why nobody proposes gender quotas for physically heavy work?

reg8392748 · 2014-09-24T18:37:29+00:00

More female coal miners!. Everyone wants the good job. Most women would never ever want to do many of the hard labor dirty disgusting jobs men do. They can't be forced to do those jobs. They all say they want to be the CEO and whine that there are few white female CEOs.

imbecile · 2014-09-24T22:06:11+00:00

I once had a discussion with a woman about women quotas for parliament.

I asked her what other special interest groups she would want to give guaranteed election results. When she was confused by this I explained that other interest groups like old nobility and Catholics and Muslims should also get guaranteed seats.

That was of course an outrage, and when I spelled it out for her that when you start guaranteeing election results to special interest groups you destroy and shit on democracy.

To which she actually replied that women are no special interest group, "they are just there in the population".

Well, if women are no special interest group it doesn't matter whether they are in parliament or not, right? Because they have no interests that need to be specially represented.

That's when she walked away.

DavidByron2 · 2014-09-24T18:43:15+00:00

Silly rabbit, quotas are only for benefiting women over men.

Otherwise I think we'd have a death quota, a prison quota and a homelessness quota first, followed maybe by a stay-at-home-parent quota, a custody of the kids quota and you-pay-for-the-date quota.

SporkTornado · 2014-09-24T22:51:38+00:00

I propose a policy to get more women into the sewage waste management industry. Right now new York city is 51% female, but only 00.1% of new York sewage waste workers are female. This speaks to a long trend of women and girls being discriminated against by the sewage industry. Do people really believe that woman are not good enough to shovel shit. Do these mysoginists believe women are not good enough to work in a cramped tunnel filled with human waste and various toxic gasses. I believe that woman are good enough to shovel shit with the men. I believe we should have sewage waste treatment workers go to schools and give lectures to young women on the merits of sewer work. Maybe even give out women's only scholarships to young women who take an interest in sewage work. Stop the sexism! Women are good enough to shovel shit!

Mikeavelli · 2014-09-25T02:51:17+00:00

they did actually. There was a big stink back in the 90s about hiring standards for firefighters. Everyone learned that it was actually a pretty bad idea when fire department started having to hire women who could not physically do the job they were hired for. since then, the crusade has quietly fallen apart.

FARTBOX_DESTROYER · 2014-09-24T20:18:40+00:00

There should be physical tests that anyone should have to pass for a physically demanding job.

rbrockway · 2014-09-25T02:58:15+00:00

I'm glad you made this point about the historical involvement of women in physical labour. The idea that women were forced to stay at home historically is nonsense.

Until recently women worked alongside men and children doing whatever work was needed.

I believe this reluctancy to include women in heavy works comes from a more or less unconscious belief that women's life is more valuable than ours because they are child bearers and they shouldn't waste themselves doing too much physical or hazardous work.

Historically the women of a society were protected to guarantee survival of that society since the size of the next generation is constrained by the number of women able to give birth. With a population of 7.2 billion we no longer need to tolerate male disposability.

RaxL · 2014-09-25T03:50:08+00:00

Hey dude, shut the Hell up. The last thing we need are a bunch of no-working, entitled women coming onto the job site.

The few women I've worked with have been great. But 3 women out of 100 dudes is far preferable to having 3 women out of 50 dudes and 50 useless cunts.

lordslag · 2014-09-25T04:08:02+00:00

Because giving women high paying, high powered, cushy jobs at the socio-economic right of the bell curve is just giving women their rightful places alongside men...but...making women carry their own weight in cleaning half the sewers, extracting and refining half the resources, performing half the manufacturing, constructing half the buildings, laying half the infrastructure and hauling half the fucking trash is misogyny, SHITLORD! /s

2014-09-25T05:08:59+00:00

Because its much easier to claim equal pay for equivalent work than pull 12 hour shifts in a coal mine.

Yodude1 · 2014-09-24T22:04:03+00:00

it's even evolution that has allowed men to do most of the physical work. We were evolved to have more testosterone than women to help us do the heavy lifting. Women were made to do more precise work. Such as sowing and picking fruits. hence their laser precision and keen eyesight.

What feminists are demanding now is like asking a honey comb to become sour. Or a lemon to taste sweet.

poloppoyop · 2014-09-25T15:39:57+00:00

You know, if there's one kind of work which would gain from having more women that is physical jobs. Why? Because it would motivate people to work on those helping machinery instead of playing it like it is macho to fuck up your back before you're 30.

Powered exo-skeletons? Almost only available to japanese nurses. Put those women on roofs and doing masonry and you'll have those exoskeletons available in one or two decades.

MRSPArchiver · 2014-09-24T18:31:51+00:00

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2014-09-24T20:28:08+00:00

I tried presenting this ppl looked at me like I was crazy. At the risk of sounding like a feminist, I consider it indoktrination. Most people have been told their entire school years that women have been oppressed since the dawn of time. This never really made sense to me but I assume it did for most other ppl.

xNOM · 2014-09-24T23:03:16+00:00

Good post. Manual work is "below" most women today.

Lrellok · 2014-09-25T02:29:07+00:00

because physically demanding work is traditionally productive work. Stop thinking of feminism as a movement for equality in any normative sence. Begin thinking of feminism as a movement of upperclass women demanding that they get to exploit workers just like upperclass men do. In this context, they would not want to join the people being exploited IE productive (physically demanding) workers.

2014-09-25T03:38:46+00:00

You're mistaken. The trades are full of woman. My uncle was complaining just the other day that the 30% woman on his job site don't have to do near what the men have to do. He says he has to slug dozens of bags of cement all day and the woman simply don't have to. He says he's all for equality, but it isn't fair that he has to do his share AND pick up the slack. This is on the construction of a gravity based oil platform in Canada. They are extremely well paid.

And while i'm on the topic, for all the 150lb guys like myself who are work with my uncle; guess what? They can't just NOT do the same job as everyone else, can they? Nope.

Gawrsh · 2014-09-25T03:59:41+00:00

Of course women can do physically demanding jobs.

With a population of 7.2 billion we no longer need to have such focus on the survival of women over men.

As long as women don't feel like doing those jobs, there's literally no way you'll get them doing much of that.

The funny thing is that since women are doing non-physical jobs, and men do more physical jobs on average, men will (and already are) get shunted into physical jobs (in a discriminatory way) because there's only so many non-physical ones.

People will simply not care and give the "a job's a job." response before ignoring it altogether.

avantvernacular · 2014-09-25T20:26:04+00:00

Because those jobs are dangerous and not well paid.

Seemingly, this deems it accept to leave them for men.

Title	why nobody proposes gender quotas for physically heavy work?
Author	ifelsedowhile
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Date	September 24, 2014 6:31 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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