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Okay so your heart is sort of in the right place, but you're sort of going about it the wrong way.
Rape isn't about sex, it isn't about societal pressures to have sex and it certainly isn't about being/becoming a man. At a clinical level it stems from a desire to assert dominance. First of all that desire isn't a strict male characteristic (but does affect us a lot). There are a lot of people who are perfectly "fine" as far as society is concerned but they too can be/become rapists... The driving force is the same as in some cases of murder and arson. It's all about being able to feel dominance.
Now why that desire stems in an individual is as unique as a snowflake. You cannot, absolutely cannot, say with any certainty that the same factors apply to everyone...eg. peers who mock you into feeling ashamed about virginity will drive everyone to become rapists, perhaps applies to one or a group of individuals, but certainly not everyone or even the majority.
It's true that systemic problems in society can be addressed to help people and decrease the likelihood of rapists, among other criminal behaviours... but the notion by the OP and ErasmusMRA is oversimplifying a very complex issue.
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Dear Sir, What I said is not feminist a theory, it's something of a well researched scientific finding, that I learned in many a clinical psychology classes, Abnormal psych, then forensics psych classes. BTW, I'm not a woman or some sort of crying mangina either, that I seek to antagonize you.
I don't care how you relate historic biological imperatives to a complex behaviour. If that was the case we all have a brainstem, limbic system and basal ganglia. While it is possible that tumors (like pituitary adenomas) or other malignant growths can sometimes impinge certain nuclei (like portions of the adenohypophysis - anterior hypothalamus) and make people prone to more certain behaviours of sexual aggression, but that category of behaviour is observably different. After episodes of stroke or vascular lesions there could also be marked changes in behaviours.
But going back to my point, we all have these basic structures responsible for certain behaviours (including promotion of "fucking") and there are a large number of us who don't have a 'Mate' for what ever reason... but hordes of single men don't head out on the prowl to seek these mates by force.
And, NO, you are wrong, rape is not an alternative reproductive strategy. Also your anthropology is off... In the early Homo (close ancestor to Humans) of subfamily Homininae we developed paragons to monogamy, not by increasing inter-male competitiveness but rather increased cooprativity, between groups of males and females alike. This is also a large reason for the decrease in sexual dimorphism in the Homo sapiens.
Just because there is a statistic out there, that shows women who get raped are more likely to get pregnant is not enough reason (scientifically) to draw conclusions about the rapists subconscious. Based on the rest of your rhetoric... I cannot say that I believe the statistics you claim, but I'll let that go for now.
I don't know where you got most of these arguments but they are not valid...I'm sorry to be blunt like that, but you need to not look at everything through a telescope of metaphorical orientalism vs. occidentalism.
Going back to your first argument (why not smack her around a bit?) Rapists have grades of behaviour, some only seek to exert control and rape is due to escalation. Some cases rape is primary intent, and the escalation is mutilation/ torture or murder. These people are not thinking in terms of what is the easiest way to achieve evolutionary sexual fitness, the problem is mental imbalance and psychiatric issues that need to be resolved.
Also in a very small category you could perhaps see people with superman syndrome to be the perpetrators. But again that doesn't align with any argument you postulated.
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Ok... so I'll say this again...
Dominance: YES
Strictly a male behaviour (to seek dominance): NO
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That being said, you must understand that there are basic differences in male and female biology, males do seek dominance more than females.
'People' who are rapists have mental problems. I'm not saying men are the only ones to have these issues.
Another thing, unlike feminists who blame men for rape. I'm not simply blaming men or even rapists (I do abhor the act though). I'm saying we need to provide psychiatric help to those individuals who rape, and rehabilitate them.
By the way, when you claim science to be propaganda, you sound like a critic of evolution who believes the Earth is a few thousand years old and the Jews are responsible for the fossils. Cut that Shit out.
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Psychology and Psychiatry are not social biology
The argument of ErasmusMRA about evolution and its link to our desire to force fuck, that is social biology.
When people claimed homosexuality to be a mental illness, science researched and came up with not enough evidence to support the claim and said that and moved on.... The same scientists who speak to Todd Akin about legitimate rape must the be people who came up with homosexuals and mental illness.
Science doesn't claim that transexuals are mentally ill... I don't know why you think that.
I'm not saying psych is 100% correct, but there is a mountain of scientific evidence that supports what I'm saying... Where as you guys are just going of what you think is right.
I don't know what particular point you are trying to argue here, but I laid out actual arguments that you can look up and check their validity yourself. Both you and ErasmusMRA are just arguing based on non-sense.
I actually don't/didn't study social biology, I studied years of Neuro, and abnormal/clinical psych (where we look at patterns of abnormal behaviour and possible etiology) in the latter courses more important that etiology was understanding the patterns of behaviour. Neuro is where etiology kicks in and I presented a few arguments about that as well.
So before you act like a 5 year old, read what I wrote earlier.
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