As far as I understand it this subreddit is for the betterment of the lives of men around the world, fighting with people from other subs doesnt persuade them to our point of view and it makes us look bad, a comment left on a popular post here that said something along the lines of " the world was built by men, we just allow women to live in it", this comment makes us look like women bashing incels and personally i think this type of thinking doesn't belong in the men's right movement, as I said earlier, this place isn't a place for hate or bringing others down, it's for raising men up and offering help with issues. I have tried defending this sub over and over and when people attack others even if people come to our sub to be trolls it makes us all look bad, this sub always says we want to step away from the stigma that we are terrible people and incels, then we should treat others with the respect and courtesy that we want to be treated with. Resorting to childish insults and attacks isn't going to get us anywhere, I know this post is going to get downvoted but if something doesn't change here then we won't get anywhere with anybody and our voice won't be heard