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September 11, 2022

I don't think the problem is really that women only want to fuck "chad" if that was the case then dating would be a lot fairer than it actually, sure if we define "chad" strictly as a man who "has sex with lots of women" that makes sense. But I know plenty of real-life chads who are unsuccessful with women, and fat ugly losers who are. Because those fat ugly losers are smooth as hell, and subtly remind women of their distant and emotionally neglectful father. So while it is true that a minority of men get the majority of casual sex, they are not all chad, they are just guys who know how to move on women who have daddy issues, emotional problems, and are addicted to the constant chaos of a toxic relationship.

Those are the guys having sex with lots of women, they may not be particularly attractive or handsome or even fit, but they have confidence, charisma, and know how to emotionally play with women who are desperate for any sense of male validation, this is not CHAD, this is Larry, he is the one who is behind AF/BB because CHAD is in the gym, CHAD is on his grind, CHAD is the one counting his macros. CHAD is the man pursuing education. Chad is the one stacking his money. Chad is the one working on his goals. CHAD is the one searching for real emotional love beyond empty meaningless sex. CHAD is your ideal, not the enemy. Larry on the other hand...


if women only wanted handsome GigaChad, that would at least make sense, but that's not how it actually pans out. while it is true that women have casual sex with a minority of men, it's not because those men are genetically superior to the plebs around them, it's because those men know how to play mind games with women, especially women with daddy issues. They know how to be toxic. rather than being an "alpha male" these guys are just really good at manipulating. These are the minority of men who get most of the casual sex, not the chads not the alphas but the guys who represent a woman's emotionally distant father, and can push-pull, to get her addicted to his toxicity. so men who are more handsome, more intelligent, and more athletic, lose out on the casual sex game because they are not toxic enough.

on the other hand, once these women have finished being run through by larry, once they are older and flabby, they go to the CHAD, with a nice job, who are physically fit, etc, and they expect chad to fall for them and provide for them and raise Larry's children. They are so entitled that they think that after they have been run through by a million drunk guys in the back of a Denny's. that CHAD is going to drop everything to provide for them when chad refuses they go to Billy Beta and he actually does provide for her because he has no self-respect. however they still feel entitled to chad, and miss being young when they could fuck larry in the back of the trunk

(someone with the physical appearance of CHAD, who learns toxic game, to sleep with lots of women becomes THAD, a mixture of larry and chad)


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Author gastongang
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Date September 11, 2022 10:14 PM UTC (6 months ago)
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[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 14 points15 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

The problem is men who give women no incentive to improve themselves because they'll give them all the attention and resources they want as long as they have a pussy. It doesn't matter if she's a bad person, has nothing interesting to say, etc.

Even an average women who posts thot pics on instagram are like a salmon covered in honey to the swarms of desperate men out there.

[–]pop442No Pill 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just like I said in another thread, modern women want men to be Russell Wilson and Future at the same time.

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Essentially. Polarization is attractive.

Thankfully, people are contradicting by nature. You just have to not suppress or hide it.

[–]KombuchaEnema 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I see you posting hard truths today and I appreciate it.

I wish men understood this. The more attention you give to women, the more you devalue your attention.

Men should understand this logic since they apply it to sex with women. “The more men she has sex with, the more she devalues sex.”

Okay, so if you’re a man and I know any woman can approach you and sit in your lap and get your attention…why should I compete for your attention? It’s too easy. All any woman has to do is post a thirst trap or sit in your lap and you’re butter in her hands.

But if I see a man at the club rejecting women left and right…well, there’s a man whose attention is valuable. He won’t give his time to just any woman. Now I’m curious about him. What type of woman does he want? What’s he looking for?

Go to any MGTOW forum. Those men give up on women…suddenly, women are all over them. How’d that happen?

I genuinely - genuinely - wish men knew their own self-worth. This is a self-feeding problem.

Men give women easy attention. Women eat it up and raise their standards. Men fail to meet the newly-raised standards and now feel like they can’t have standards of their own.

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They've been sold a lie that women enjoy when men shower them with love and attention, they do but only when there's a context to it. The girl has to feel deserving of it. The guy has to prove their attention is valuable and worth competing for, as you said.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I went to a majority women college and saw this played out irl. Every man, even below average dudes had options because there was so little male attention for the girls. After I graduated I was shocked at how much male attention I got in the real world.

It's the psychological thing of, if he's not paying attention to me, does that mean he has someone better? Does that mean other women are also into him? It makes our brain think that person must be a catch if he doesn't need/want us. This goes both ways.

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your 2nd paragraph is succinctly put. And once that guy starts pursuing you it feels amazing because it gives you reassurance that you must also be attractive, so he's already established himself as someone who's a catch and makes you feel good. I think many women try to deny stuff like this factors into attraction because unfortunately if they don't, many men will run with it and start playing these silly mind games of "when and when not to pay attention to her".

The big thing is being able to do this stuff without lying and remaining authentic.

[–]melody_of_Islamic Women Were Right About PPD 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love everything about this comment

[–]pronouns-king-lord 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link


I went out last weekend to meet up with my friend and he brought a female i never meet before. She was ordering rounds all night and disappeared when the bar was closing and the tab was due. Him and me ended up splitting the bill. I called him the next day and told him to never see that girl again, his responds was "But i wanna get laid first". So many men are willing to give up self respect for pussy.

He also told me she called him to apologize about that night saying she was really drunk. I told him "i don't give a shit about a verbal apologize, send me the money she owes me".

[–]localmicrodosechamp 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

women are told they have to improve themselves from birth. You ever read any women's magazine?

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I haven't, but I'd be interested to hear another perspective. Elaborate?

[–]localmicrodosechamp 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

women have lower self-esteem than men in the west (you can google it, its widely acknowledged).

we are socialized to always be improving ourselves, thats why women's magazines are more popular than men's magazines. that's why women are the majority of book readers and why the self-help genre/industry is so big. Most customers are female (again, you can google it but its not close or controversial to say this).

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the insight. I don't think that contradicts or disagrees with what I've said though? I don't deny that women are pressured by society to improve themselves, I think social media has made that evident as well. I said that (in the context of dating) men give women little incentive to be or do anything other than "look good". Many, many men would see a girl with no personality, character, or depth, yet would still jump at the opportunity of a relationship if she was hot.

[–]prizefighterstudent 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

salmon covered in honey

I respect the subtle Patrice O'Neal reference. RIP.

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol i knew i got it from somewhere but couldnt remember who. Of course it was from the GOAT

[–]festival-papiPrince in Purple [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck, now you're the person I'm gonna simp for here. Don't let me down lol.

[–]prizefighterstudent 6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

You think PUA's get more action than a Chad? This post is delusional.

Show me an average / ugly dude who can con his way into attractive women's pants consistently and I'll eat my hat.

[–]Noble_trader 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There was that homeless Joe guy that would pull girls just so he’d have a bed to sleep in every night…granted he is naturally decent looking and kept himself groomed while being homeless

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 3 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I dated one. He was average as fuck, chubby with a big nose his personality was amazing, anytime we went out he was the life of the party, he just exuded confidence, hilarious and knowledgeable but not in a condescending way, I was smitten, but he didn’t want to settle down, so I had to walk away.

These dudes exist, what can I say 🤷🏾‍♀️

And before you even ask, I made more money than him.

[–]prizefighterstudent 4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about an atypical dude who got with a decent chick once or twice -- I'm referring to this fantasy of a sociopathic, womanizing normie that OP is mentioning who gets with hot girls consistently.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

He was oddly open about the ease he had in dating, I wasn’t sure why, looking back maybe it was manipulation, but it was so subtle it just came off as regular conversation.

I can’t imagine he would choose to remain single if he actually struggled. Again he wouldn’t commit to me not the other way around. I have no bad feelings about it, I just don’t have casual sex so removing commitment wasn’t something I was willing to do, he was ok with losing access to me since he didn’t want to commit. And yea this was an average guy with an average income and an average penis size.

[–]gastongangMisogyny Pilled[S] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

doesn't this sort of disprove the looks are everything thing you were talking about in an earlier comment

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You were doing good till you showed your hand with the revenge fantasy at the end. I’m actually disappointed because I thought it was an original argument.

[–]Electronic_Leave_477 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feel the same way. Disappointed 😞

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What in the three bud light pitchers worth of watching normal dudes get tail at the sports bar, HELL! is this drunken mess of a post?!

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah except studies show that physical attraction is the main barrier of entry to casual sex cuts against the Larry theory.

[–]MUNZATHEGOD 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve come to the conclusion that no one in this group has even had sex.

[–]October-Farzinga 3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Chad is a meme, Chad is a concept.

Chad is the best in the pond, in a pond that changes all the time in size and scope.

There's nothing wrong with women chasing Chad, the problem is women lie about chasing Chad.

Women lie about almost everything. Compare two Chads memes, you think they want the hard working one or the rich one? Because women will lie and claim they don't care about money, and all the women here claim they married the fattest, ugliest, poorest, stupidest, laziest, grossest men in the world, and they pay for everything, but in reality, they lie.

Chad may not have a six-pack abs, and multiple millions, but that's still the preference.

Women simply cannot stop pretending they don't want attractive Chad. It's just more virtue signaling garbage alone with all the other lies because they simply have a triple boosted vaccines to the truth.

And the blue pill men lie about how awesome their personalities are because they can charm Becky the fat single mom who only cares about money. Congrats. I too, and ugly man, can get with Becky the single mom. And my personality is as attractive as my looks.

Women mostly care about toxicity, misogyny, money, "bad things", etc. with non-Chad. When Chad is present, and this has been proven repeatedly, all women's made up standards, which are just rejection slips for non-Chads, disappear. Chad can be a child molestor or nazi and that doesn't allow them down. Politics? Who cares when Chad enters the room. I've personally known women who have dated men on sexual predator lists, and it hasn't slowed their "Chad" down.

Suddenly Chad doesn't have to make $5 million a year. Non-Chad does, and non-Chad needs to shower 5 times a day, but Chad is cool with once a year whether he needs it or not.

To each their own, but just stop the lies. It's as stupid as if men were to say they didn't care about sex with women. It would be highly suspect unless he was gay or Ace, but women cannot seem to even have that level of honesty. And blue pilled men lie just to lie as well. Because they cannot handle reality and must virtue signal so Becky won't go with the next low watt bulb.

Chad isn't Larry. Women wouldn't care if Chad is Larry, as long as Chad is Chad in the DNA, which they deny until death.

Reality doesn't matter to the Chad lovers. AF BB is Chad isn't all day in the gym and not getting laid, Chad is getting laid all the time. And without paying the BB ticket price for non-Chad. That's a Larry problem.

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing you said has "been proven."

Chadfishing experiments are cherry picked interactions on dating apps.


If you've been in the position of having a lot of matches (I have) you'd know that the vast majority of the raunchy DMs go nowhere.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Are you sure women are lying?

I get attacked constantly for being honest.

I don’t want to fuck an ugly man.

There. I can say more, it’s not nice, it’s often very cruel and hurtful but it’ll be true. You want to see it written out just give me the ok I will lay it all out, are you actually ready for that?

[–]October-Farzinga 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, because all you say are lies. All about social positioning. You simply can't tell the truth.

And I don't mean you specifically, I mean the hive mind collective, who will never admit the Chad love and gold digging.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

So is that a yes in wanting me to lay all the truth out?

[–]Electronic_Leave_477 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yes tell us the truth.

[–]C4yourshelf 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey most people don't wanna fuck ugly people. But ugly is relative a 5 can't be calling a 6 ugly

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


Ugly is absolutely relative.

The poster stated he was lied to and told looks don’t matter personality does. But looks do matter, they get you in the door and your personality allows you to stay if your average of you’re above it lets you in to fuck. 😂

[–]Swapsta 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What the fuck is larry

[–]GeismosTransparent Boughattie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lost my shit laughing, you guys are hilarious

[–]chancetolive1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I see where you're going with this. I agree about the Larry caricature however I think he does equally as well as chad, possibly with different women. Larry does better in social events, Chad might do better in online dating assuming he isn't autistic and socially normal.

I also don't agree with the "the women will pay later" idea, I don't see some kind of balancing force in the universe.

Being a covert narcissist I always envied Larry types, they're usually very crafty grandiose narcissists playing 5d chess. They know the shortcuts to get what they want from people and their approval.. including women above their looks league.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

why tho? like what do larry's actually have to be jealous of? it's all instant gratification that they have to do constant work to uphold. They don't ever get to relax and enjoy their lives, they don't get love or respect, they don't like themselves.

[–]RandomRedditGuy322Half My Posts Get Removed by the Jannies Pilled 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]jcdbionicman273 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People who think in "enemies vs allies" are super cringe

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

they are just guys who know how to move on women

This is the pivotal factor; social skill. Chad, Larry, or Billy; all benefit from honing this skill.

CHAD is your ideal, not your enemy

Why fictionalise unnecessary enemies? If “Larry”’s a PUA, sleazy, or charming, he isn’t the enemy. Neither is Chad. If characterising another man as an enemy helps you, that’s okay. TRP however at it’s core, is based on empowerment.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]Electronic_Leave_477 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

How exactly does TRP empowered men?

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

By giving men choice.

[–]Electronic_Leave_477 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How does TRP give him choice. Choice in what certainly not the dating market.

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you master the core tenets of TRP; your options increase.

[–]Stunning-Potato-1984 -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is Chad in the room with you right now?

[–]RandomAttackHelpMe 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Chad thunder cock has now entered the chat.

[–]Stunning-Potato-1984 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My brother did nothing but insist he was going to name his son Chad Thundercock. It drove his wife fucking bonkers.

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[–]EasternDog4196 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Larry owes me 15 bucks, that sum bitch

[–]GeismosTransparent Boughattie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i feel like this shit hit rock bottom, fun post but larry is too nonsensical

PS: wouldnt he be called LAD?

[–]RandomAttackHelpMe 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I've known a few Larry's, as well as some Shemps, Moes, and Curlys. I kid, I kid. But I know the type you are talking about. 2 guys I've known come to mind. One was a fucked up dude, like he is legit toxic. I don't throw that word around willy nilly over something someone said that upset me, this dude is fucked up in the head for real. But yeah, he did well with chicks even though he wasn't exactly "Successful Chad".

Another dude was by all means, a fairly decent level headed guy, not exactly "super chad", not a "winner" by conventional means, but he did well. Oh he was cheating on his girl who had been like down for him for the longest time and he had had two kids with her already though.

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