men paying for something that "everyone else" just did on a regular basis (if they so chose). Maybe if someone who spent time there is around they can always clarify how they saw it.

[–]hawksclone 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Voluntary celibate to work on themselves crowd just wanting to avoid being misunderstood as part of any “-cel” group. I’m my own issue to work on tyvm :)

[–]TheSoviet_Onion 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also these complaining femcels tend to be fat, which is an easily fixed self caused problem. Meanwhile male incels tend to be just shy, short or less successful in life. Though there are obviously also male incels who are fat

[–]Funderwoodsxbox 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’d be surprised how many of them legitimately convince themselves that they have some rare thyroid or hormone issue and “nothing works” for them.

They’re undisciplined. They’ve been handed the easiest, most privileged life in human history and the act of resisting obesity is still too tall an order for them.

[–]tiger_woods_is_goat 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Please do not share direct links to websites like The Atlantic. Use archive.is to starve them of page views and ad views.

Archive link: https://archive.ph/ZBOqs

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great. The Atlantic deserves no click revenue at all

[–]Aggressive_Acadia274 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This needs to be pinned.

[–]Malkor 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm. Yes, it is certainly a difference between coverage for each gender...

​

This was a scary and dizzyingly complicated story, and femcels, whoserage was quieter and whose presence was smaller, didn’t really factorin.

Possibly because they're just online complaining, and no single individuals have taken any action that paints the group as a whole, as being dangerous...

I think maybe the thing we can all agree on is that journalists looking for content that primarily revolves around peoples' experiences on Reddit are trash. For all you know I'm a super-long con and in actuality a Charro in New Mexico, not some IT guy in New York.

[–]KidRetro_95 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The narrative always changes when it effects woman, woman and white knights love throwing the word "incel" around when there's any criticism of woman or pointing out theor double standard, even if using the word incel makes no sense lol

The word incel is as played out as the word racism imo, it just get thrown at people by idiots who can't handle criticism and now it has no meaning anymore.

[–]jamesbwbevis 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is ridiculous, why aren't they shamed like male incels

[–]lumpynose 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Look at the author; it was written by a woman.

[–]alexaxl 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What is a “woman” ? Lol.

[–]Frank_Bianco 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even for the Atlantic, this is drivel.

Men are incels because they are shitty.
Women are incels because men are shitty.

Just because femcel sites were kicked off the entire internet as hate groups, even FDS, doesn't mean they're bad people, right? /s

[–]boomboxspence 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They are all voluntarily celibate

[–]throwawayincelacc 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, it's true. Incels believed that no matter how low their standards were, nobody would date them. These women probably just don't want to lower their standards.

[–]SwiftStrik3 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Femcels don't exist. They're voluntary, because guys standards are so low they'd fuck anything.

[–]OozlumConcorde 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, I do get what you're saying, but isn't "Men always want sex" a myth the sub actively tries to combat?

[–]JediNinjaWizard 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"You see that girl passed out behind the dumpster?"

[–]GivePuppiesBazookas 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing operates on two different rule sets more than feminism, this is including religion and politics. No one does this shit more than feminism.

[–]DeDeepKing 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no one. not even i

[–]ContradictFate 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just read a similar story like this glorifying women that are choosing to be alone (because of their fucking retarded expectations and not because there's no eligible men). I'll have to find it in my sea of open tabs and link it here.

This is what the 21st century has paved the way for though... Absolutely 0 accountibility for women. An "evil disgusting, woman hating, school shooting MGTOW" is reversed with a empowered and strong wamen living her BEST life on her own just like we've been seeing how a FAT man = "curvy" woman.

There is no such thing as a fat whale of a woman, just like there is no such thing as a "curvy" man. I said it's recently but examples like this was a great reason to never left women vote. 😅 With power comes responsibility and with responsibility comes accountibility and women don't do any of that shit anymore.

[+]temporaryaccount945 -27 points-26 points-25 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I do not recall a female ever going on a shooting spree because nobody wanted to date her. 😂

Edit: yo can someone explain the downvotes it's my first time here there must be a rule i broke or brigading

[–]DirtyPartyMan 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And I have never heard of a man dumping a new born fetus into a high school locker room trashcan just so she can get back to the prom but here we are

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They seem like two completely different things, despite the name.

Femcels, as described in this piece, are more like the female equivalent of MGTOWs, but with less "developed" philosophies and ideas. They're nothing like the way the article defines incels.

[+]temporaryaccount945 -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the counterpart to mgtow is female dating strategy. I don't know what it's called nowadays. BIt's hard to keep track of what subs get shut down. I'd be interested to see how many are subscribed to the incels sub vs the femcel sub. Didn't they have issues with too many men hitting on femcels? The joke writes itself...

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Pretty sure FDS is gone now. Started playing too much with TERF ideas.

I don't have any experience with the incel mindset (by which I mean the philosophy, not just being involuntarily celibate). But there's something about the way it always gets described in articles like this - the way they just put it down to male entitlement - that always rings false to me. I've never encountered a man who thinks he's entitled to sex like that, like the universe owes it to him. I might be wrong.

It feels more like a really maladjusted way of dealing with the grief of extreme isolation and loneliness.

[–]temporaryaccount945 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't disagree

[–]Svensonsan2 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Black pill is the best lowest order approximation to the dating market, it breaks down when mental illness is no longer neglegable in the eyes of other people. It works on both sides but much better for men due to hypergami. In females its mostly neglegable for the average/above average looking women while men who are average looking it plays a big role in dating.

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