So discouraged

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-02-14T21:32:43+00:00

Yeah, I hear you. Any women I'd be chatting with that parroted feminist talking points, I just mentally put on my list of "do not ask for her #".

One idea would be to try finding a cause you believe in and do volunteer work for it. The women I met at places like that who were volunteering too were generally kinder and not so narcissistic or solipsistic.

A_British_Villain · 2023-02-14T22:32:58+00:00

Like it or not, you are becoming red pilled, it is never a fun and easy time.

Dapper_Beautiful_559 · 2023-02-14T23:57:34+00:00

One source of hope I have is I’m going to move away. I’ve wanted to get away from this society bullshit for a long time, because there’s no fixing it. I’m just gonna move to either another country, or more likely to the middle of fucking nowhere and live off the land. I’m just gonna let western society implode on itself while I’m far far away.

DueCartographer9215 · 2023-02-14T21:29:59+00:00

You dealing with indoctrinated people who have been brainwashed by the education system, the entertainment industry, mainstream media, and social media. And feminist organizations and projects are getting tens or maybe even hundreds of billions annually while also having the support of the many, many powerful men.

Still, they are losing the hearts of people...too focused on power, and too much money and influence is involved. Live your best life, become stronger, and encourage other men.

CawlinAlcarz · 2023-02-14T20:53:56+00:00

Do these women treat YOU as a second class person? Do they treat YOU with misandry?

Lots of people say lots of things because they don't really think them through. Certainly people might find deeply polar ideologies might make them not a good romantic match, but there is a BIG difference between words and actions.

Here is what I suggest:

Do not simp. Do not put on a vagina hat, do not wear feminist slogans on your apparel and do not take her out in public with you if she is doing so.

If the woman expresses some real personal fears - like being afraid to go jogging by herself in the park at night, it's certainly reasonable to sympathize with her. To be honest, I'm a pretty imposing male and wouldn't go jogging alone at night in a park either.

However, if the woman expresses some statistics about DV, you can sympathize with her that DV is terrible for EVERYONE. You can also point out that in the VAST majority of cases of DV, the abuse is at least somewhat mutual - i.e. both partners are abusive towards the other - physically - and often it's the female perpetrating violence as frequently or MORE frequently (though to lesser effect) than the male.

Any honest DV counselor or case worker will validate this fact. Now, you need to tell her that this doesn't justify anyone being violent with anyone, but at the very least it shows that men do not have the market cornered on being violent with their spouses. You can also point out to her that lesbian relationships have the most prevalence of reported DV.

If she wants to point out to you cases of misogyny, you can easily present counter arguments to her of blatant misandry, but if you come out of the gate first with all the examples of misandry, she will think you're an incel and run the other way.

Example:

Woman: It's awful how he sexualization of women has led to such a high rate of depression and suicide among women. Can you believe that 1 in 5 suicides are women!

You: Yeah, suicide is awful. I wonder what a list of the causes of the 4 in 5 suicides that are men looks like.

The point is that if you value her, then you can work on her as an individual, and point out the flaws in her perceptions and positions in a way that isn't super abrasive.

Another example:

Woman: It's so great that colleges are preferentially admitting women and employers are hiring them in STEM fields these days. I am glad to know that if I ever have a daughter, she will not have any issues getting into college for any major she wants!

You: Yeah, that is great. What do you think it would look like for a son you might have?

better-call-mik3 · 2023-02-15T03:27:29+00:00

Stay single my friend. You don't need a woman in your life. Find happiness with yourself. Being single and alone us much much better than dating at least 90% of women under 40 (and I am erring on the side of generosity with that percentage). Most women will just tear you down and frankly having one that is actually decent won't make it much better than you can make it on your own. It's an extremely high risk extremely low reward game

Also if you insist on dating, ask their thoughts on feminism and tell her you will be getting paternity tests for all kids the woman you end up with have. If she answers she isn't an unabashed anti feminist for the former or flips out at the thought of the latter, don't plan a 2nd date

JoeyBellef · 2023-02-15T12:22:17+00:00

After three failed relationships that completely wiped me out financially and emotionally I’ve decided that masturbation is the key. Before you assume that I’m making a crude statement please see it for what it is. Today, women provide very little and take so much, so it’s not worth risking any type of future I can cobble together in the time I have left.

TaxNegative161 · 2023-02-14T20:50:59+00:00

Yes, holding the beliefs held here will scare the shit out of 99% of women in democratic countries.

SouthernSeeker · 2023-02-14T23:17:18+00:00

The really sad part is that it's NOT hatred- not most of the time, anyway- just disregard. Hatred means they at least care.

I turned 18 at the time the country was gearing up the war with Iraq. That sentence tells you less than might think at first glance, since it not only doesn't tell you which war, but which country. Those poor people between the rivers have been getting stomped on by pretty much every major power in the history of the world, and the reaction of the rest of us when it happens is "Oh. That's a shame". Then we move on.

The average man or woman in the street has nothing in particular against Faisal or Wakaz or Ali, but they don't really care if he gets blown apart by a cruise missile. That's kinda how they feel about men.

When the SS sent me the registration letter, I fully intended to refuse, which naturally infuriated my mother. We were still arguing when my dad came home. He demanded to know what was going on, so I thrust the letter in his face. He took it, read it, collapsed down into a chair, and just sat there, staring at it. I don't know what he was thinking; he still hadn't spoken or moved an hour or so later when I finally gave up on my mother and stormed off to bed.
Mom couldn't understand why I was so worried about what was "purely theoretical", no matter how much I tried to explain that having my life treated as public property was a bigger- and extremely concrete- problem.

And then Dubya said it was time to reactivate the draft boards.

Once I calmed my mental screaming, I realized what I needed to do: I went on the SS's website and signed up. They WERE taking applications; I still have the letter they sent me to prove it. I put in a request to join, and then I stopped getting the mail.

When I came home the day it arrived, my mother had the strangest look on her face: a combination of terror and relief. She'd seen where the letter was from and opened it (illegally, no less) and told me she'd been absolutely horrified when she saw it. Now was the time- I grabbed her shirt collar and yanked her face right up to mine, forcing her on to her toes, and said "What you felt when you saw that letter is what I've felt every single day since the first one arrived. NOW do you get it? NOW do you understand?".

And my mother- who wasn't just "my mother", but the most sensitive, empathetic person I've ever known... didn't. She honestly couldn't understand why it was such a problem. Nor was she alone; I'd gone, desperate, terrified, and begging for help, to every surviving person who'd ever told me they loved me, only to find no one would lift a finger, or even a tongue, in my defense.

Things have only gotten worse since- I'd been watching the NCFM lawsuit like a hawk, eager to see the backlash (and, to be blunt, to throw it into the faces of everyone who'd ever told me "there's nothing that can be done about it"); hearing of Marc Angelucci's murder (and the subsequent election of a guy who's waging a personal war on the Bill of Rights) was a blow like none other, and remember all the other horrors of that year. I'm usually to polite to say this, but since you asked... in this climate, dating is a sign of insanity.

The way to keep from losing hope is to be a source of it. These problems are not going to be solved in our lifetimes; we may see improvement on a few, but asking people to confront them is asking them to defy tradition, social expectation, biological instinct, sociopolitical zeitgeist, and in some cases, even religion. Not a lot of people are going to be willing to do that, even if they CAN bring themselves to try. Every question you get someone to ask themselves is a victory- every time you make someone realize they aren't being fair, apologize and make it right, you've advanced the cause. Today, it's just a spark- some day, it may be a bonfire, even if we're not around to see it.

Digger_is_taken · 2023-02-15T04:02:25+00:00

Just keep dating until you find someone that you get along with. It can get discouraging but eventually you'll find someone

_Blue_guy · 2023-02-15T18:15:10+00:00

Genuine question: what are you talking about? Like, what are you referring to?

AmbitionMysterious83 · 2023-02-14T20:46:20+00:00

Where are you meeting the women you're dating? From apps or a church?

Equal-End7695 · 2023-02-14T23:20:21+00:00

Really want a quick date? Ask a woman, "What can you tell me you bring to the table without using the words table or body". They get pissed! How DARE you ask such a thing you a-hole!
The sad part, what men (blanket statement) want is a clean home to come home to, food on the table and to make some sweet love here and there. That makes us sound so misogynistic, but in reality it's literally things from a time period where women stayed home, raised kids and did such things. How could such things be viewed as evil is beyond me.

Our basic needs haven't changed, women have.

RaydenAdro · 2023-02-15T05:32:57+00:00

What do these woman do that make you feel this way?

etjustice · 2023-02-15T09:00:36+00:00

Avoid this kind of people, both men and women

Ouch78 · 2023-02-16T03:16:12+00:00

After being in an abusive 5-year relationship with a female covert narcissist, I gladly shout out these toxic double standards and put them on the spot when presented with one and ask them to justify why they should feel entilted to do what they say or act ,and not be held accountable for their actions. You wouldn't expect it from a man, so why should I. no one has time for someone's elses drama lifes to short for their toxic shit. let a cat deal with it.

p.s never be afraid to call out toxicity, if at you or others expense, in the end its just words and those that really know dont give two shits about gossip as they have seen the real you through actions.

time to level up King

CosmicTanuki · 2023-02-15T07:05:16+00:00

Just don't pursue women. When they are ready to be equals, they'll approach.

My advice is to get sex toys. If they can buy their dog dick and horse cock dildos, you can buy anything I've seen marketed as a male sex toy.

I haven't seen male beastiality toys yet. Has anyone else? Not asking to get one, just looking on the other side of the fence like yeesh, gross.

IceCorrect · 2023-02-14T22:02:46+00:00

Remember when you brake up with her after noticing what type of person she is, she would call that you used her and you are the scumbag

Spare_Development615 · 2023-02-15T12:06:57+00:00

"Equality" is a capitalist buzzword for being interchangeable cogs in the machine.

Organic humans don't have equality, they have give and take.

When you date a woman and she wants you to check out the noise downstairs, the feminist playbook goes out the window and she reverts to organic gender roles.

Hell even hardcore "professional" feminists don't have a problem with that.

According to them, men have responsibilities toward women, and women have no responsibilites toward men, service flows one-way to women's benefit to enable "equity."

But organically that's not how it works.

Organically, men have certain jobs and women have certain jobs, and they are both answerable to each other.

On a tribal level, drafting women into war makes no sense, not only are you wasting military resources, but when their lives are lost your tribe will lose its reproductive capacity.

With modern technology that's changing, nowadays you press a button and someone dies 600 miles away, women can do "video game war" just as well as men, but we're still operating on intertia from an earlier time when war sometimes meant charging with bayonets, or carrying your wounded buddy out of the combat zone.

For the most part you still need men to make war.

If you fill up all the "supply officer" positions with women, then guess who's on the front line? It's still gonna be men on the front line waiting for the bayonet charge.

And that's assuming that war stays modern and first-world style.

As far as "Society owning people" that's also pretty organic and kind of what any society does, if you get hit by a car, you assume that an ambulance is going to scrape you off the sidewalk, and you assume that the taxman collects the taxes to make that happen.

When you're elderly, you "assume" that society is going to try to take care of you, that they'll send a nurse around and meals-on-wheels.

For that to happen everyone has to "pay in" to the system, and for the longest time that included the draft.

Nowadays we have retarded politicians and retarded foreign policy that makes all kind of unnecessary wars, which Vietnam was the Mack Daddy example of an unnecessary war, but I can name others like the gulf war, and the war on terror.

The US hasn't had a "necessary" war in hundreds of years, and by "necessary" I mean that our country is actually invaded or under threat.

TBH, I actually wouldn't have a problem getting drafted if the US was invaded, that's like if your house gets broken into, of course you're gonna grab a bat and see who it is. Or aliens from outer space, fine I'm with you on that.

But don't start bombing other countries and expect me to go along with it, I don't care about Saddam or Moamar Gadaffi, I care about OUR borders, OUR people.

The rest of it you handle with sanctions and thru the UN. Don't like China? Then don't trade with them. Put a tariff on their goods.

That's how you encourage compliance and foreign policy.

ReniaTycoon · 2023-02-15T02:39:09+00:00

Try to become a loner or just forget about dating women and surround yourself with close male buddies. Really the risks of getting with a modern woman(especially a feminist) is just too great and you can end up getting fucked over for sure. Now I'm not a Christian though I used to be for 5 years... a true Bible reading Bible studying Biblical woman would be loyal(as it's a sin not to be) and she would not be a feminist. According to the Bible a woman is supposed to submit to her husband but he is supposed to provide for her and be willing to die for her.

DissoluteMasochist · 2023-02-15T04:54:18+00:00

You haven’t actually mentioned what any of these double standards or issues are. How can it be addressed and spoken about in a healthy manner if the woman/women are oblivious to anything being wrong? Oftentimes, people are not aware of things, despite you thinking they are intelligent enough to see the signs. Having said that, would you be willing to clarify by giving examples? Awareness is important and it’s a bit unfair to shame anyone if you’re not bringing awareness to the situation.

RaydenAdro · 2023-02-15T05:37:04+00:00

Sounds like your an asshole to women because you think they will be an asshole to you?

DivideDangerous6713 · 2023-02-15T06:59:24+00:00

Examples of the misandrist behaviour these women have shown you? The “blind hatred” they have exhibited?

ShandyFatGirl · 2023-02-15T21:21:51+00:00

What did they say? Like, this might help you cause girls feel like this a lot as well when online dating, because a lot of guys online also seem to post a delivery list and not a dating profile and seem to think they are the ultimate price you have to get somehow.

It does also feel like a lot of men get mad just for asking for normal human decency, so would you mind telling us?

Title	So discouraged
Author	vinnysaintpierre
Upvotes	185
Comments	112
Date	February 14, 2023 8:31 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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