Hypergamy and ”the Hood”

poppy_blu · 2019-07-28T17:29:20+00:00

If I was living in the ghetto, not only would I aggressively pursue some kind of career like nursing, accounting, engineering, or trade school, but I would exclusively date men who aren’t “local”... who aren’t living in the ghetto. Or at the minimum, are working extremely hard to GTFO.

Yeah I wonder why all those poor women never though of that while they were turning down college scholarships and marriage proposals from white prep school boys.

Blonsomio · 2019-07-28T15:23:51+00:00

Women from the ghetto date men from the ghetto, but it's usually criminals and drug dealers. Their romantic and sexual choices aren't based on the "good" behavior of those men.

neubiiAUT · 2019-07-28T15:48:12+00:00

These examples...

In regular TRP is talking about that women set high values over herself that she passes on him even though he might be a good match for her. And then when he gets more income, she comes back at him, because of his money and status.

Even with the ghetto guy, the woman doesn't know what his plans were back then, she flat out didn't give him a chance. But when he became rich and famous she comes back and tries to get him, she pursues him. That's the hypergamy. Instead of working with him towards his goals, she passes on him. Maybe she was the reason that triggered his success, songwriting, self-improvement, etc. No one knows. But he worked for it and earned it.

Most of the time, the woman doesn't move at all in her financial hierarchy, she wants an upgrade by getting/marrying a richer guy that buys her the things she wants, without putting in the work. This upgrade doesn't have to be much, a woman earning 20k a year sees a man earning 60k a year and for her it's an upgrade. That's hypergamy.

wekacuck · 2019-07-28T16:33:54+00:00

Why the 🦆 would I want anything to do with a man who is living in the ghetto???

Seems like the flip side of why someone who made it out would say they won't date in the ghetto.

I think after you make it out probably the only way you can concieve going back to date would be if you have feels for someone you knew or an existing relationship when you were in the ghetto yourself. So if you don't have that, it's why you would describe it as

“bitches didn’t like me when I was local so now I am rich and I won’t be dating them”

He's just saying

Why the 🦆 would I want anything to do with a woman who is living in the ghetto???

mydikishomofobik · 2019-07-28T16:44:44+00:00

Hypergamy in the hood often means going for the local drug dealing gangster who makes money, has nice cars/clothes, and who everyone is afraid of and/or respects (social status). If they can't get the rich drug dealer, they may just go for the local broke gangmember, because at least he's respected or feared. There aren't too many aristocratic billionaire doctors with phDs hanging out on the corner in the hood.

RedIsBestColour · 2019-07-28T17:09:20+00:00

Women want the winners. Not guys who try to win or set goals in future for winning. Women want guys who are winners already. This is hypergamy. And once a guy is a winner he can pick and choose from bunch of attractive women and settle with the most desirable to him. So that's that. Funny how OP needed so much hamstering to tell this one simple truth.

Women do not care what it takes a man to get there (where he is). What matters to her is that he's there. And then she tries to lure him into her web.

Pontifex_Lucious-II · 2019-07-28T15:48:33+00:00

You shouldn’t. Ghetto culture is a guarantee into intergenerational poverty.

Barely-moral · 2019-07-28T16:34:52+00:00

There is absolutely nothing wrong or immoral about hypergamy.

That being said. “if you didn’t want me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best” is a valid position.

Why would a man take a woman as a partner when the exact same woman rejected him in the past. That woman has already proven that she si not interested in him, she only cares about his status/bank account. If the guy wants someone that actually cares about him then she is not qualified for the position. She is out.

Sure, if a woman can date above her own SEC and get a better life because of it then she should go ahead. Everyone should look after number one.

And that also includes the guys that want a partner that cares about them and not only the status/money they bring to the table.

sadomasochrist · 2019-07-28T18:01:51+00:00

Your affluenza is showing....

DREADC0RSAIR · 2019-07-28T19:28:47+00:00

The fact that you see nothing wrong with this really speaks to how fucked up dating is at the moment. No longer is it about creating a life with someone you love but the resources you can extract from him. You'd probably have a lot more to relate with someone you grew up with, but you wouldn't know that since all you want is the money and status.

TheMarbleSlab · 2019-07-28T17:19:00+00:00

I mean... you're actively supporting viewing another human being as a meal ticket or ATM. No one wants to be an ATM.

What if this woman, who is extremely materialistic as far as partner choice, finds an even richer guy willing to date her? Or you go through some tough times and lose everything? Will she stay with you then? Of course not, because WhERe iS tHE SecuRiTY And ComFoRT foR YouR cHiLDrEn aNd FuTuRe ChILdRen In ThAt???

What if this woman knows she can divorce rape you and marry again, and get even more resources and security? She will in a heartbeat. What's she gonna do, NOT kill you for your money? WhERe iS tHE SecuRiTY And ComFoRT foR YouR cHiLDrEn aNd FuTuRe ChILdRen In ThAt???

Do you see how literally any bad behavior can be justified when you start ADMITTING that your primary interest in other human beings is exploiting their resources maximally? Why would anyone WANT to date her, where is the security and comfort for themselves of knowing they have a partner by their side that values them for something more enduring and intrinsic than money?

There is no fuckin security and comfort when the other person just straight up wants money. Because you aren't your money. Why wouldnt she divorce rape you, just cut out the middle man and take everything.. You are only the means to the end, which is the money. You don't matter. You are expendable. She's fucking your cash, not you. And what, you expect men to be ok with this and want this? Lol when there are other women around who aren't gold diggers and believe in a guy and help support him and lift him up when he's still young and hungry? Those women seem more solid and down to ride or die for a nigga. Why would a man ever choose a gold digger over an actual empathetic human being? WhERe iS tHE SecuRiTY And ComFoRT foR YouR cHiLDrEn aNd FuTuRe ChILdRen In ThAt??? The gold digger just wants what you have, there is no faith or loyalty or friendship or trust to be had there.

SparrowInAHurricane · 2019-07-28T16:35:06+00:00

I have wondered this my whole life and the only thing I can think is that people really just don't know what they don't know. Why do women stay with cruel men - because they have never had a different experience. When you grow up in extreme poverty, you don't really comprehend that it can be better until someone shows you the way or you get out. One of my friends was telling me about her new "little sister" from the Big Brother/Little Sister Program. The mother has 8 kids from 5 fathers. The kid had never been to a restaurant or movie. She has been exposed to very little in life.

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fuckdr11 · 2019-07-28T16:05:03+00:00

You’re allowed to say “fuck” on the internet.

wtffellification · 2019-07-28T18:09:54+00:00

its not immoral but probably amoral

maljo24 · 2019-07-28T18:38:28+00:00

That man is not dealing with rejection very well.

king_yamzzz · 2019-07-28T19:11:59+00:00

Well the thing is...you would be looking for an already established man mostly so you can benefit off of the work and struggle he went through BEFORE you were part of the equation. It's wrong that you want to eat with him now but were nowhere to be found when he was starving. Also it's easy come easy go so if, lord forbid, some extraneous factor makes the finances a lil shaky you are liable and likely to leave with most of the benefits you came for

Elephant_777 · 2019-07-28T21:47:30+00:00

This hits deeply. I grew up in the hood. I don't live there and now live in london earning 30k a year. Not much but my sights are on more. I have an idea that women ain't shit simply because when I was homeless, no one gave a shit. Hypergamy is the only thing that made me believe I was worth "loving". Now that I am aware of it. I believe red pill 100%.

"Shorty name. I get to that later. To me there all the same" pretty much sums how I view women.

KazROFL · 2019-07-29T00:12:59+00:00

I think you don't get the scenario. This is just a simple less dominant/more introverted guy complaining about getting passed over for literal violent criminals.

'Nerdy' or at the very least law abiding men who stay out of trouble in the hood half more difficulty getting girls than violent deadbeats.

'Hypergamy' is complicated. Lets throw that word out, and just say that young women in the hood aren't making strategic decisions about who impregnates them or who they date.

If they were then 'the hood' would disappear in a generation.

Also a lady I know is living in a trailer park with 4 kids. She married her equal. What was the benefit? A lifetime on the struggle bus? At least she loves him “at his worst”. 🙄

This would be 100x better than what currently goes on in 'the hood'.

reluctantly_red · 2019-07-28T15:48:39+00:00

Two things:

First; Why do you thing a woman from the hood can just move across town and find a nice MC/UMC guy to marry? What's she bringing to the table? For this to work she's going to have to devote a decade of her life to improving herself. She'll need to go to college and establish herself in a decent career. This is possible but most women are too lazy (not a knock on poor women as MC women aren't any better in this regard).

Second; Why wouldn't she just find an ambitious guy from her neighborhood? They could work to get out together. This may come as a surprise to some but poor neighborhoods are full of ambitious young people. The deck is stacked against them and they don't all make it out -- but many do. By the time they're 16 or 17 its become pretty clear who has a good shot at getting out. She can lock down one of these guys and have a life long partner in the truest sense.

My uncles married women from their old neighborhood (East Harlem) and it worked out fine for all involved. My mom's big brother ended up in big house in Virginia. Her little brother in an even bigger house in East Hampton. They both retired Miami Beach -- still married to their first wives from the neighborhood.

hammerhaunts · 2019-07-28T16:20:26+00:00

ride on the magic strugglebus

JosephZheng111 · 2019-07-31T08:14:04+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXY28nnxuh8

ultimate chad. Society dont want men like this because he cant be milked by the system

Red__Blue · 2019-07-31T19:29:09+00:00

"if you didn’t want me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best" Is a statement to justify shitty behavior. The platitude is dumb, but the contemptible aspect is that it is always used in such a way and has become a hallmark signifier of handwaving one's lack of a good conscience.

"bitches didn’t like me when I was local so now I am rich and I won’t be dating them" Is based on a resentment of being rejected by a particular which has left an imprint, and a desire to prove that such a judgement was not only unfair but also callous. His belief (mistaken in my opinion) is that it would convince them such mistreatment as a whole has negative enough consequences for them that they won't do it, and holds that resentment out of a feeling that this proves in the existence of justified Karma in the dating world. That pain he felt, the one he knew was unfair, well the world agreed with him and gave him a bunch of money for the purpose of rubbing it in their face. That's what he's thinking.

Hypergamy is typically a RedPill term to describe a behavior that is practically relevant in the dynamics of courting, or pickup. RedPill as far as I've seen is not qualified at, or interested in, rendering moral judgement on anything, including that. ON the contrary, Red pill chooses to adopt it in a similar idea referred to as "spinning plates" in which they now also fuck around with several people in a kind of arms race to catch up with the implicitly manipulative occurrences they find in the dating world. After swallowing the Red pill, you should be past being frustrated that a woman will try to take advantage of you or will drop you when she finds a better offer like in hypergamy. Once accepting that, you need to take on an abundance mentality to deal with this: partners which are uncommitted and willing to toss you for the next best model can't be given respect, trust, personal investment and commitment out of necessity.

A theorist could argue that say people employing hypergamy is not only evil but practically leading to the downfall of modern dating, because it ruins the trust for everyone. But Red Pillers don't really argue this, not in good red pill faith at least. They aren't really theorists or even empiricists but believe only in the value of practical experience, and usually accept that demanding any standard at all for women to uphold in the broader culture is like screaming at the ocean, and simply choose to do as the romans and fuck amorally to their own self interest. They won't bother telling you to stop mistreating "losers" out of cynicism, they just demand to not be one of them.

Edit: tl;dr

And somehow this is morally bad????

RedPill doesn't concern itself with morality, and is not the point of the term. It's used to refer to phenomena that practically comes up in discussion. At no point does it make demands of women, or bother with moral rebuke. It's a Philosphy whose ideas are entirely cynical, practical and amoral.

whichbladeN · 2019-07-28T15:48:42+00:00

How is it hypergamy if you never date the man to begin with?

Title	Hypergamy and ”the Hood”
Author	TheMarbleSlab
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Date	July 28, 2019 3:16 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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