Is there still a difference between BP and RP anymore?

rayyaal · 2016-10-12T16:00:00+00:00

I think it all boils down to methodology.

Blue pillers who are successful with women are generally repulsed by the dogma on TRP that AWALT and whatnot. They have a problem with the way we present the ideas.

Blue pillers who aren't successful with women generally either turn to TRP/PUA/MGTOW sooner or later, or embrace their feminized mindset and continue into inceldom/watching anime and posting internet memes.

In a BP mind, all the shit that guys learn over on TRP should be 'obvious' and 'come naturally'. We should all stop being 'spergs' and learn to read 'body language'. Literally a load of shit to make people feel bad about their shortcomings. It even criticizes the movement because wanting to change and become more attractive is "inauthentic" and "manipulative" - and EVEN WITH ALL OF THIS, the guys who aren't trying to become attractive and are trying to approach women are labeled creeps.

There's literally a shaming term for every kind of man in every position (in terms of inter-sexual dynamics/the dating market) except for the stud: who both men and women love. The thing is people believe the stud is born that way, and didn't have to work for his charisma, class, charm, skills, or relationships.

In an RP mind, all the 'be nice' shit that guys have internalized over the years was maliciously and intentionally fed to men in order to make them more subservient and less aggressive/masculine. That's why lots of the dogma is so aggressive and there is no consensus on a 'morality' in an RP sense. The results of being so blunt, straightforward, and unapologetic is more men are snapped back into a state of action and are given another chance at succeeding in the mating market. If it wasn't so intentional, harsh, and generalized, it wouldn't be able to snap men out of their conditioned behaviors.

End of the day, bros wanna get laid and will do what they can to get pussy; it just seems extreme to those who didn't have to try so hard to get it.

sen--sen · 2016-10-12T15:42:25+00:00

Most BP on here seem to accept common RP ideas

your first sentence holds the answer to the question in the subject... sort of. believing that looks are important, that there's more to being attractive than being nice, there are some physical/biological differences between men and women, etc. (the actual ideas in question, not what you quoted) are not RP-exclusive ideas, and never have been.

How do the BPers on here distinguish themselves. Where do you still disagree with RPers?

women are all bloodthirsty, stupid-but-cunning teenagers marrying men just to get that sweet sweet cash (among other things). TRP and RPers hold a lot of crazy nonsense ideas about women and relationships. for something more specific, though:

Furthermore, there is always going to be some natural tension or incompatibility (to varying degrees) between men and women, given our differences, so this presents an even greater challenge when it comes to truly knowing another person.

i don't believe there's always a weird power play or tension going on between men and women that causes problems between them. it's not present in my marriage, or my friendships with men. it seems like something created by the person saying it exists, and/or their choice in partner rather than some 'natural truth'. i don't agree that relationships have to involve a power dynamic, and it's pretty bizarre if (general) you do.

LewisCross · 2016-10-12T17:00:48+00:00

The Blue PIllers (at least those who post here and also some at r/thebluepill) say the difference is the "misogyny" and "sexism" at r/theredpill and in the manosphere. Granted, the talk even in the larger manosphere has become more militant and strident, and focused on feminism's injustices and that pretty much everything's a shit deal for men.

But I don't buy the complaints about "misogyny" or "sexism".

BP says that looks matter, but that sexual relationships are really an infinitely complex cocktail of circumstance, emotion, "chemistry", biology and other factors that cannot be understood. Therefore, a man should tailor his approach individually to each individual woman, and if he does this enough times, he'll eventually find one he "clicks" with.

RP says it's really not all that hard, and that sexual attraction and relationships can be quite easily understood. Women have a base nature that, once you understand the basics, you can use more or less the same approach to them and get mostly the same results. It's a function of how sexually attracted she is to you, which is rooted in her base nature and on a suite of particular attractive male traits (Facial features and appearance, muscular definition, sartorial style, confident attitude, etc.)

BP says that men and women are pretty much the same except for their genitalia. Their minds and brains work exactly the same way. BP says attraction is malleable and flexible -- a woman can be attracted to one type of man at one time; and another type of man at another time. It's all circumstantial.

RP says men and women are fundamentally different - men have a male nature and women have a female nature, and they are largely immutable. They don't change based on circumstance or other factors.

CrazyTom54 · 2016-10-12T17:50:07+00:00

How do the BPers on here distinguish themselves. Where do you still disagree with RPers?

I don't support the emotional abuse and/or manipulation of women in any way whatsoever. I don't believe that women are eeeevil manipulative creatures that constantly prey on men.

The only redpillers I can actually really agree with are the ones on here. The rest on TRP are paranoid children wearing tin foil hats waiting for the day when our feminazi overlords enslave all chads and kill all the other men.

ProbablyBelievesIt · 2016-10-12T16:06:45+00:00

Most BP on here seem to accept common RP ideas like, "looks are what's most important"

Hang on. TRP - the biggest faction of redpill on Reddit, if not the entire internet, and any actual blue pill mean two different things by that. TRP implies they're all that matters, and laughs whenever any of us who are attracted to other things say they'll help improve your score. The redpill in general insists that a narrow spectrum of traditional masculinity - any strain, including toxic - is the only way in which a man can be sexually desirable, beyond your looks.

It can't deal with the fact we're not all into Chad Thundercock, and Stacy "The Flash Flood" LightningSnatch.

Much of the redpill is also painfully ignorant about this kind of thing.

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voteGOPk · 2016-10-12T19:09:33+00:00

Most people in real life outside of internet are "purple" pill.

I don't even think real "blue pill" men or women exist... just people who are disgusted or uneased by red pill ideas who like to argue, hence this place and TBP

SetConsumes · 2016-10-12T15:56:24+00:00

Most bpers want a fair and equal relationship, don't see masculinity and femininity as real and useful, think egalitarianism or feminism are good, do not acknowledge women's negative nature.

SkinnySweaty · 2016-10-12T17:47:41+00:00

Red Pill is always sexist and occasionally misogynistic.

Blue Pill opposes those things when we see them.

Questions?

stonepimpletilists · 2016-10-12T18:10:05+00:00

Tribalism. TBP people, short of the most vile, bitter people, will agree with just about everything, so long as it doesn't come from a TRPer.

They distinguish themselves by not being us, as if we are some unified force, and they are the sarcastic counter.

I could tell you the sun will come up tomorrow, and some blue goof will give a great lawyer speech as to why I'm an asshole

i_have_a_semicolon · 2016-10-12T23:52:20+00:00

Give me one BPer who will Agree with AWALT and the way it's used by RPers.

Tell me if a BPer would ridicule a man who has "oneitis"

Tell me if BPers think men are superior to women.

Tell me if BPers agree with RP on divorce rape, actual rape, feminism, the patriarchy, gynocentrisim, the humongous imbalance in the SMV that hurts the average guy, I could go on...

Those are uniquely RP characteristics. I don't even know how you could write a post like this?

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2016-10-12T16:00:14+00:00

I don't believe that sex can / should be commodified and views through an economic lens.

Invalidity · 2016-10-12T15:42:50+00:00

The difference lies within the approach to women. Core RP philosophy wants to focus primarily on what it can get from a woman, where that may just be sex, a relationship, or something else of value.

What I perceive about BP philosophy, is that interactions with women must preserve their feelings and sensibilities. It's not about what a guy can get from a woman, but how a woman must be treated in all aspects.

So while the two may coincide in beliefs, the approach is very much different.

Title	Is there still a difference between BP and RP anymore?
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Date	October 12, 2016 3:32 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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