24, considering joining the navy. id like the perspective of military guys if possible, though all are welcome.

dr_warlock · 2015-06-15T22:39:00+00:00

How The U.S. Navy Has Become A Global Force For Feminists. I've seen many similar stories across the net from active duty and vets.

edit: Sir I Won't Obey That Order [video; length = 5min 54sec]

TL;DW "You don't have to destroy the weapons, you don't even have to destroy the warriors, all you have to do is create a set of conditions so incompatible with the warrior code [feminist policies] that the warriors simply remove themselves"

[deleted] · 2015-06-15T23:05:52+00:00

Army veteran here. The military is the most SJW influenced orginization I've ever been a part of.

Cis_Masogynist · 2015-06-15T22:46:22+00:00

The Navy is full of feminists, and bluepills. In the 4 years I was in 10 years ago I saw a lot of bullshit. First the Navy is plagued by a perfectionist culture to the point that having a few drinks in town and doing something dumb once is enough to end your career. Women are a whole issue by itself. On the ship it's a 1/10 ratio of girls to guys, so they find the suckers and get them to do all of their work. All women do this. The ones that are boat hot which is HB6.5 to us instantly get picked as assistants for important first classes, Chiefs, and officers. Instantly they will blow and fuck their ways to the best promotions. So all the women that outrank you have slept their way to the top and don't have a clue on how to do the job but suck dick. In the event that they can't sleep their way into a position they will cry rape or assault to get that person removed. Besides that I still keep in contact with some of the best guys I've ever had the privilege of calling brothers and occasionally still get together with some of them.

TheYoungPatriarch · 2015-06-16T14:15:22+00:00

I am an officer in the best Navy. If you do decide to join, use your useless degree in your favor and get a commission as an officer. This way you'll still be forced to live a disciplined lifestyle but you'll earn more, have a better quality of life, and potentially network with folks that can advance your interests outside the Navy. Go to a Blue and Gold officer recruiter, the sooner, the better.

P.S. - It is a super feminist organization, however based on the promotion system it doesn't really affect your career as long as you don't try to bone the help or bone your navy nurse friend. Both can only lead to bad things.

P.P.S.- I see a couple of comments about taking the harder route vice the "cushy" one in order to promote personal growth. That's a load of bullshit. Being an officer will give you managerial and executive experience, not necessarily hard work, but demanding and rewarding experience that directly translates to many profitable endeavors in the long run. Don't take that bait. You have to be goal oriented, and pick the paths which benefit you the most, and get you closer to what you wanted in the first place. If you enlist, you will not be using the earnings potential of your degree for most of (if not your entire) enlistment. Listening to bad advice is stupid. If you are serious of having a springboard to financial independence that will give you experience and focus along the way, but your degree to use and get a commission, it doesn't have to be the navy, just get a commission. Use your time wisely, profitably, and smartly. Your time and youth are you most valuable assets. The sooner you learn this the sooner you'll be moving in the right direction.

Good luck.

BreezeDM · 2015-06-16T14:27:36+00:00

I don’t think you will find what you are looking for in the military. I was Army enlisted for 8 years and served in Iraq. From my view point, officers didn’t have it any better. The military isn't what you think it is, you will only accomplish getting a job you aren't allowed to quit.

goremanbates · 2015-06-16T00:46:01+00:00

This country doesn't give a shit about you as a man so why would you serve the army? You're more disposable. You're more of a statistic.

Go to a job fair and be as friendly as you can. Try to act like you care. Look up jobs online. Take any job you can get and look for a job to replace it. Change your major on your resume. There's a lot you can do. You can't just quit and go to the army.

If you wanna do it though, do it. You're your own man.

mikeburnfire · 2015-06-16T00:19:02+00:00

The military isn't a cure-all solution to being a loser. You only get out what you put in. I signed up because I felt lost and hoped the Marine Corps would give me a sense of purpose (it didn't). But I didn't just put ink to paper and wait for my ship-out date. I ran everyday. I joined a group of recruits and we pre-trained (running, sprinting, pullups, pushups, etc). I ran several miles per week.

In bootcamp, you could tell who actually put effort in, and who just wanted a quick fix. Guys like me could do 5+ pullups and get a decent time on the 5K. Other guys were lazy pieces of shit who couldn't get a passing time on the 5K and couldn't do a damn pullup. Some got out-processed. Many did the bare minimum to pass and everybody hated them. A noble few actually worked their asses off and became respectable.

You want to put your degree to use and get a cushy job? Sure, join the Navy. Become an officer.

You want to challenge yourself? Join the Marine Corps. It's the toughest thing I ever did.

You want independence and financial security? The military pays like shit, and forces you to work with other people you hate. You can't leave the barracks most times and you are legally bound for the terms of your service (4-8 years)

You want to stop being a daddy's boy and have a purpose in life? Fucking do THAT. Leave your house, go to a different state, and carve your own path. Don't expect others to make you a man, and don't expect the government to make you a man. MAKE YOURSELF A MAN.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-06-15T23:17:14+00:00

Back in the Korean War my dad was an officer.

Even back then the politics of being in the military can get distorted. You ever heard the term FUBAR? That's "Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition". That's how the officers thought even then.

Now if the top level men were cynical back in the 1950's imagine what that's going to be like after the SJW's took it over?

A better choice is to actually want to figure out this screwed up Western situation and find other men who will help bring the State down.

Read up on the Overton Window.

You live in a world were everyone is deluded... some more insane, some less insane, but they are all insane. Things continue to degenerate and move left.

Join other Neoreactionaries and break out.

The answer is not external, you need the passion for discipline based on some reality inside you.

BramRhodesDouglas · 2015-06-16T03:08:24+00:00

I'm in almost the exact same situation, man.

At the age of 25 with a history degree I found myself totally disillusioned with my grad school and career choice. I had taken a year off from school to sell cars at a local dealership and that's about when I took the Red Pill. It was in November of last year. After selling cars I decided I would never go back to grad school. I would quit my job and join the military (either Army or Air Force). I felt kind of like I imagine you feel now -- disillusioned and thirsting for a monumental challenge to throw myself at just to see if I could make it to the other side. I wanted to become a man, find a rite of passage, grow and discipline myself. I wanted adventure and purpose. I have a dad who pays for tons of shit too so I really empathize with you there.

I have a buddy who is a green beret who did four tours in Iraq. He's one hell of a man so I talked to him long and hard about military service. I studied and researched and basically talked to everyone I could to see if military was the route to go. I eventually decided not to and here's why. The military is not what I thought it was. My research and interviewing basically told me that the military is fucked right now and going downhill fast because of SJWs. Plus you're stuck for years doing a job with no freedom, little respect, and you might just end up hating what you do. Almost every military man told me to stay away. That right there speaks volumes, bud. My green beret buddy told me only to go into the army if I want to go Special Forces, Ranger, or Delta Force and then only follow through if I want to do that for the rest of my life. Then he told me not to because this country is not worth defending anymore. Damn.

Here's what I decided to do instead of joining the military. I swallowed my pride and moved back home with my parents and got a job as a bouncer while applying for a university job so that I can go back to school and get a degree worth having.

Bouncing pays shit but it's a good ride. I get to learn a lot about holding frame, bar fighting, and making social connections (since it's a huge bar and we literally have thousands come through in a weekend). Plus I'm pulling more tail than a retard in a petting zoo (bouncing pays amazing social proof, I literally have chicks falling into my lap). It's a fun job while I wait for the next phase of my journey.

I honestly wouldn't go man. The military takes away your freedom and sounds ideologically unsatisfying. Everyone I talked to went on and on about what a bureaucratic nightmare the military is. I want to do something fun that has meaning and the military is just becoming another government hell hole.

Do you like the idea of sales? It's tons of fun and teaches you game, holding frame, and Machiavellianism like no other environment I've ever been in. Plus the pay is nice if you put in work. It'll give you something fun and profitable to do while you bide your time and find out what you really want to do.

trphardmode · 2015-06-16T11:54:34+00:00

Search for an old RP thread series titled "RP Careers," there were a few boot-camp-eque careers that provided training, were masculine in the way the military was decades ago, and unlike the military actually paid well. The ones I remember were rope access technician, oil rigger & assorted dakota oil jobs, and wildfire firefighter.

the_sky_is_up · 2015-06-15T22:54:25+00:00

Army guy here, its a nice kick in the ass. It has helped me, and plenty of other people to help motivate and "straighten" out other men. If youre looking for good pay, and easy living, dont do it though. Its tough, more mentally than physically. If you have any specific questions, I would be glad to answer them.

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RedKong · 2015-06-16T03:40:55+00:00

A good buddy of mine joined the Army right after high school. He had always been pretty smart, but he totally lacked motivation before the Army. He played video games, did sports and other activities because his parents made him, got a summer job but only as a means to buy more video games. If he was especially bored he might pull out a pencil and draw once in a while. After basic, the change was pretty dramatic. He seemed to have purpose, he woke up early, he got his work done in a timely fashion, he applied to college and was doing well, and he ran the circumference of our little town a couple times each week. It was cool to see.

But here's the thing......it didn't last. Eventually he stopped going on his runs, stopped getting up early, stopped pursing his new college goals, and just kept himself in good enough shape for the reserves. I'm pretty sure most of his free time is still spent on video games.

I guess my point is that purpose and discipline have to come because you want it for yourself. I think you are past the age where someone else can instill it in you. Saying you want to join the military so that you can become disciplined seems like you are passing the buck onto someone else to make sure you are kept in line. I'm not saying you shouldn't join; I really don't have enough information to say if it's a good career or not. But joining just to make someone else accountable for you won't help you accomplish your goal of becoming an independent adult.

Edit: typos

Semper_I · 2015-06-16T15:52:53+00:00

I was a Marine for 6 years, My mom and dad were also Marines. We literally called Women Marines...WM....Walking Mattresses.

My mom said her Drill Instructors would tell them "Ladies, there are miles of Dick on this Island (Parris Island) but not an inch for you"

A year later I was born...I've even seen the barracks room I was conceived in, romance.

If you want to Jack your SMV to the max, save being rich, do it but it will be an uphill battle if you are at all belligerent like I am. Use them as much as they Use you and plan your escape wisely. If you go abroad (which I highly suggest), Pussy will fall out of the sky but back home beware the Dependapotomus and slutty private, killers of many mens dreams, careers and life.

Also get a MOS that will transition easily back home, fall forward.

TL;DR: Join the Marines, Fuck all the Air Force Girls and Russians, Come back to the land of the big P.X and take over the world.

ChairBorneMGTOW · 2015-06-17T14:28:05+00:00

You don't deserve to be an officer. Your sense of entitlement and laziness is exactly what is wrong with the officer corps. You will carry those character flaws with you and make the lives of your men worse off, even assuming you pass, being such a (self - admitted) molly coddled git. I tell you this as a career Army NCM (Canadian Any, E-8): join as an NCM or forget the idea.

cariboo_j · 2015-06-16T00:37:00+00:00

Go work on an oil rig or become a tree faller if you want a tough job to whip you into shape.

You'll make waay more money. They won't OWN you. You can leave any time you want.

Killing other men who never did anything to you isn't part of the job description.

America sees it's men as disposable utilities. TRP often talks about how divorce laws exploit men.

The way I see it, why risk your life, defend and prop up a society that gives no fucks about you? That presumes you guilty until proven innocent when your legal superior (let's be honest women are currently our legal superiors in the application of laws) accuses you of something. The government you are fighting to protect supports divorce rape and all that fun stuff.

You should check into land surveying. Adventure, tons of time spent outdoors, working with ATVs, chainsaws, helicopters, and full days of hiking. You can make like +$100k with all the overtime and per diems in your first year. You're usually working with 1 or 2 other dudes so there's very little politics. No SJW bullshit or red pill brotherhood for that matter.

There are so many better ways to have a life changing experience and gain independence than joining the military. I'd say go be a roughneck in north Dakota or Alberta or some shit instead. Or stay in town and learn a trade. There's always decent paying work for electricians and welders. You could even start your own business eventually.

I think maintaining complete control over your life is wiser than signing your life away to the military. You are essentially becoming a henchmen. Legally bound to follow the orders of your superiors.

Gigalo_Jones · 2015-06-16T04:07:48+00:00

The military is a great experience, if you go in with your head right. It is easy to get into a child-like mindset there, too. Think about this aspect of it: You get a guaranteed pay check every month, you never worry about rent or food, you have medical and dental covered as well. So even though your check may be small (at first), it is ALL YOURS. You do what you want with it. It is easy to blow it all and party too much. Be aware of that.

If you want to get the most out of your time, apply yourself to the fullest! It is no different there than it is out in the civilian world. The best get recognized and trusted to do a job and they are rewarded in the military. You can advance quickly, learn a great set of skills and learn to apply all your red pill knowledge in a environment that still values that kind of thing (Although that is fading fast these days).

I pissed my time away when I was in, but I still did well and learned a lot. I can only imagine if I had really applied myself to the fullest, where my life might be right now...

Brewjo · 2015-06-16T16:47:37+00:00

Well, as a redpill man- I'd be avoiding the situation of answering to President H. Clinton.

herknav · 2015-06-16T17:53:42+00:00

i feel i need a serious reorientation and ass kicking

im not considering enlistment whatsoever. its OFFICER OR GTFO

9 year Air Force officer here, and I'm not sure these statements are compatible. Nobody is going to kick your ass or reorient you during officer training, or while serving; it's all about self-dicipline and self-motivation.

You are always being evaluated against your peers, and if you're lucky your supervisor (or other mentor figure) will give you timely/honest feedback and an opportunity to improve. More likely - if you're anything other than type-A-all-the-way, you'll be evaluated poorly among your peers and encouraged to either separate early or let the competitive "up-or-out" promotion system force you out.

I don't mean to discourage you: honorable service (enlisted or commissioned) is something to be proud of, even if you don't stand out. But I don't expect it's the right place to find what you're looking for.

Surf_Or_Die · 2015-06-16T18:12:55+00:00

US foreign policy is so fucked that nobody should join. The assholes in Washington have zero interest in protecting america. They are ruining the country and I wouldn't encourage anyone to go die for their bullshit reasons.

Im_not_lonely · 2015-06-16T20:35:26+00:00

I loved it. Find a position that requires a clearance, you can find some good work outside the military with a TS clearance.

Or go for something you are interested in (media, pr, humanitarian aid) Its a great opportunity. Dont join willy nilly, really sit down and explore the opportunities you want to explore. They will make you jump through some hoops to get in though so dont expect an instant hire.

I did enlisted airforce, if I had to do it over I would do Coast Guard/Navy or officer in the air force.

Good times, have fun, save money, DONT GET MARRIED.

rivoltacontro · 2015-06-15T23:07:44+00:00

Army vet here. Dropped out of Law School in 2009 to join the infantry as an enlisted soldier. Best decision I ever made. The infantry is still all-male despite the attempts of the SJW's to make it otherwise. I recommend the combat arms and the enlisted side highly. You can become an officer after you've embraced the suck with the grunts.

AFPJ · 2015-06-16T13:14:08+00:00

Unless your PT scores (and genetics) are the shit of legend, 24 is too old to make it into special ops.

If you can't go in as an Officer into some kind of STEM related position, you're better off not doing it.

Booksarefun666 · 2015-06-16T00:37:31+00:00

My grandfather was drafted in 'nam and he would constantly tell me stories of how ineffective the chain of command can be and he even did some rule bending with the aid of other paper pushers to do his job all the more better.

It made it sound like a giant bureaucracy and it probably is, so that's something you may want to consider.

NoMoBluepill · 2015-06-16T02:00:51+00:00

A lot of enlisted guys replying which will give you a skewed perspective - a lot of those guys won't have much good to say because many did rather menial work for four years and got out. As an o, it def helps your SMV. That said, your gpa is pretty junky to try to put together an officer package. Try to get some leadership positions in or out of work to pad your application.

greatmikeshark · 2015-06-16T02:07:17+00:00

six year Marine vet here. I would advice you not to join the navy. Most the the navy personal I have seen and worked with are overweight and and depended monsters for a wife (A person who is after you government benefits and paycheck. If you do join the military, go in as an officer. I made the mistake of going in as enlisted and I was treated like shit by officers and higher ranking enlisted men.

this_guy2001 · 2015-06-16T02:50:28+00:00

Go officer. Yeah, pride, blah blah blah. You can work on yourself while living a decent lifestyle.

You will gain life experience while serving and have ladies throwing themselves at you.

red_gerb · 2015-06-16T03:38:07+00:00

My brother was an enlisted man. Don't believe the recruiters. The situation worked out in the end.

If you have the time, read the book http://www.amazon.com/Its-Your-Ship-Management-Techniques/dp/1594831963 If you can wade through the business mumbo-jumo, the type of Captain you have, can make a helluva difference. -Good Luck.

Snakehips0815 · 2015-06-16T15:14:03+00:00

Coast Guard here. It's not an easy life. If you enlist once you've attended A school, if you prove you're worth a damn you can be granted some serious responsibility. As an officer you have the potential to be in charge of your own ship as a Junior member. We're a small service, if you develop a bad rep news will travel fast. If you're awesome it will benefit you forever. I have friends I've met through the CG I'll be networking with for a job after I get out. Furthermore, don't get married. The military is no place for marriage.

narazz · 2015-06-16T18:20:58+00:00

i was in the navy for 2 months. honestly my experience was pretty bad as i wasnt cut out for it and injured myself. they also never even paid me for the 2 months i was there lol. was about 10 years ago though and was like fuck it, im just pushing that behind me. :)

NiceTryDisaster · 2015-06-16T19:52:30+00:00

Do not join the army, navy or airforce. It's a no-brainer.

Dr_HoaxArthurWilmoth · 2015-06-17T09:00:57+00:00

If your game, frame, physique and looks were actually all honed - you would not need to post this nonsense on this forum.

OFFICER OR GTFO? You want a commission pussy boy? That is an 8 year commitment away from daddy's house.

Army and Marines will give you the option of 2 year enlistments, is what you most likely need.

You could have had a taste of the military in ROTC at college, but that ship has sailed.

Start with getting a job and moving out of the house that your Beta daddy provides you with, then get back to us.

Squeezymypenisy · 2015-06-17T16:29:24+00:00

If you want a new degree then go back to school. You say you have daddy's money so use it. Get a stem degree or something else marketable. Or get the prerequisites and go to grad school. Don't waste your time in the military. With money you have you can rectify your past mistakes.

OutHereGettingIt · 2015-06-18T00:59:27+00:00

Why join the army get told what to do and harm innocent people? Improve your life in the outside world, for yourself. Not anyone else.

sorrytoolat · 2015-06-20T03:14:28+00:00

I was in the NAVY for 6 years enlisted. Before I went in I got a CHEE degree and about a 2.9GPA and didn't get a job out of college. Ended up enlisting because the recruiter said it would be easier to become an officer when I got in. Not the case. Anyway I was a nuke mechanic and on a submarine out of Hawaii. Almost never dealt with women my entire time in. I hated my job but was pretty good at it and was the boss for a while before I got out as E-6. Been out six years now and last year I made about 150k working at a power plant. Not the most fun I have had in my life but it set me up pretty well out here. As for the officers it seemed that they never got any sleep. Probably better for the career though.

slcjosh · 2015-06-15T23:46:35+00:00

Is suggest taking your position and using it to your advantage. Don't join the military just because you feel like a dependant. That is a pretty nuts knee jerk reaction.

Find something you truly give a fuck about and pursue the shit out of it. Start a business. Learn a skill. Find something you like and go balls deep.

manazoni1989 · 2015-06-16T02:52:55+00:00

If you are looking for a RedPill group of men, pick combat arms. Preferably those that don't allow women. A Rifle platoon for the Marines and Army are a solid place to start. You will not earn much but you will learn to carry yourself and become more confident. Fitness is of the utmost importance to the combat arms. So you will get confident, get strong, and become highly disciplined.

agse10 · 2015-06-16T13:57:23+00:00

As someone In the Military, don't join the Military.

pha111 · 2015-06-18T16:17:00+00:00

You're beyond help. You want to get your ass kicked but you want to go the officer route? Good luck with that self-improvement, bro.

AwwChrist · 2015-06-26T17:10:03+00:00

I know this post is old and will get buried, but I'll put my two cents in. This has nothing to do with the Navy, unless you're gonna be a Naval Special Warfare. I spent the last six years at a Special Forces Battalion where generally you have to exhibit at least a modicum of alpha behavior in order to be respected. After that, you have to prove you know your job. You develop good manly traits in this environment. There are seldom any females to worry about so you concentrate on yourself and your team. This is all changing of course, as they recently pushed out a policy that females WILL be assigned to SOF units. It's fucking stupid. I have seen first hand what a sprinkling of females will do to a SOF unit in Afghanistan. There is so much fucking white knighting and batting of eyelashes to get their way it's not even funny. I've seen solid NCOs fired because they pointed out bad decisions by female leadership and weren't swayed by a pair of tits. Hell, one female lieutenant went so far as to move every combat controller in our AO around so that she could fuck one of them at her location. Now is not the time to join. It will get worse before it gets better. Let the experiment run its course.

Chinkibus · 2015-06-16T02:12:30+00:00

What about becoming a police officer? Military is very sjw (ie shitty)

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