I've often heard people say: "I'm for equality", only to have someone retort: "Well, then you're a feminist". By that token, I always wonder why radical feminist groups, are so eager to shut down all MRM efforts. Because clearly, since MRA's advocate equality, then we must be feminists too. Right? Oh... Appearently not.
Feminists consistently try to hog the word 'equality', because they have deluded themselves into thinking, that they are about men's rights too. I'm talking about the feminist thinkers who support feminist theory here, and who have taken the mission to fight patriarchy upon themselves. These people, who sit on their benches in academia; or who stand at the great blackboards in so-called 'women's studies' and 'gender studies' at western universites; are mostly women. They have female professors, female students, and female thinkers. They almost exclusively read books by female authors, and they are talking constantly about women's issues and women's history.
Yet; they still proclaim to speak for men. They have no idea what men are about. They don't know what men face, what they think, or how they feel as a collective. They have never tried to walk in men's shoes. They don't know what it means to face problems as men, or to grow up in society as a man. They do not represent us, and if they cannot represent the male half of the population, then they are not for equality.
We need to get people to point out, at every oppertunity, that feminism is not the same as equality. Just like the front page post, made by Zuzzie claims: "Equality is a concept that's not owned by feminism so don't push your label on me!". Let's change that discourse. Feminism =/= equality.
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Well that's kinda fucked up!
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Well, it seems pretty obvious to me that removing traditional gender roles would be good for everyone. Ending domestic violence would be good for everyone. Ending rape culture would make fewer rape victims of both sexes. Getting people to think traditionally feminine stuff is ok would benefit a lot of gays, trans* folks, and all the straight men who don't really want to play football or who would rather raise kids than focus on work or who would rather have custody in a divorce.
Is it bad for men to work towards equality? Only if if you think that more rights for women means LESS RIGHTS for men. Or if you're really attached to raping or whatever. :/
But you're right, I shouldn't expect a group of men whose common trait is that they feel oppressed to have a ton of empathy for those beneath them.
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I'm hearing this logic a lot: supporting men's rights means opposing the political movement called feminism.
Am I hearing that correctly?
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Kind of hard to justify helping women.
Hard to justify helping women.
Oh dear...
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Islam = terrorism religion? Where's a RacismSniffingDog when you need one?
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OK, I'm a female feminist and I say it's fine. Because if we're determining one man's right to call himself a feminist, then one woman's opinion is certainly relevant.
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Health issues differ between sexes, yes. What "emotional and social requirements" are you referring to?
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Socialized, not biological differences. Differences don't "seep into" social life, they come FROM social life. Our existence as social creatures. This seems patently obvious to me but perhaps there's more doubt than I realized...?
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Ooh, pseudoscience AND bad grammar!? Marry me.
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That's right. I'm a woman and I deal with these things every day.
One issue you forgot is one of the biggest: the threat of sexual violence. You've named unwelcome sexual attention as a problem for women, which is absolutely accurate, but it goes deeper. If I walk alone at night, I'm holding my keys or pepper spray or a pocket knife, just in case. If I'm at a party, I'm watching my drink and I'm not taking rides from anyone I don't know. I take a buddy to the bathroom when I can (and then some guys mock us for going to the bathroom in "packs"!). If I'm outside, men yell at me from cars or across the street. I avoid men when I'm walking alone. And so on.
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Do you think I don't know this? The vast majority of people are not who I'm watching out for. It's the one creep on the train that ruins my day. The one date who won't let me leave. The one stranger blocking the exit.
I'm trying to make the point that we women have to watch our backs constantly. Crossing streets, taking the bus, riding the subway; harassment happens all the time, and there's always the thought in the back of your mind, "this could get worse."
And add to that the knowledge that most rapes are done by people you know, and it's stupid not be vigilant.
Try walking around while female, especially in the city where I live, and tell me I'm paranoid. Ask the women you know if they've ever had their keys out with the thought that they might need a weapon.
The privilege oozes from your comments. For the love of pete, have some empathy, dude. Remember that one out of every six women you know (worldwide estimates say 1 in 4) has been or will be sexually assaulted or raped. I'm one of those women.
Do not tell me I'm being paranoid and then expect me and women like me to rush to support your anti-circumcision crusade or whatever. No matter how worthy your cause, you're only hurting it by letting your ignorance hang out. Zip that shit up.
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Thanks, I truly appreciate the apology, if not the ad hominem parting shot. :)
Yes, exactly.
Well it wouldn't, would it. An American woman has experiences a Scandinavian man does not. This is why I am trying to share my experiences.
It's hard to engage in these discussions in good faith when I get this response. I'm not going to stop trying, and I'm not blaming you for what is clearly a common problem, but I am telling you to listen to what people are saying about life in other social strata and other places. Being isolated geographically isn't an excuse for ignorance.
I was wrong to imply that you have no empathy; you obviously do, or you wouldn't have deigned to notice problems affecting females. But we can all stand to have more.
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Feminism is sexist because they only focus on women's rights.
Only focuses on men's rights.
LOL
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