Time for another sticky for discussion. This is a comment from a thread a few days ago, which I thought deserved more attention. So, from u/5HourEnergyExtra:

> 1) Why do you seem to spend so long bashing feminism?

Feminism is currently the dominant narrative for understanding gender in America. It shapes perceptions on gender and drastically affects how problems get solved or if they get solved at all. The patriarchy paradigm which has always dominated feminism casts men as the privileged class, suffering from sexism only when sexism against women backfires. From this view, it's nearly impossible to advocate for actual men's issues. Because of that, we challenge it. Feminism is the hurdle in the way of solving men's problems.

Moreover, feminism suppresses male issues. From 3rd wave feminist leader's The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love:

> The male bashing that was so intense when contemporary feminism first surfaced more than thirty years ago was in part the rageful coverup of the shame women felt not because men refused to share their power but because we could not seduce, cajole, or entice men to share their emotions to love us.

> By claiming that they wanted the power men had, man-hating feminists (who were by no means the majority) covertly proclaimed that they too wanted to be rewarded for being out of touch with their feelings, for being unable to love. Men in patriarchal culture responded to feminist demand for greater equity in the work world and in the sexual world by making room, by sharing the spheres of power. The place where most men refused to change--believed themselves unable to change--was in their emotional lives. Not even for the love and respect of liberated women were men willing to come to the table of love as equal partners ready to share the feast.

She goes on to talk about men's feelings and so on. It seems like a nice gesture but it really isn't. MRAs don't care about our feelings. We care about real quantifiable data. Being excluded from education, discriminated against in court, facing the lion's share of violence, paternity fraud and so on, are real issues with nothing to do with feeling. Bell Hooks is trivializing drastic and brutal issues to the point where it looks like we have none, when many MRAs believe men face every single one of the quantifiable gender issues.

> (We are talking about the whole movement not the few extremists who ruin it for everyone)

It's the extremists who get shit done. Where are the moderates marching against the AAUW and NOW, decrying the academics, and trying to change things? Nowhere. They sit around acting like yes-men for the extremists while doing nothing productive. They also give the extremists free PR. They are functionally necessary for the extremists and useless for MRAs.

As Karen Straughan once said, "Not all feminists are like that, but every feminist who matters is like that."

> 2) Why do you never talk about gay mens rights?

I think that feminism only co-ops issues like intersectional ones because they're out of real women's issues and need to stay relevant. The right answer here is that issues affecting all men, who btw are not a privileged class, are so prevalent and under discussed that we need to focus on them, rather than the right to marry. The second part of the right answer is that we do fight for the rights of gay men since they are men. We fight for their right not to face so much violence, to not be discriminated against in education, and so on.

Also, this is on the front page right now.

> 3) There's hardly any if any at all about transmen, do you not support them?

Of course there is.

> 4) What do you support and what do you dismiss?

We support real, quantifiable, dangerous problems. Common talking points are discrimination in education, discrimination in family court, in penal court, rampant violence, treatment of male DV victims (who are btw the majority of DV victims) and rape victims, over-imprisonment due to gender, unjust marriage laws like alimony, unjust child support laws, the lack of awareness that male rape victims are at least as common as female ones, the draft, men being denied bodily autonomy as early as infanthood, demonization of men in culture, the overwhelming number of homeless males relative to female one and yet so few male shelters, and more.

Here's a good list of issues from our sidebar: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uwekw/facts_and_statistics_detailing_male_oppression/

And here's a good compilation for DV: http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrightslinks/comments/y0mnx/dvipc_summary/

Also, check out /r/MRRef. I've spent the last month filling it with some really good studies and shit which even just by headline show a lot of discrimination vs men and it's all backed by great sources.