What issues should men's rights groups focus on?

Reddit1984Censorship · 2022-12-23T12:13:11+00:00

I think it all boils down to an empathy gap, male disposaiblity, ''women and children first''.
My focus personally would be in increasing empathy towards men in a fundamental sense and in a relative sense compered with women.
We need to instantiate to society that male suffering is not valued enough, and is valued less compared to female suffering.
I think thhts the seed from wich all men issues branch from.

Standard-Broccoli107 · 2022-12-23T13:28:14+00:00

Education. Education is key to quality of life. Our education system is set up in a way that doesnt suit men, run by women that have less sympathy for men and with very subjective grading. We need a better system that allows men to flourish more from early years.

ggleblanc2 · 2022-12-23T11:59:13+00:00

Men's rights groups will focus on the issues important to them. Some groups prefer to educate, while others prefer to litigate.

I think men in general should focus on self-improvement. Be the best version of yourself that you can be, and society can fend for itself.

Edited to add: Self-improvement takes care of point 1.

Point 2: Don't go to dangerous places and engage in dangerous activities. Always stay with a group. Stay indoors after dark.

Points 3 & 4: 50/50 custody with no alimony or indirect child support Each parent supports their children directly.

equalRights111 · 2022-12-23T12:50:38+00:00

What really needs to be done, is to achieve a movement/organisation that is internationally recognised, supported, and funded. Just like feminism. Only then can we achieve true support for male rights. This will be very hard to do, however.

NJ_Mets_Fan · 2022-12-23T15:25:21+00:00

Including right to choose (to legally be the father or not)

genital mutilation with infant circumcision

pearl_harbour1941 · 2022-12-23T12:34:11+00:00

I guess there is an order of things.

reduce death
reduce debilitating injury
increase life quality
extend life

I write them in that order, but I was torn about 3 and 4. They could easily be the opposite way round. I wrote them that way because it didn't seem logical to extend life if it is miserable. Would you prefer a long and miserable life, or a short and better life? That was my reasoning.

Back in 2019 I wrote a thought experiment regarding divorce and alimony - I prefaced it with the understanding that in times gone by it was more difficult for a woman to support herself in society after divorce, hence why she was entitled to *some* of her former husband's earnings. It was the honorable thing for him to do, but there was an equally honorable code of conduct for her - not to denigrate, not to refuse contact, etc. etc.

The thought experiment was this: the person that has the kids pays the other parent.

I wondered how many women would engage in such treacherous behaviour towards their former husbands if they knew that they would gain the kids but lose his money? Tough choice for a woman, right there. Most of the men I knew would have given it a go.

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-12-23T13:08:37+00:00

Interesting question and your focus points are all worthwhile.

I'd personally add education at the top of the priority list since it is fundamental to so many other outcomes.

Jayrikudo · 2022-12-23T14:03:16+00:00

Lack of unity. We already have everything aimed at us (racism, classism, sexism, politics, misandry, feminism) to bring men against each other. That’s the game they’re playing to make their jobs less harder, to get rid of us so what do they do ? They set up systems to turn us against and destroy each other. Only few will wake up and realize what’s tearing not just men but the whole world apart.

I would also argue that mental health for men is definitely something that’s always ignored. You have a higher chance of finding water in a desert than men’s mental health issues being brought up. Men experience way worse symptoms. Look at the statistics for drug abuse and homelessness, I guarantee that’s a field occupied by men. But who cares. Society will look at these guys as f*ck ups yet who knows what happened in their lives. I really learned to judge people less the more I start to empathize with them. No one is born a good or bad person, no one is all good or all bad. We’re human beings.

Violence. I don’t think I really need to say more about this, since I feel like this topic was already covered enough and it’s a pretty obvious point. Men need to work together, not constantly against each other. The world once worked together to help stop Hitler from taking over the world. God forbid something like that happens again.

I would also strongly argue that a lot of young boys lack role models. They’ll trust what some phony wanna be gangster celebrity rapper with chains cars women and money on how to live their life as a man. This causes all sorts of delusions and misguidance for young men. They need father figures. Mentors. Coaches. Why I strongly urge young boys to pick up a hobby or learn new skills. I don’t care if it’s learning to build a camp fire or learn CPR… it may seem small to them but it’ll be a huge asset in their lives and will help them do something rather than scroll through girls Instagram pages all day, wondering why they don’t text back. We need to be there for the youth to not make the same mistakes we made. Sports, entertainment, business, technology, can always give guys a strong sense of unity and companionship, and can teach many valuable life lessons.

crippledhermit · 2022-12-24T10:19:05+00:00

Excellent post and I would prefer to see more of this commentary in the future.

Personally, let's shout out the ways we're discriminated against in every single facet we have. Social media, Vimeo, YT, etc.

Gulbahar-00 · 2022-12-24T17:24:25+00:00

Labor rights. Most occupational deaths are men and they usually work in mines, dangerous factories etc

odysseytree · 2022-12-23T14:01:25+00:00

False accusations. Men and women use different method for torture. Men mostly resort to physical fight and women resort to false accusations. We have laws against physical violence but no law against social violence.

iainmf · 2022-12-24T06:50:34+00:00

Formal recognition of men as having human rights as men and explicit protections of men's human rights in law and policy.

Syndocloud · 2022-12-24T09:13:26+00:00

The concept of male oppression

If we can

Give visibility to issues that would be given feminist international attention. That effect men

Re frame the advancement of human rights as really the advancement of men's rights

Most people will already be bought into every issue even hypothetically effecting men.

However there is an othordoxy that has been opposed to this for 50+ years so it's easier said than done but who knows what the future has in store

Amazing-Bit6140 · 2022-12-23T14:16:03+00:00

Any issue mra’s choose to tackle will be attacked, dismissed, and money starved by feminists.

Tackling the sexist kkk that puts a stop to all our work and is responsible for all of these issues getting worse should be our first priority.

It’s a nice thought to think we can focus on things like male genital mutilation or suicide and help men, but you’d first have to ignore all the feminists and feminist organizations that work to ensure any effort in this area is deprived of money, attention, and all other resource that may lead to its success.

We can’t have progress with the misandrist organizations that currently exist remaining in place.

OppositeBeautiful601 · 2022-12-23T16:08:47+00:00

Man and death - Better workplace safety regulations. More support for men in crisis: homeless shelters, domestic abuse shelters...etc. Divorce fairness may help reduce suicides. More equal government funding for men's health (like breast cancer vs prostate cancer)

Men are more likely to commit serious violent offenses - This could be mitigated by having more support for men in crisis. How many times to men resort to violent crime because they are just flat out of options?

Divorce 1 - Joint custody should be the default at the federal level, unless

The couple both want to choose a custodial parent

OR

Strong evidence that one parent is not fit for custody

Divorce 2 - Alimony should only be short term (like 6 months), in order for one spouse to find employment if unemployed. There should never, never, never be permanent alimony. That is just legalized theft, plain and simple. If one spouse has a higher income, the other spouse isn't entitled it to just to maintain the same living standard. You want a divorce? Then that income leaves with your partner, period.

Accomplished_Pipe877 · 2022-12-23T15:42:37+00:00

Marriage and Divorce laws and treatment of Men and boys in education. Those are the most legitimate issues of men's rights because they both involve treatment under the eyes of the law. EDIT: Saw another comment that brought up parental rights, also valid but I forgot initially. Would lump it in here.

I might also add the discrepancy in sentencing between men and women for the same crimes. Although sentencing laws take certain things into consideration that account for some of these discrepancies (prior offences, 'time served' before verdict, community service, etc.)

I may even consider adding equalizing the draft. Make women register or remove the draft entirely. Either way would make things equal. Neither are likely outcomes but there's a real argument to be made for it.

Other than that we have many important sociocultural issues to deal with but most of them don't constitute legal rights.

bmania77 · 2022-12-23T23:06:45+00:00

Yes, Divorce, and measuring the money flow from men to woman (for whatever reason) which academia and media leave uninvrstigated. These are the biggest threats to me in my stage of life.

Health, female focused health spending is a threat to men as they get older. I read here, i read the gap between womans lifespan and mens has increased by two years since 1900.

Misandrist: Education and Psychartry, are probably the biggest threats to boys and younger men.With there grades failing behind due to female teacher biases and female based teaching methods, and all boys and young men problems going unfixed, till extreme outcomes.

Just spreading the word that in the current west it is men that are discriminated against not woman, and organising.

k_stormm · 2022-12-23T13:32:27+00:00

Men don’t actually commit suicide more, the ratio is equal, men are just more effective. The men being victims of violent offences, those offences are by men so maybe deal with them men. And all the men complaint about not getting custody most likely didn’t even apply, statistically if the dad was to apply, over half the time they get custody, most men just to even bother and then complain later.

g1455ofwater · 2022-12-23T22:07:24+00:00

Men's input on things like schooling and health services so we can have tailored care and or instruction for men. Some men like the traditional stereotypical and some don't and they should all be welcomed to live how they want to live(within reason). This is opposed to what we have now where men can sometimes be told how they should be and when men try to give input they are ignored.

OrionBartholomew · 2022-12-28T12:18:16+00:00

The Male Only Draft, which is the brutal human sacrifice of men on behalf of women and their powerful state male husbandry. The Male Only Draft must be abolished.

Alarming_Draw · 2022-12-23T19:53:34+00:00

I think focussing on changing the law so what counts as a woman raping a man is fairer-

Why this? Because changing this means statistics would change OVERNIGHT, and feminists could no longer claim victim status.

It would CRASH the feminist momentum.

vanduychr · 2022-12-24T06:42:25+00:00

Double standards misinformation. I know it coveres basically every topic but if we can change those then theres nothing else wrong with the system

Bucephalus-ii · 2022-12-31T04:34:27+00:00

I’d just like a single modern feminist to voice their appreciation for the vast and numberless dead young men who lie in unmarked mass graves along the borders of every nation that has ever existed so that their mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters could be safe.

I’d also love to hear a single word of thanks for the men who maintain the myriad industries that props up every single aspect of the modern woman’s pampered life.

A little perspective would be great

Title	What issues should men's rights groups focus on?
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Date	December 23, 2022 11:51 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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