Is Lying Ok?

_mwk · 2020-10-05T07:02:45+00:00

the equivalent of cheating is cheating, its seen as wrong in both gender by my gen. it's seen as WORSE by older gens, and the tradcons of this sub if the woman does it ???

the equivalent of lying is lying not cheating

lying is seen as wrong but everybody lies. women lie about their n, men lie about their n, women lie about their intentions, men lie about their intentions. it's all between you and yourself & how bad you feel for being wanted over a lie vs over your real you

Mimoxs · 2020-10-05T08:33:28+00:00

We're told that murder is wrong for men and women, but is it? It takes zero effort for a man to kill another man with his bare hands. But if a woman is able to do it she must be really strong.

It's not like there's an inherent morality to the act itself or anything

This is because nobody wants something everybody has had.

This is the worst of the most common arguments against women... Like there are so many scenarios where this is blatantly false

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-10-05T06:59:56+00:00

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DrBoby · 2020-10-05T07:12:24+00:00

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2020-10-05T08:28:43+00:00

Tbh if you have to lie to a guy to get with him then there is no point. Lying is never ok wether you are a man or a woman in any terms, however neither is judging someone for having a life before they met you.

The only time I ever lied about my body count was up to a couple of years after I was raped because of how young I was, and in denial that I had ever been raped.

I never said that I had sex but no-one ever lied so by default I lied, however when I got into a relationship and before I ever did anything I told them that I wasn't a virgin because I felt safe enough to tell them.

Nowadays I'm honest and I just count in my rapist as part of my body count. I'm unsure if I should as I never wanted it, but I still technically engaged in intercourse.

Also your last point is a load of crap, both are wrong.

GhostTheEternal · 2020-10-05T07:07:57+00:00

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poppy_blu · 2020-10-05T11:43:14+00:00

This is not an analogous example.

Who she slept with before has no bearing on his health. Who he is sleeping with while sleeping with her does, as he could be exposing her to diseases.

If I’m dating a guy and he says yeah, I’m not sleeping with anyone else and we get tested stop using condoms and have unprotected sex but he’s still fucking other women, he’s exposed me.

Are you saying that’s OK?

FloraIvyBloom · 2020-10-05T07:01:39+00:00

Out of curiosity why do people want to know a women's body count? I can think of only two reasons and they can both be debunked.

But if someone did want to know I think it's important to be either honest and tell or to be honest and say you don't want to say. I know this didn't answer your question it's just my take on the topic.

passepar2t · 2020-10-05T11:31:03+00:00

Why do you need it to be "okay" for you to cheat? If you want to cheat, just cheat. You don't need to justify it or ask for some external arbiter to absolve you of sin.

This isn't about fairness at all.

nemma88 · 2020-10-05T11:56:47+00:00

Rationalizing lying doesn't make it okay. We do have a concept of white lies- but none of the examples fit into that.

Willow-girl · 2020-10-05T12:17:40+00:00

Since when did two wrongs make a right?

Western-Text · 2020-10-05T13:23:31+00:00

Both cheating and lying are wrong but cheating is definitely worse because you’re not only lying , you’re also breaking one of the fundamental conditions of the relationship. That being said ,people deserve to know the real n-count as a high number is a common dealbreaker for many. Men (and women of course) who cheat are obviously not high value because people in relationships value fidelity a lot and if you can’t be faithful you lose value to those people (so much so that they wouldn’t consider dating you any longer).Women want a man who could cheat but has no desire to do so ,the same way that men want a woman who is attractive and therefore could cheat but doesn’t want to.

bionix90 · 2020-10-05T14:59:34+00:00

A high value man doesn't cheat on his woman. You want to sleep around? Go for it. Just don't lie about it.

SaBahRub · 2020-10-05T15:34:32+00:00

Lying is for your benefit, not the other person’s

So, basically you’re asking “Is selfishness ok?”

It’s usually not illegal, but don’t expect people to like, encourage or accept it

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2020-10-05T07:57:26+00:00

Direct and honest people will always win. Why? Because the right people will always say yes.

spacechicken1990 · 2020-10-05T09:50:55+00:00

A yes because being unfaithful is equivalent to lying???.

Both parties are gonna lie to some degree, everyone lies.. but not everyone cheats.

And most partners don’t ask about n count, the way you go about dating & sex is enough to tell someone’s attitude towards sex & love.

goatismycopilot · 2020-10-05T14:46:40+00:00

Men are happy with MOST WOMEN for sex not dating, LTRs, or marriage then they want the same thing.

Western-Text · 2020-10-06T05:54:18+00:00

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xXxINCELFAGGOTxXx · 2020-10-05T07:04:27+00:00

Im going to respectfully disagree with the points you have made in this post. A man with a high n count is NOT of higher value to a woman, he is of lower value. He is more likely to have STDs, has low standards and isn’t trustworthy. Only other men value promiscuity. Men want to sleep with as many women as possible, women see it as disturbing and disgusting. Marrying the best man means having a good partner for the rest of your life that loves you and is committed to you. This should be a goal for both men and women. High n count men are not going to be the best men for marriage, they will be the worst men since they do not respect women. Men want to sow their oats and then decide when they are losing their looks around 30-40 to settle down and get into a serious relationship. Most women want a man that is in his prime and don’t want to clean up the left overs.

Edit: Lol I said nothing about a man being attractive in order to have a high n count. I said they had low standards. I said women want a man in his prime, as in in their 20s, not when they are old. Assumptions show where your mind is at. Lord help you guys.

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2020-10-05T11:42:11+00:00

Ehhh morals are subjective and all, so you do you, but I like to keep my word.

taapy234 · 2020-10-05T13:03:16+00:00

Lying is okay as long as you sugarcoat it to appease the bluepill world.

For example, if you live in bible belt amongst the sea of pearl clutching cuckservatives, then its in your best interest to put a front to pretend you are all about "Christian values" or other bullshit like that. Trust me on this. The sluttiest women I know are all from the south.

Women already do it with N count like you said. They also help each other out whenever they can to propagate the bluepill lies towards men to benefit their bottom-line when it comes to dating, sex and relationships. AF/BB is one example.

Just don't be a loser and blatantly lie through your teeth like, say, Trump. If you don't have the charisma and the SMV to back you up, you will get chewed down and thrown out by your social circle.

Just use PC terms and lie mostly by omission whenever possible. This way, you can have plausible deniability. For example, this article gives you list of games that chads play to keep getting laid.

Grand_Duty · 2020-10-05T15:35:37+00:00

The highest five-year divorce rates of all are associated with marrying in the 2000s and having ten or more premarital sex partners: 33 percent. . 2000s: Results are hazard ratios indicating increased odds of divorce compared to reference category of 0 partners (total abstinence before marriage). 0: -- 1: 2.54 2: 4.05 3: 3.5 4-5: 3.18 6-9: 3.22 10+: 4.25 From https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability X <30% of marriages stable for women with 5+ non-marital sexual partners Women were defined as having a stable marriage if they were currently married and had been in that same marriage for at least five years. Women who had more non-marital sex partners were less likely to have stable marriages. Rector, R. E., Johnson, K. A., Noyes, L. R., & Martin, S. (2003). The harmful effects of early sexual activity and multiple sexual partners among women: A book of charts. Washington: The Heritage Foundation. X One twin study looking at a number of scaled sociosexual behaviors found a similar heritability for number of sexual partners in male and female twins (Bailey et al., 2000); another study showed divorce to be approximately 50% heritable among women (Jockin et al., 1996). Genetic influences on female infidelity and number of sexual partners in humans: a linkage and association study of the role of the vasopressin receptor gene (AVPR1A). Lynn F. Cherkas, Elizabeth C. Oelsner, Y. T. Mak, Anna Valdes, Tim D. Spector Twin Res. 2004 Dec; 7(6): 649–658. doi: 10.1375/1369052042663922 From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/15607016/citedby/?tool=pubmed X premarital relationships with other men are associated with a substantial increase in the likelihood of divorce. . an intimate premarital relationship with someone other than one’s marital partner may indicate increased risk to subsequent marital disruption. Multiple premarital sexual partners may indicate less commitment to the idea of a permanent relationship with one individual. Multiple sexual partners may also weaken the marital bond by heightening awareness of alternatives to one’s marital partner as sources of sexual intimacy and fulfillment. Similar to the case for premarital sex, multiple coresidential unions prior to marriage may indicate a range of personal attitudes and beliefs that might undermine the stability of unions . However, either premarital cohabitation or sex that occurs with someone other than one’s spouse is expected to be related to an increased risk of marital dissolution. These individuals are either selected on characteristics that increase the risk of divorce or their experiences with disrupted unions lead to destabilizing influences on marriage. . The effects for premarital sex in Model 2 indicate that it is only women whose first sex was with someone other than her husband who experience an increased risk of marital disruption (114%). The results in Model 3, which includes the effects of both premarital cohabitation and premarital sex (compared with women who did not cohabit before marriage and did not engage in premarital sex), show that the risk of marital dissolution is higher when the woman cohabited twice (by about 28%) and when her first sex was with someone other than her husband (by about 109%). Combining premarital cohabitation and premarital sex in the same model reduces the effect of having cohabited solely with one’s husband to nonsignificance. This pattern results because women who cohabited with their husband only are more likely than women who did not cohabit before marriage to have had first sex with someone other than their husband (73% vs. 41%; data not shown). That is, for these women, it is not the fact that they cohabited before marriage that is important for marital dissolution; it is the fact that they had at least one other sexually intimate relationship prior to marrying. . having at least one other intimate relationship prior to marriage is linked to an increased risk of divorce (from 53% to 166%). There is a substantially higher risk of marital dissolution if the woman both had sex with another man and cohabited with him (166% vs. 53%– 119% for other patterns of premarital relationships involving someone other than one’s husband, a difference that is statistically significant). That is, there is an interaction between having multiple premarital sexual partners and cohabiting multiple times. . women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship who have an elevated risk of marital disruption. This effect is strongest for women who have multiple premarital coresidental unions . women with more than one intimate relationship prior to marriage have an elevated risk of marital disruption. Teachman, J. (2003). Premarital Sex, Premarital Cohabitation, and the Risk of Subsequent Marital Dissolution among Women. Journal of Marriage and Family, 65(2), 444-455. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org/stable/3600089 From https://www.jstor.org/stable/3600089?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Western-Text · 2020-10-08T23:26:35+00:00

Naw soooon this shit is suuuuuussssssssss.

False equivalency for sure.

There are degrees of lying, and some lies are bigger then others.

It’s like saying

“Yeah my buddy borrowed my car and lied about giving it back with a full tank of gas”

Vs

“Yeah my buddy borrowed my car, total’d it, and lied to me about what happened, and I had to find out from the police.”

There is a scale.

KirthWGersen · 2020-10-05T09:52:35+00:00

People lie about things all time to achieve their desired ends.

If a woman thinks you will disapprove of her n-count, she will probably lie about it.

If a man thinks a woman he wants to continue a relationship with will disapprove of the fact he is sleeping with other women, he will probably lie about it.

These could even be considered white lies: told to save another person from pain (even though the future consequences could be worse).

My personal code is to avoid lying. But not for moral or ethical reasons. Simply because it makes my life easier and more peaceful to live. I still do it sometimes though.

Lying is not immoral in my view. It is an amoral strategy with many upsides and downsides.

When I catch someone lying to me, I tend to feel pity rather than anger. I expect people to lie because it is part of the human condition.

Title	Is Lying Ok?
Author	Western-Text
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Date	October 5, 2020 6:52 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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