It is pointless. Things just keep getting worse.

International_Risk82 · 2021-10-13T16:18:11+00:00

No one person can change the world no matter how hard he wishes or tries. The best thing you can do is apply the change you wish to see in the world in your life and keep speaking out. Given time, the movement will grow big enough to have a dramatic effect. Life's shit, but we gotta have hope.

ShiningLight_2 · 2021-10-13T18:51:16+00:00

I feel this sub, and this movement will become useless if the left and the feminists successfully brainwash kids in school. It's already happening a lot in the west, and a large part of it is hidden from the parents, so if they successfully plant this idea in the minds of our youths, then yes, we would really be fucked.

Pedroo214 · 2021-10-13T15:46:00+00:00

I'm on the opposite side of yours.

This sub gives me some hope, because I know there are people who understands the situation we are in. I even saw a lot of women's posts here, so it's not just dudes in their little club.

We should aways focus on telling the truth, helping who needs help and trying to achieve real equality of rights and opportunity, that's it.

Don't be mad or lose hope because someone disagrees with you, those people will aways exist.

hottake_toothache · 2021-10-13T18:23:14+00:00

You are just starting to understand the nature of the problem. Focus on yourself and other men in the movement. Normies prefer male disposability, and there is no way to change that.

TheSoviet_Onion · 2021-10-13T22:08:45+00:00

I don't support the idea that "normal feminism" is about equality, feminism is and always has been about women, and in some rare cases about men, if it is convenient for women.

Feminism has brainwashed most young women to various degrees. For example my now ex-girlfriend shared several social media posts about women's rights to their body and how men try to control women (related to the abortion thing in Texas) we'll both of us lived in Finland, I happen to be a law student and she was trying to get in law school too, so I informed her that in Finland it is men that don't have control over their own bodies while women do, so of you actually care about equality you should be posting MRA posts about men's bodies, instead of importing a state spesific problem from the US. And obviously and expectedly she got mad, and her female friends didn't approve.

For context Finland has mandatory millitary service for men and only men, with voluntary service for women.

Male children can have their genitals mutilated legally by their parents. While at the same time female genital mutilation is banned and a new law by our female dominated government will also ban transporting you female child abroad to be mutilated, boys are yet again ignored.

Men obviously have no reproductive rights, with women having full control deciding whether they want to have an abortion, or give birth a d force the father to pay child support. Contraceptive fraud is not illegal and there's no law stopping female rapists from demanding child support from their victims (though as far as I know there aren't legal cases like this yet)

And these are just bodily autonomy related issues, there are many other laws that discriminate agaiy men that are generally ignored by feminists.

EmirikolWoker · 2021-10-13T12:37:05+00:00

The Civil Rights movement in the US was quite a bit before my time. I presume they went through similar dark nights of the soul before coming out on the other side. Nobody said this would be over by Christmas.

Keep telling the truth. It's on the side of mens rights advocacy.

PARACHUTING_MOOSE · 2021-10-13T13:21:14+00:00

Keep on trying to convince them that sexism towards men is a real thing (but don't be annoying about it), eventually they might listen. Just send them example of news stuff about men being discriminated against.

HPUnicorn · 2021-10-13T13:51:19+00:00

I said this to a woman some time ago.

"If you want to look at feminism and what is is currently fighter for in the west, lets lists them"

No real order

1) Mansplaining - Men talking down to wome or at least women think they are.

2) Manspreading - Men taking up too much room on the bus etc.

3) Air conditioning is set too high, it's too cold

4) Women being asked to smile too much

Yes, those things all sound so important.

Starmind0 · 2021-10-13T21:48:30+00:00

You're special for being different from those misandrists. I know how you're feeling, but the men's rights movement have made tons of changes as well as changed lots of minds which is much more important. When you talk to your family about this, have confidence and explain all you can without backing down. Let them know that men face those issues, and they're not just gonna "ask" for their rights, but demand it and take it. Everything starts small, you can build up from here and start educating your family to change their misandristic behavior. And to give you more hope, i changed my own family. They dropped their sexism and misandry after the truth hits.

Business_Hyena67 · 2021-10-14T05:02:27+00:00

More and more Men realize that feminism isn't about equality, it's about female superiority. They start to realize that the more feminism gains power, more unequal genders becomes. Young Men doesn't accept that. In old times Men were able to be brainwashed into sacrificing their life so women can live comfortably. But this unequal system is giving errors with young generations. Young Males have no issue hitting women with their own weapons.

We'll see that feminism being continued to be used by politicians in order to gain votes of females and Male feminists. They'll continue trying to make Men believe it is how world should be. But this feminist inclination will make more and more Men support and defend Male rights. Only when Male rights become large enough we'll be able to be taken serious by authorities. Right now they are ignoring Male problems. But they will be forced to notice us then. When that happens we'll be able to see world rulers finally talking about true equalist policies.

Nathaniel66 · 2021-10-14T06:45:20+00:00

I'm with you.

My mother also said "you can't rape a man" and i was shocked. She said, if he gets hard he wants it. Damn, between 15 and 30 i got random boners very often, not mentioning any touch of a girl with no sexual context. If even your mother is against you on this, it's seriously hard to convince whole society :/

imextremelymoderate · 2021-10-14T10:41:36+00:00

This sub is far from useless. You've just realized that change is going to be much harder than simply pointing out the inequalities. I had the same naive assumption because that's how it works with feminism

throwaway_thursday32 · 2021-10-13T19:04:54+00:00

We don't talk about men's issues in a compassionate nor realistic way I feel, and I am very sorry you feel so down about the situation, I can understand why. I am not downplaying your experience or your suffering; but I think, we should all remember that our social circles (online and offline) can be echo chambers.

Maybe my perspective will cast a ray of hope? I dunno... I, a woman, coming from a feminist background and lurking on feminist subreddits, rarely hear what you heard (the "men's rape is a joke" idea). You can surround yourself by people who have very different opinions and feel like you are all alone. In my feminist circles, we bemoan that there is no shelter or special care for men in abusive relationships. We validate men victim of rape and share their stories. We talk back to men that shame other men for having being raped, as if it wasn't possible. In other feminist circles, I know they don't bother to do that. It doesn't align with my believes and so I stay away from them. My bf of 13 years was a victim of rape and grooming and it impacted him - us as a couple - as much as my own rape did. This is an issue I simply cannot avoid.

So when you say "people", it is so broad. Of course you cannot be the only one thinking the way you are. The solution is, like for every other social issue in history, to be brave and talk about it... or wait for the situation to be unsustainable and crash. It cannot be easy. People who talk get backlash. There were always people braver (or crazier) than others to start militing. And it takes time. But it is sure that if you give up, if you do nothing, yeah, nothing will change. That said, you have the right to choose how you want to live your life. People who don't make waves have peaceful lives. In these trying times, it's not a little thing.

"Extreme feminism" doesn't really mean anything but I think I get what you're saying. It became "trendy" to be so critical of men that people loose the big picture -or any form of realism and become misandrists. People think they are expert sociologists because they experienced something similar to thousands of other people, without understand why they experienced it. There is a double standard while talking about the other gender in both camp, I've seen. For exemple, I see people in this sub saying "dating isn't worth it" and I see the same idea in feminist subreddits, sometimes for the same things (cheating, finances, abuse, mental illness ect)

We just stopped communicating (were never good at it but nvm). It's up to everyone to keep the channels open. It doesn't have to be exhausting, you must have boundaries. if someone doesn't want to talk, ignore them. If they talk straight up nonsense with no justification, leave them alone. Talk to people that are already open to new opinions. Build interesting relationships and mute those who are harmeful to you. If someone said something like your brother and mom did, I would have mentally dismissed and stoped talking to them about this kind of thing, seeing as they don't know what they are talking about at all. It hurts when it's family, but it must be done for your own sanity.

Hope my two cents were interesting. Take care.

Complex-Stress373 · 2021-10-13T14:59:02+00:00

visibility bring chnages. mostly for men, for their issues there is no visibility at all

KyleButler77 · 2021-10-13T13:26:42+00:00

When it comes to feminism, all modern feminism is extremist. Unequal treatment of women in modern Western society is reality but it is exclusively to women’s benefit. If women are treated differently they are always treated better.

You should pick your battles and, I think, that men’s rights movement in general should focus on more relevant issues that those that have more to do with fantasy than reality.

A lot of people (myself including), men and women, are skeptical of the notion of women raping men. Not that it cannot happen in theory but it is not a real problem and trying to persuade society that it is is a fool’s errand that will make people not take you seriously.

Similarly, society don’t and never will treat adult women sleeping with underage males the same way as adult males sleeping with underage females. If male teacher slept with my teenage daughter I would want to rip his entrails out and suffocate him with them. And if a female teacher slept with my teenage son I would probably chuckle and pat him on the back. Spare me lecture on “psychological damage” and other bs. I was a teenager too, my first woman was in her late twenties I was 16. Best thing that ever happened to me. If she was a “predator” we need a conservation program for predators like that.

So rather than focus on imaginary issues we need to focus on real issues that society is more likely to agree exist. Lack of due process for men when women make allegations of sexual assault. Family court and judges heavily favoring women in divorce and custody matters. Disparate treatment of men and women by judicial system in cases of domestic violence. Those are real problems with real impact, and those should be our focus.

regularcomments · 2021-10-13T21:12:26+00:00

While people still believe that feminist has only been "extreme" until recently, it will still have the dominant speech. Feminism has ALWAYS BEEN EXTREME. All the supposed achievements which women owe them were achieved because of multiple factors, feminism only make-believe people that they have a "sacred past " to justify the misandry nature of the movement. It isn´t much different from religion or other political ideologies, which is almost an obligation to change some historical events to fit their narrative.

RandomHuman2354 · 2021-10-13T12:16:20+00:00

Few decades ago same thing was also going on with women so don't lose hope. I think these should be different ways other than a subreddit to promote mens rights.

g1455ofwater · 2021-10-13T21:58:21+00:00

It's much easier to expose double standards of people you know since you can bring up how their attitude was different in similar situations where the sexes were reversed.

Now if those people are intellectually dishonest and don't care about equality it becomes very difficult to get fair treatment or compassion from them. You can still chip away very slowly at their discriminatory attitude if you relentlessly keep exposing them to news of men being treated badly.

InterestingWave0 · 2021-10-13T22:46:25+00:00

It's pointless to talk about these things with people in real life. Nobody is going to change their opinion after a conversation with a random person. If they are open to it they will seek out the information online and engage in discussion. I usually won't talk about any of this stuff face to face because any time I've tried in the past it goes absolutely nowhere and everyone gets pissed off.

yahaya146 · 2021-10-14T06:26:44+00:00

Simply walking away from society will fix it

ThraxWrites · 2021-10-16T21:56:35+00:00

Tell them about how if a 13 year old boy gets his 25 year old prof pregnant, in 5 years he has to backpay child support.

Front-Imagination519 · 2021-10-13T18:56:34+00:00

Men can be recognised as rape victims though?

Keopsfuj · 2021-10-13T17:01:53+00:00

It is because you don't know your real enemy which is patriarchy, and you don't know what is the cure either, which is feminism.

2021-10-13T21:00:59+00:00

Dont worry bro and when women said who hurt you then she want to make fun out of you

Title	It is pointless. Things just keep getting worse.
Author	cristoZz_
Upvotes	179
Comments	89
Date	October 13, 2021 12:11 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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